Tire changing fees.... crooks!

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4/15/2023 9:13pm
SrfNdirt wrote:
I just dropped $550 on suspension service. No valving,  no springs, just basic oil and seals along with shock service. I am kind of errked but...

I just dropped $550 on suspension service. No valving,  no springs, just basic oil and seals along with shock service. I am kind of errked but I guess that's the going retail rate. 

On or off the bike ?

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walent215
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4/16/2023 3:15am

Ya , that’s definitely a pricey service !

However if the forks needed all new bushings and the shock needed a bumper and bladder etc then I could see how that situation could have driven the price up as well . 

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4/16/2023 3:51pm
JK BRO wrote:
It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll...

It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll do.

I will say that working at Big O in my youth we were given 1.5hrs of shop time for 4 passenger tires with mount/balance. I find it hard to believe it takes a dirt bike shop .5hrs to change a tire on a unmounted wheel.

Then don't complain when you can't buy shit at your local shop anymore because they folded up.

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4/16/2023 4:49pm
JK BRO wrote:
I'm not one to rant about prices but I went to my local shop yesterday in Chico, CA and got a tire changed. It cost me...

I'm not one to rant about prices but I went to my local shop yesterday in Chico, CA and got a tire changed. It cost me $42.50 for a single fkn tire change. He said they would drop $10 if I bought the tire there but I had my own tire.

Meaningless to say I purchase a new TC250 at the same shop a couple years back and usually bring them my business but man this gave me a bad vibe.

Is this the standard pricing now or am I getting hosed?

Do really think dealers should give you a break on mounting a tire you bought from another source. THATS FUNNY

 

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500 Mike
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4/16/2023 4:55pm

How about guys getting out of the sport or not even getting started with it because it’s gotten too freaking expensive!

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PB729
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4/16/2023 6:12pm
neverwas wrote:

Many tools out there to make the job easier and if you change a lot of tires / tubes, it's worth the money spent.

https://www.bajanopinch.com/

https://rabaconda.com/

I have that no pinch tool. Worth every penny. I change tires more often now because I don't dread it so much. 

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4/16/2023 6:24pm
JK BRO wrote:
It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll...

It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll do.

I will say that working at Big O in my youth we were given 1.5hrs of shop time for 4 passenger tires with mount/balance. I find it hard to believe it takes a dirt bike shop .5hrs to change a tire on a unmounted wheel.

Then don't complain when you can't buy shit at your local shop anymore because they folded up.

He clearly did support his local dealer, he simply asked if he was getting ripped off. My local dealer wants $48.00 more for a rear tire than I can buy one on line for. I don't blame them for charging that if that's what they need, but I am not paying that much more. They used to be about $10.00 more than I could buy for on line, and mounted them for $25.00 (if you bought them at the shop). I supported them then. When the prices went up $38.00 a tire, I started buying tires on line. I don't mind paying a little more to support my local dealer, but not that much more.

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4/17/2023 7:39am

I understand the frustration with pricing, but don't forget how lucky you are to even have a local shop.  So many of them are closing because they can't afford to stay in business, so unless you would rather be forced to mount your own tires 100% of the time, support your local businesses with a smile and direct the frustration at our economy and administration instead. 

I would pay a $100 a tire to get them mounted by someone else and avoid having to endure my husband's wrath for two hours, but we don't have a local shop.  Our 4-year-old has learned some words we can't unteach her thanks to tubeless rear trials tires.  Oh, what I would pay...

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4/17/2023 8:21am
JK BRO wrote:
It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll...

It looks like most agree with this price so I'm not going to argue that. I can just take my business elsewhere which is what I'll do.

I will say that working at Big O in my youth we were given 1.5hrs of shop time for 4 passenger tires with mount/balance. I find it hard to believe it takes a dirt bike shop .5hrs to change a tire on a unmounted wheel.

Then don't complain when you can't buy shit at your local shop anymore because they folded up.

Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard to continue supporting them when you have to drive 20-30 minutes one way to get there and still have to order most of the parts you need anyways and then you have to drive back when it all finally comes in compared to just ordering it online and have it delivered directly to me within 2 days. I don’t mind paying a couple extra dollars to a local shop at all, but when it costs me extra time and gas for multiple trips because they refuse to drop ship to me, I tend to do what’s best for my time and money. 

