Bad look for Christian Craig

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3/8/2023 7:01am
UpTiTe wrote:
Another thing, we bitch about how we don’t have an inside look into the riders lives, they start a vlog and we bitch about how they...

Another thing, we bitch about how we don’t have an inside look into the riders lives, they start a vlog and we bitch about how they should be training instead of vlogging. 

Christians vlog is just for race day though. He doesn't film any of his training during the week. Give it a watch and you'll see. 

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3/8/2023 7:03am

So you watched exactly one of the Craig family vlogs. Well case closed I guess. 

Wasn't aware that there was a case open, but okay.   I guess I don't spend my life obsessing over motocross athletes and their families. I'd...

Wasn't aware that there was a case open, but okay.

 

I guess I don't spend my life obsessing over motocross athletes and their families. I'd rather just be a plain Ole fan....old fashioned - I know.

You missed the point. Some people are put off by how Craig and family portray  themselves in their vids. I just thought it was funny you...

You missed the point. Some people are put off by how Craig and family portray  themselves in their vids. I just thought it was funny you watched one and declared anyone of that opinion bitter. One isn't much of a sample size. I'm with you I don't really care about any of this. I've watched one less vlog than you, zero. Some of the stuff Craig has said in interviews about nobody has gone through what he has is a little much

I don't believe I called "anyone of that opinion bitter" - I said that Vital attracts a special kind of bitter (which is true), but okay.

I agree with the sentiment that these guys sometimes don't live in the real world that most of us habitate, but it's not particularly surprising given how insular the little traveling circus of mx/sx is.  Eli is probably the most grounded of them all - specifically because his dad made a huge effort to keep him from that world as long as possible (and he has a lot of outside interests).

I just find it distasteful to come on a message board and negatively obsess over a rider - particularly one that seems like a really good dude, is amazing on a bike, etc.  But that's the risk these guys run by putting themselves out there w/vlogs, etc. I guess...

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3/8/2023 7:22am Edited Date/Time 3/8/2023 7:40am
I don't believe I called "anyone of that opinion bitter" - I said that Vital attracts a special kind of bitter (which is true), but okay...

I don't believe I called "anyone of that opinion bitter" - I said that Vital attracts a special kind of bitter (which is true), but okay.

I agree with the sentiment that these guys sometimes don't live in the real world that most of us habitate, but it's not particularly surprising given how insular the little traveling circus of mx/sx is.  Eli is probably the most grounded of them all - specifically because his dad made a huge effort to keep him from that world as long as possible (and he has a lot of outside interests).

I just find it distasteful to come on a message board and negatively obsess over a rider - particularly one that seems like a really good dude, is amazing on a bike, etc.  But that's the risk these guys run by putting themselves out there w/vlogs, etc. I guess...

It's distasteful to come on a MOTOCROSS discussion board and, wait for it, discuss our opinions on the riders?

I guess there should be a board for each rider, that way you know where to go so only positive opinions are shared. 

Yeah I get your point, some guys are definitely obsessive about negativity, but a lot of guys make excellent opposing points and that's the whole purpose of this board if you ask me. 

Just because YOU think Craig has it all together and the vlog is fine, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong man. There are plenty of guys who hate the vlog, his attitude, and everything else, but they can still want him to succeed. Weird how that works, huh?

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3/8/2023 7:23am
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Man,  I can picture most posting in this thread don’t have a family or understand what kids do to you after becoming a parent. Christian and...

Man,  I can picture most posting in this thread don’t have a family or understand what kids do to you after becoming a parent.

Christian and Paige are adults.  Christian is not a 17 year old phenom straight out of Loretta’s trying to figure it out. He’s racing in the most stacked 450 class I can recently remember and he’s consistently in the top in practice times.  He’s been getting horrible starts and finishing consistently in the top 10.  
 

His story and run for a championship last year was an amazing feel good story that he nor his family shoved down your throat. They were truthful and honest. Producers and the powers that be chose to tell the story.  A story that showed hard work and extreme perseverance.

He didn’t lie about breaking his back.

He didn’t lie about all the injuries.

He didn’t lie about taking a long time off to find the passion to race again.

So what if  his father in law gave him a chance.  It was obviously deserved.  You can’t buy talent and work ethic. 

I’m sure there are a lot more people out in the world that became fans because of his story then there are grumpy haters in here.

If you dont like the Vlog, don’t watch it.  Hating on a well mannered, hard working family man that chooses to have his family around in his first full year on a new bike with this competition shows the maturity of those posting negative comments in this thread.  

Life is bigger than any job.  Looks like Christian is winning that championship. 

He will figure it out and the negative nancies will find something else to explain how it should be done.

If life is "bigger than any job", why do we bother to go to work? Maybe to provide for said "life".

