2024 Silly Season

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Beta will have a single digit rider in 2024, if the bike works on a supercross track.

ML512 wrote:

#2 Nope.

#3 Nope.

#4 Retired.

#5 Retired.

#7 Nope.

#9 Nope.

You forgot #6

Nope.

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Beta will have a single digit rider in 2024, if the bike works on a supercross track.

ML512 wrote:

#2 Nope.

#3 Nope.

#4 Retired.

#5 Retired.

#7 Nope.

#9 Nope.

Which means 4, 5 & 6 are all possible 🤨

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Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

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Optimism of a Beta factory team gets squished when Johnny Walker takes 2nd in super enduro on an enduro brand and is his own mechanic, and...

Optimism of a Beta factory team gets squished when Johnny Walker takes 2nd in super enduro on an enduro brand and is his own mechanic, and team manager 

It def is weird, watching his vlogs gets me puzzled as the odd time he will have a mechanic, no idea where they come from.

But need to remember enduro guys need to know how to adjust/ service bike, ie jetting, tyre changes, etc 

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BESTY #72 wrote:
Any news on the big moves?  Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet?  Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and...

Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

I think Steve said on pulp this week that Malcolm re-signed

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BESTY #72 wrote:
Any news on the big moves?  Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet?  Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and...

Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are,

1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires

2. Kawasaki if they truly let Anderson go

3. Triumph for huge money on their ghost bike

4. Nascar truck series with huge Monster support

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BESTY #72 wrote:
Any news on the big moves?  Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet?  Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and...

Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

neysbo wrote:
I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are, 1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires 2. Kawasaki...

I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are,

1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires

2. Kawasaki if they truly let Anderson go

3. Triumph for huge money on their ghost bike

4. Nascar truck series with huge Monster support

Sexton to KTM was 'the' rumour, I wasn't sure if he'd signed the dotted line just yet and as said, with Webb riding how he is and Chase still hitting the deck every week, perhaps KTM have reconsidered..

I think Eli is still doing SX 2024 - if he isn't, this could be where Webb ends up - not Chase.

Kawi are behind the curveball at the top, so they could maybe go after Chase with big bucks and Monster could also support this.

As said 1000x Triumph won't have the 450 ready til 2025.

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BESTY #72 wrote:
Any news on the big moves?  Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet?  Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and...

Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

neysbo wrote:
I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are, 1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires 2. Kawasaki...

I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are,

1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires

2. Kawasaki if they truly let Anderson go

3. Triumph for huge money on their ghost bike

4. Nascar truck series with huge Monster support

Doesn't matter, he's not locked down with Monster for next year. Red Bull KTM is the most likely destination for the #23.

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BESTY #72 wrote:
Any news on the big moves?  Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet?  Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and...

Any news on the big moves? 

Has Chase actually signed with KTM yet? 

Right now, I can foresee Webb staying put, Eli doing SX only and with Jett stepping up and Chase not wanting to be second fiddle to any of the mentioned riders, where does he go? 

Husky? Could his 'talks' with the KTM group lead to him jumping into Malcoms spot? 

Kawi? I hear they don't want to re-sign El Hombre and with Chases Monster deal along with the new 450 coming in, will Kawi want a high profile rider? - Sorry AC.

El Hombre could do a Supercross season on the Honda, before sitting outdoors out to get the Triumph 450 ready?

neysbo wrote:
I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are, 1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires 2. Kawasaki...

I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are,

1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires

2. Kawasaki if they truly let Anderson go

3. Triumph for huge money on their ghost bike

4. Nascar truck series with huge Monster support

ML512 wrote:

Doesn't matter, he's not locked down with Monster for next year. Red Bull KTM is the most likely destination for the #23.

The constant wrecking has to be hurting Chase's value, it does make the bike he rides look bad. He might even lose third in the championship at this point, the way competitors behind him in points are riding. Eventually you would think one of these wrecks would injure him, certainly he wrecks during the week as well.

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neysbo wrote:
I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are, 1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires 2. Kawasaki...