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4/17/2023 8:56am
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Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard...

Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard to continue supporting them when you have to drive 20-30 minutes one way to get there and still have to order most of the parts you need anyways and then you have to drive back when it all finally comes in compared to just ordering it online and have it delivered directly to me within 2 days. I don’t mind paying a couple extra dollars to a local shop at all, but when it costs me extra time and gas for multiple trips because they refuse to drop ship to me, I tend to do what’s best for my time and money. 

This. 
 

I shouldn’t be driving all over town from shop to shop looking for a spark plug. 

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4/17/2023 10:22am

If you have a rare dealership in your area that is involved with moto, support them.

What I've learned is that most dealerships actually don't give a fuck about dirt bikes/motocross. They want people to come in not knowing anything about off-road, buy a loaded Can-Am/RZR for $40k @ 18% interest, then finance wheels/tires, stereo, lights etc.

When a seasoned rider/racer goes to a dealership to purchase a bike and they try to apply the same tactics (over MSRP, doc fee's, $1k "destination charge", etc.) we freak out and go elsewhere. 

Most dealerships don't stock even the universal basics for moto - most I've been to recently don't carry folding loading ramps, stands, good quality gas cans, tie-downs, tubes etc. 

Most dealerships can burn, IMO. They're not ran by enthusiasts anymore. 

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4/17/2023 11:05am

Here's the thing. As I read about the complaints of the local shops being too high for parts and services, I feel pretty damn lucky to have a local dealer who does treat me right on things and gets as close as they can to the online price market and still make a profit.

I believe if more people used their local shops since more business creates more profit for them then may, just maybe, they would come down on their price mark up since they feel secure in their sales. Ever since the internet and the big online stores like Rocky Mountain & Motosport came a long there has been a BIG void in enthusiast going out to their local shops which is understandable.

My question is never answered until it's too late for the little guys. What happens when all of the little guys are gone, and the big online stores decide to mark up to whatever they want since there is no local competition that they have to compete with??

 

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4/17/2023 11:29am
BBA wrote:
Here's the thing. As I read about the complaints of the local shops being too high for parts and services, I feel pretty damn lucky to...

Here's the thing. As I read about the complaints of the local shops being too high for parts and services, I feel pretty damn lucky to have a local dealer who does treat me right on things and gets as close as they can to the online price market and still make a profit.

I believe if more people used their local shops since more business creates more profit for them then may, just maybe, they would come down on their price mark up since they feel secure in their sales. Ever since the internet and the big online stores like Rocky Mountain & Motosport came a long there has been a BIG void in enthusiast going out to their local shops which is understandable.

My question is never answered until it's too late for the little guys. What happens when all of the little guys are gone, and the big online stores decide to mark up to whatever they want since there is no local competition that they have to compete with??

 

The big online guys will always have to compete with each other...so, their would still be competition in the market place and that competition would keep prices down.

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4/18/2023 12:44pm
We almost quit doing tires on wheels all together if it wasn't in for another service due to customers with your mindset.  "Not a fan of...

We almost quit doing tires on wheels all together if it wasn't in for another service due to customers with your mindset. 

"Not a fan of the price? No worries we have a sale on spoons in parts, grab 2 tubes while you're at it."

Falcon wrote:

*4 tubes.

Usually after the second pinched tube .4 hrs doesn't sound too crazy and we do it Silly

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4/18/2023 12:48pm
Kyle978 wrote:
If you have a rare dealership in your area that is involved with moto, support them. What I've learned is that most dealerships actually don't give...

If you have a rare dealership in your area that is involved with moto, support them.

What I've learned is that most dealerships actually don't give a fuck about dirt bikes/motocross. They want people to come in not knowing anything about off-road, buy a loaded Can-Am/RZR for $40k @ 18% interest, then finance wheels/tires, stereo, lights etc.

When a seasoned rider/racer goes to a dealership to purchase a bike and they try to apply the same tactics (over MSRP, doc fee's, $1k "destination charge", etc.) we freak out and go elsewhere. 