 

Having an Instagram for your kid is far from winning in my eyes. It seems to fulfill the need for constant attention, just like the vlog. 

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3/8/2023 7:29am
Brad460 wrote:
I was expecting some top 5s for him by now..watching his heat race yesterday when he was running in second for a bit his corner speed...

I was expecting some top 5s for him by now..watching his heat race yesterday when he was running in second for a bit his corner speed looked slow compared to others. Also, he didn’t look as aggressive as he was last year.

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Not taking any risks till he gets his Club deal. He will be a different rider on a Club 450 mate.

Your comments are so ridiculous. It' not the bike and Christian Craig has way too much respect for everyone involved including himself to just waste 2 years of a TOP level Factory Ride!!! 450 Supercross is such a different animal. He is not at the top 5 for pure speed with 450's on Saturday's as they line up at the gate and probably won't be. And that's not a knock at all. Look at the top 3 guys for goodness sakes. Look at Ferrandis.  Craig has got the speed during the week and I'm sure he's going to be in the top 5 outdoors. But let's be a little more realistic and understanding when it comes to the 450 Supercross circus

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3/8/2023 7:52am

While I think he has the ability to be racing harder and doing better, the one thing that amazes me how Christian and his wife can be so organized with three kids while being on the road full-time and keeping it all together. That's no easy feat. My hat is off to them. Seems like they have a great thing going family wise and although I am a legendary keyboard warrior/shit talker under my old name, I can't hate what they're doing as a family. It's pretty cool.

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3/8/2023 8:45am
Exactly. Plenty of past regional 250 champs finishing about the same as he is in the 450's right now, right? Other than Hunter last year, he...

Exactly. Plenty of past regional 250 champs finishing about the same as he is in the 450's right now, right?

Other than Hunter last year, he was battling Vince Friese, which should say something about the level of that region last year. 

The bike change seems to have destroyed his confidence and so far in his career if that confidence is gone, he seems to struggle immensely. 

He's a 31 year old regional champion, where exactly is the Mendoza line? Just my opinion, but again, I feel like the super publicized route they've taken with the vlog and everything has invited a lot of criticism. That's on them. If they really thought putting their lives in the public eye was going to ONLY gain support and not criticism, that's insanity to me.

The vibe from their vlog, to me, seems like "look how far we've come and what we've had to deal with." While you have guys like Deano (who's dealt with some serious injuries and hardcore ups and downs as well) put out a vlog that just seems like pure fun and like he just wants people to see what it's like to be a professional racer. He seems to be relishing every minute, knowing it's probably ending soon.

Okay, so if someone beats hunter this year for the title, you'll minimize that too right? Just wanna be consistent.

Probably not, as long as it's not a 30 year old who literally said NOBODY has been through what he's been through. We can keep going...

Probably not, as long as it's not a 30 year old who literally said NOBODY has been through what he's been through.

We can keep going back and forth all day if you want, or you can just admit it's ok to have different opinions on this. 

No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a championship? This is either true or false. period. you just dont like the guy because you're sad. Also, in case you didnt know this, it's a little harder to ride and train at 30 with past injuries than it is at 22. Everyone brings his age up like he's a bear fighting a dog but this is not exactly true either. 

There's not an age limit on skill-based racing classes because the proper boundaries are in place to where things are held consistent so that there's not an advantage except that which riders give themselves.

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3/8/2023 8:56am

Okay, so if someone beats hunter this year for the title, you'll minimize that too right? Just wanna be consistent.

Probably not, as long as it's not a 30 year old who literally said NOBODY has been through what he's been through. We can keep going...

Probably not, as long as it's not a 30 year old who literally said NOBODY has been through what he's been through.

We can keep going back and forth all day if you want, or you can just admit it's ok to have different opinions on this. 

No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a...

No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a championship? This is either true or false. period. you just dont like the guy because you're sad. Also, in case you didnt know this, it's a little harder to ride and train at 30 with past injuries than it is at 22. Everyone brings his age up like he's a bear fighting a dog but this is not exactly true either. 

There's not an age limit on skill-based racing classes because the proper boundaries are in place to where things are held consistent so that there's not an advantage except that which riders give themselves.

Clearly there is no logic with you. I agree with you about the guys on here who are obsessively negative about riders. The fact you can't see you are just the opposite of that, and are obsessively propping up Craig like he's the second coming is insufferable. It's clear you're willing to die on this hill, while I am not. Different opinions. Not because I'm "sad." What the hell does that even mean? Don't answer that. 

 

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3/8/2023 9:14am
No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a...

No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a championship? This is either true or false. period. you just dont like the guy because you're sad. Also, in case you didnt know this, it's a little harder to ride and train at 30 with past injuries than it is at 22. Everyone brings his age up like he's a bear fighting a dog but this is not exactly true either. 