I doubt Sexton has signed anything yet, KTM is Redbull so he will stay Monster, so options are,

1. Star Yamaha if Eli retires

2. Kawasaki if they truly let Anderson go

3. Triumph for huge money on their ghost bike

4. Nascar truck series with huge Monster support

ML512 wrote:

Doesn't matter, he's not locked down with Monster for next year. Red Bull KTM is the most likely destination for the #23.

Spoonguy wrote:
The constant wrecking has to be hurting Chase's value, it does make the bike he rides look bad. He might even lose third in the championship...

The constant wrecking has to be hurting Chase's value, it does make the bike he rides look bad. He might even lose third in the championship at this point, the way competitors behind him in points are riding. Eventually you would think one of these wrecks would injure him, certainly he wrecks during the week as well.

You can’t hurt your value on a signed contract. 

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UpTiTe wrote:

You can’t hurt your value on a signed contract. 

Sure you can.  

"Never sign a contract without knowing how you can get out of it..."

-Rodney Sacks, CEO, MON$TER Bev.

Rodney's sage advice has become one of my core business tenets. 

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ML512 wrote:
I know multiple people that have been on the bike and very recently at that. They've got a very tight grip on their NDA situation and...

I know multiple people that have been on the bike and very recently at that. They've got a very tight grip on their NDA situation and testing locations. We'll be seeing it in just a few months.

That's good to hear. I'm curious to see what its all about.

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I don't think you understand that Forkner will go faster & fall down harder on a 450. I hope he figures out how to stay off...

I don't think you understand that Forkner will go faster & fall down harder on a 450. I hope he figures out how to stay off of the ground before he graduates to the big show, because he hasn't figured it out on the 250's yet. Sorry, but if you think he'll "beat those guys without even breaking a sweat"...you are deceived greatly!

TKLEVEN wrote:

some time riders will do better on a 450 as its less high revving and “calmer”. They’re pro riders they can handle the extra hp

I don’t think the “calmness” of the 450 vs.250, and the lower rev will necessarily be the key for Forkner’s newfound success. I think his proclivity for hitting the deck has a lot more to do with him than with the displacement of his PC Kawasaki. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rider get over being a crasher simply by stepping up to a bigger bike. 
 

Feel free to prove me wrong.

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IMG 4973

 
Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

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davistld01 wrote:
I don’t think the “calmness” of the 450 vs.250, and the lower rev will necessarily be the key for Forkner’s newfound success. I think his proclivity...

I don’t think the “calmness” of the 450 vs.250, and the lower rev will necessarily be the key for Forkner’s newfound success. I think his proclivity for hitting the deck has a lot more to do with him than with the displacement of his PC Kawasaki. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rider get over being a crasher simply by stepping up to a bigger bike. 
 

Feel free to prove me wrong.

I think Forkners biggest problem is he always breaks when he hits the ground. Some riders are like that. Too bad as he can be super fast.

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I don't think Eli will be racing anything next year. Hope I am wrong though.

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  Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

IMG 4973

 
Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see Mosiman getting a PC ride and those 2 riders swapping. Where does that leave Vohland if Kitchen takes his spot? 

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  Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

IMG 4973

 
Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

stremme12 wrote:
Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see...

Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see Mosiman getting a PC ride and those 2 riders swapping. Where does that leave Vohland if Kitchen takes his spot? 

Mosiman is rumored for Triumph. 

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  Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

IMG 4973

 
Crazy if all of these end up being true. Bam resigning with gas gas is kind of expected though. 

stremme12 wrote:
Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see...

Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see Mosiman getting a PC ride and those 2 riders swapping. Where does that leave Vohland if Kitchen takes his spot? 

Mosiman is rumored for Triumph. 

That makes sense.

 

Does Lucas represent Ryder, Vohland as well as Shimoda? It would be interesting if this plays out and Lucas takes 2 riders away from Mitch to 2 other factory teams. I just don't see Vohland getting a PC ride either. I could be wrong. I would give a guy like Lopes a chance before Vohland. 

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Sounds like Webb's landing spot is down to staying at KTM or moving to Star if Eli does retire.