Most dealerships don't stock even the universal basics for moto - most I've been to recently don't carry folding loading ramps, stands, good quality gas cans, tie-downs, tubes etc. 

Most dealerships can burn, IMO. They're not ran by enthusiasts anymore. 

of our small crew I think about 90% ride moto purely, some sled too. 

It seems to be breath of fresh air to customers when the shop is excited to help with builds and general assistance with bike work etc. 

We live and breathe moto, and sell the rest, like that stuff to, but if you want a bike fitted up for your woods or moto riding thats where we really tailor in,

always keeping race gas, levers, cans, cables, chains, sprockets etc around in case

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4/18/2023 1:06pm

I hate (I don't use that word often, usually associated with plumbing) changing tires. If that's the price, that's the price.

I'll take it to the dealer and have them mount the tires. If it's late night stuff and I have to do it, I'll do it and swear up a storm.

Barring that, it's off to the dealer.

TM

4/18/2023 1:15pm
Longleaf wrote:
I understand the frustration with pricing, but don't forget how lucky you are to even have a local shop.  So many of them are closing because...

I understand the frustration with pricing, but don't forget how lucky you are to even have a local shop.  So many of them are closing because they can't afford to stay in business, so unless you would rather be forced to mount your own tires 100% of the time, support your local businesses with a smile and direct the frustration at our economy and administration instead. 

I would pay a $100 a tire to get them mounted by someone else and avoid having to endure my husband's wrath for two hours, but we don't have a local shop.  Our 4-year-old has learned some words we can't unteach her thanks to tubeless rear trials tires.  Oh, what I would pay...

Brick-and-mortar motorcycle shops have been struggling since WAY before our current "administration". Literally 0 connection but go off. Hell they were struggling before the last administration took office. Brick and mortar shops haven't been a viable business in this industry since like 2010. 

It is hard to beat Motosport and RMATV prices with free shipping to your door and if you have been around this sport a while (and know how to change a tire, etc) there isn't much use for these shops. Would be nice to have a local dude that did top ends, etc that didn't charge an arm and a leg but it is what it is. 

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4/18/2023 1:26pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard...

Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard to continue supporting them when you have to drive 20-30 minutes one way to get there and still have to order most of the parts you need anyways and then you have to drive back when it all finally comes in compared to just ordering it online and have it delivered directly to me within 2 days. I don’t mind paying a couple extra dollars to a local shop at all, but when it costs me extra time and gas for multiple trips because they refuse to drop ship to me, I tend to do what’s best for my time and money. 

And when they are only open until 5 or 6, it is so hard to make it there after work with traffic. Im sure there is a reason they are not open later but its too hard to make it to the shop before they close. 

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JK BRO
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7 pages, nice.

 

To sum it up:

- Local shops are struggling.

- If you pay to have your tire changed, you can't ride worth a shit

- If you pay to have your tire changed, you lack the mechanical ability to change your own tires.

- 99.99763% of vital members can change a dirt bike tire in the blink of an eye, with screwdrivers and butter knifes, while double fisting white claws.

 

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4/18/2023 1:38pm

Another reason I like to buy local...in my neck of the woods, if you buy the tire at the shop, they will take the old tire off and install the new one for free (as long as it isn't a Tubliss or moose). And no...the shops don't charge full retail on the tires either. Usually within a few bucks of online pricing. Best of both worlds. Only time I need to break out the irons now is for a flat at the track.

 

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4/18/2023 3:02pm
mattyhamz2 wrote:
Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard...

Half the time the local shops have to order the stuff we need anyways. I want local shops to be around and be successful. It’s hard to continue supporting them when you have to drive 20-30 minutes one way to get there and still have to order most of the parts you need anyways and then you have to drive back when it all finally comes in compared to just ordering it online and have it delivered directly to me within 2 days. I don’t mind paying a couple extra dollars to a local shop at all, but when it costs me extra time and gas for multiple trips because they refuse to drop ship to me, I tend to do what’s best for my time and money. 

When I could ride and the kids were kids riding with me, the local KTM shop was notoriously not a deal shop, but they always had parts I needed.  There is nothing quite like the dealer supporting you by having parts on a Saturday you need for a Sunday.  I gladly supported them.   Another dealer friend for other brands just offers terrific service and going to the shop has a great vibe.  