There's not an age limit on skill-based racing classes because the proper boundaries are in place to where things are held consistent so that there's not an advantage except that which riders give themselves.

Christophe Pourcel was paralyzed, couldn't walk, overcame the odds stacked against him, and came back to win 2 titles. 

Doug Henry broke his back in 1995 and won the 1998 250 MX title. He unfortunately had another accident that left him paralyzed. He then went on to win X Games. 

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3/8/2023 9:23am
Forty wrote:
I hear you  --  This year has some core cats in the top 10, and it gets really serious in the top 5, -   When...

I hear you  --  This year has some core cats in the top 10, and it gets really serious in the top 5, -

 

When he was top 5/450 who was on the track?  Where was he in his career?  What bike was he on?  What were the expectations? Were they one off rides, with no pressure or expectation?  

I agree he should be better, but he's not. Why?

stremme12 wrote:
That's a lot of questions. The main one I want to answer was where was he at in his career? Well right now he's your last...

That's a lot of questions. The main one I want to answer was where was he at in his career? Well right now he's your last 250sx champion. I would guess he's expected to be in his prime of his career.

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His career is unique because it took him like 13 years as a pro for the stars and moon to align for his regional championship. He's...

His career is unique because it took him like 13 years as a pro for the stars and moon to align for his regional championship. He's 31 years old, that is usually past prime in this sport.

I think he's doing well to be in the top 10, I didn't expect anything more.

There are a slew of regional 250 champions that struggled in the 450 class. He'll do OK, just remains to be seen if he will be kept without a top 5 finish at some point this year. He'd have to displace Barcia or Andersen and that would be a tall order. Field is stacked.

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3/8/2023 9:52am
No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a...

No need for opinions. Has there been anyone else that has had that gnarly of an injury, taken time off, then come back to win a championship? This is either true or false. period. you just dont like the guy because you're sad. Also, in case you didnt know this, it's a little harder to ride and train at 30 with past injuries than it is at 22. Everyone brings his age up like he's a bear fighting a dog but this is not exactly true either. 

There's not an age limit on skill-based racing classes because the proper boundaries are in place to where things are held consistent so that there's not an advantage except that which riders give themselves.

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Christophe Pourcel was paralyzed, couldn't walk, overcame the odds stacked against him, and came back to win 2 titles.  Doug Henry broke his back in 1995...

Christophe Pourcel was paralyzed, couldn't walk, overcame the odds stacked against him, and came back to win 2 titles. 

Doug Henry broke his back in 1995 and won the 1998 250 MX title. He unfortunately had another accident that left him paralyzed. He then went on to win X Games. 

Great examples, I believe Decoster technically died (heart stopped beating or something) on the operating table from internal injuries after a wreck, was resuscitated, and came back to win a race by the end of one season as well.

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3/8/2023 9:58am

I think the point a lot of people are missing is not whether or not Mr. Craig is underperforming or not (by the way, he is underperforming). The point is that his junior teammate got a few days practice on the same bike and beat him in a race, badly. That is the point. Basically the kid who has been working in the mailroom his whole career beat the promising partner in the firm in landing the big contract, so to speak. So yes, it is a bad look, a real shitty look. Maybe instead of recording vlogs the Craig's film crew could tape Hampshire riding and show it to them, get a few pointers.

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3/8/2023 2:05pm

I was more impressed with Craig’s results outdoors last year on the 450 than anything he did on a 250.

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3/8/2023 5:42pm

They said that Hampshire was "riding Stewart's bike".  Does he literally ride the same bike that Stewart was racing earlier this year?

3/8/2023 7:13pm

This thread has the most sarcasm, snark, passive aggressiveness, underhand comments, thumbs up, thumbs down of any I’ve seen in a while lol very entertaining. 

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3/9/2023 3:44am
RichieW13 wrote:

They said that Hampshire was "riding Stewart's bike".  Does he literally ride the same bike that Stewart was racing earlier this year?

He had his 250 SX suspension on it.

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3/9/2023 5:26am
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Him and Paige have been through a lot. Those title fights were stressful for Paige. I don’t think Paige wants that much stress on the family...

Him and Paige have been through a lot. Those title fights were stressful for Paige. I don’t think Paige wants that much stress on the family, and I think she is cool with the one title and to just hang out and vlog and let Christian be a 6-10 guy. 

For him, racing is his job.  We should do our job to the best of our ability.

3/9/2023 7:57am
RichieW13 wrote:

They said that Hampshire was "riding Stewart's bike".  Does he literally ride the same bike that Stewart was racing earlier this year?

More than likely a bike that was built with the parts allocated to Mookie. 
 

 In reality, they change so many parts from week to week that the only thing they’re using by Daytona is possibly the frame. 

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