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Sounds like Webb's landing spot is down to staying at KTM or moving to Star if Eli does retire.

Coop will do well at either team, and on either bike. I personally think Eli will call it a career after 2023...and Coop will sign with Star.

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Shimoda to Honda has me a little curious, since it doesn't seem it will have a 450 future in it unless Hunter leaves.

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Sounds like Webb's landing spot is down to staying at KTM or moving to Star if Eli does retire.

davistld01 wrote:
Coop will do well at either team, and on either bike. I personally think Eli will call it a career after 2023...and Coop will sign with...

Coop will do well at either team, and on either bike. I personally think Eli will call it a career after 2023...and Coop will sign with Star.

That's what I'm thinking too.

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davis224 wrote:

Shimoda to Honda has me a little curious, since it doesn't seem it will have a 450 future in it unless Hunter leaves.

If that comes to pass Honda can field 3 bikes. But currently Shimoda is several season away from that. Minimum 2 if were to win a 250SX title next season. So 2026 is the first year it is a concern. Was a Honda rider coming up. And Honda loves signing Japanese racers in any level of racing, car or bike

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davis224 wrote:

Shimoda to Honda has me a little curious, since it doesn't seem it will have a 450 future in it unless Hunter leaves.

💵 

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Shimoda leaving PC would be another huge blow for Mitch. Highest potential rider he has right now imo.

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Shimoda to HRC would make Honda such a power house team..

id love nothing more than HRC to snatch Shimoda

 

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stremme12 wrote:
Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see...

Shimoda to Honda makes since because of his agent. I wonder if the Ryder D to GasGas would put Mosiman without a ride? I could see Mosiman getting a PC ride and those 2 riders swapping. Where does that leave Vohland if Kitchen takes his spot? 

Mosiman is rumored for Triumph. 

stremme12 wrote:
That makes sense.   Does Lucas represent Ryder, Vohland as well as Shimoda? It would be interesting if this plays out and Lucas takes 2 riders...

That makes sense.

 

Does Lucas represent Ryder, Vohland as well as Shimoda? It would be interesting if this plays out and Lucas takes 2 riders away from Mitch to 2 other factory teams. I just don't see Vohland getting a PC ride either. I could be wrong. I would give a guy like Lopes a chance before Vohland. 

Problem is Lopes doesn’t want to ride outdoors and PC is going to want you to race outdoors. Vohland has a ton of outdoor talent and has been improving SX. I would think he would offer more value than Lopes, although Lopes has to be one of the most improved SX riders this year

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Markus422 wrote:

Shimoda leaving PC would be another huge blow for Mitch. Highest potential rider he has right now imo.

They have a lot of high potential riders right now but I agree, huge blow for PC. If I were kawi, I’d kick some extra dough Jo’s way and keep him around. Something tells me he’s going to be a very good 450 rider. 

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Mosiman is rumored for Triumph. 

stremme12 wrote:
That makes sense.   Does Lucas represent Ryder, Vohland as well as Shimoda? It would be interesting if this plays out and Lucas takes 2 riders...

That makes sense.

 

Does Lucas represent Ryder, Vohland as well as Shimoda? It would be interesting if this plays out and Lucas takes 2 riders away from Mitch to 2 other factory teams. I just don't see Vohland getting a PC ride either. I could be wrong. I would give a guy like Lopes a chance before Vohland. 

yak651 wrote:
Problem is Lopes doesn’t want to ride outdoors and PC is going to want you to race outdoors. Vohland has a ton of outdoor talent and...

Problem is Lopes doesn’t want to ride outdoors and PC is going to want you to race outdoors. Vohland has a ton of outdoor talent and has been improving SX. I would think he would offer more value than Lopes, although Lopes has to be one of the most improved SX riders this year

Vohland is in his 3rd season as a factory rider and hasn't gotten better than 5th in SX. 

 

Lopes has never had a factory ride and has better SX results than Max. 

 

You're saying Lopes doesn't want to race MX? Or do you actually mean he hasn't been contracted to race MX?

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