The local Honda shop stocked nothing and ordered to the desk, marked up 20% over retail, for me to pick up.  Often with a sneer.  I happily ordered at discount from Service Honda, and often got the parts before I would have had I gone to the shop.  It's okay to chase good customer service, which has a lot of qualities apart from price.

Shops used to be the chat rooms of moto, real social hubs.  Seems now more like malls than corner stores unless you're lucky to have a good team in your locale.

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4/18/2023 3:20pm

A mate had a tyre recently installed for $25 AUD which is a pretty fair price. Get the 14 year old onto it. A bit of profit there for the dealer. With that said, with the right tools and knowledge it is possible to change them quite easily. The time it takes to go down to the dealer, wait, and hope it isn't messed up is worth it for me to do it myself. Getting dealers to do tyres always left me having to replace tubes later on anyway. Doing it myself works out to be less work in the long run.

With that said, I find MX dealers to be quite rude most of the time. Obviously their biggest margins are on bikes but once they know you're just in for parts, I'm old news. Also, ordering parts is so slow and arduous. No idea why these dealers don't just have online portals for at least ordering! Happy to drop in and pick up. I find the larger shops (MX Store, AMA Warehouse) in Australia are so much easier to deal with. The only reason I go to the Honda shop is for Honda oils and occasionally some gear or something I need in short supply. The whole thing reminds me of taxi's vs Uber.. the dealers have had ample opportunity to pivot their businesses to online.

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4/18/2023 6:19pm

I’m happy paying the money to a dealer to change my tires. I’ve got way too much going on in life to change my tires/risk pinching a tube. Actually the last time I went to change a tire I pinched the tube, it was a Saturday night, and it ruined my chances of riding that Sunday. 
 

Take my money.

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90srider
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4/18/2023 7:13pm

My local shop would install new tires with purchase.

Back in the mini days it tires would cost $35. Whenever we got a flat we would just get a new tire. Maybe once a year.

But for full size bike I would leave the tire in the car to warm up before attacking with tire irons.

It's been awhile but always worth a try.

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4/18/2023 8:05pm
A mate had a tyre recently installed for $25 AUD which is a pretty fair price. Get the 14 year old onto it. A bit of...

A mate had a tyre recently installed for $25 AUD which is a pretty fair price. Get the 14 year old onto it. A bit of profit there for the dealer. With that said, with the right tools and knowledge it is possible to change them quite easily. The time it takes to go down to the dealer, wait, and hope it isn't messed up is worth it for me to do it myself. Getting dealers to do tyres always left me having to replace tubes later on anyway. Doing it myself works out to be less work in the long run.

With that said, I find MX dealers to be quite rude most of the time. Obviously their biggest margins are on bikes but once they know you're just in for parts, I'm old news. Also, ordering parts is so slow and arduous. No idea why these dealers don't just have online portals for at least ordering! Happy to drop in and pick up. I find the larger shops (MX Store, AMA Warehouse) in Australia are so much easier to deal with. The only reason I go to the Honda shop is for Honda oils and occasionally some gear or something I need in short supply. The whole thing reminds me of taxi's vs Uber.. the dealers have had ample opportunity to pivot their businesses to online.

Actually by far the lowest margin is the bike itself for dealers.  

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4/18/2023 8:50pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2023 8:51pm
JK BRO wrote:
7 pages, nice.   To sum it up: - Local shops are struggling. - If you pay to have your tire changed, you can't ride worth...

7 pages, nice.

 

To sum it up:

- Local shops are struggling.

- If you pay to have your tire changed, you can't ride worth a shit

- If you pay to have your tire changed, you lack the mechanical ability to change your own tires.

- 99.99763% of vital members can change a dirt bike tire in the blink of an eye, with screwdrivers and butter knifes, while double fisting white claws.

 

To sum it up: you would not have got flamed so bad if you hadn't called your dealer a crook.Sad Yep the dealer charged you for the work so he must be a crook. 

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4/19/2023 5:03am
bonseff wrote:

Doesn't seem outrageous to me. Invest in tire irons, maybe?

This vid is fantastic, and cracked me up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XftXThgerC4

Boy's got a beauty bull Elk rack on the wall... 

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