I was curious to see The Deegan's take on Haiden's first podium so I just saw the video from Daytona. I found it interesting at the end that he said it's rare for a rookie to get podium in their first four races. The only problem is here are several that did it and relatively quick in Supercross.
Stewart - 2nd SX race, 1st
Stroupe - 2nd SX race, 3rd
Dungey - 1st SX race, 1st
Canard - 1st SX race, 1st
Izzi - 2nd SX race, 3rd
Villopto, 2nd SX race, 2nd
Cianciarulo, 1st SX race, 1st
Carmichael, 3rd SX race, 1st
Windham, 1st SX race, 3rd
Tomac, 3rd SX race, 2nd
Bradshaw, 1st SX race, 3rd (250)
Don't get me wrong, I think it shows the potential he has, because most of the riders turned out great and were great amateurs, but I'm just not that impressed to be honest. Plenty of guys are out, guys that are faster or the same speed as him that are having trouble staying off the ground (Vialle, Mosiman, Martin, Smith, Thrasher) I guess let's see how things go, but I'm guessing he struggles to go top 5 in an E/W shootout, unless more guys get hurt.
He gets better every ride regardless of where he finishes.
He worked a 2 time MX champ at Daytona, you must be difficult to impress
He can only race whats in front of him, being like .4 off the pace at Daytona quite impressive imo.
Most of those stats of previous riders were when 250s weren't filled with champions and great mature experienced riders, going off those stats AC is better than Carmichael.
If your eyes are telling you Deegan isn't impressive then go get your eyes checked, hes the real deal.
I guess I'm struggling to be impressed because so many guys are out, keep hitting the deck, and he isn't setting the world on fire. He certainly is riding smart, but for the "next big thing" it really shouldn't be a surprise he podiumed at this point. See above references and I'm sure there are some I missed, I just ran through some riders I thought might have podiumed early on.
Curious to see how he does at a showdown and outdoors.
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If you hear a stoked dad bragging on his kid and your first instinct is "I better prove him wrong," the problem isn't Deegan...
Bro your a hater and wasting your time on nonsense.
Out of ALL of the rookies in the history of supercross it is rare..
I agree completely.
I hadn't watched any of their social media or YouTube stuff up until a few months ago, maybe after his national debut last year, and I had a little bit of a "ah man this whole thing feels forced and they are acting too cool for everyone" attitude. Then I watched some of their YouTube stuff and honestly whether you're a fan or not, that whole crew seems super humble and genuine.
At the end of the day, especially at the races, Brian just seems like a dsd who's super proud of his kid and is more concerned with Haiden staying focused and humble than he is results right now.
I wasn't a fan before, but I sure as hell am now.
Forkner podiumed his 4th race.
Seth hammaker won his 3rd race.
Look at the names on that list though.. all legends
He has to be stoked!
Guess you didnt watch the video. It was Haiden that said about getting on the podium so quick.
Not hating just not bowing down to worship the kid yet.
Ah, so instead of trying to prove a stoked dad wrong, you had to prove a stoked 17 year old wrong. That’s much cooler…
If you were to listen to all of their fans who live on their YouTube channel Haiden should be winning every race and be winning the sx title. So to what him and his family built him up as on their YouTube the season has been a letdown so far.
Someone in here mentioned the Deegan’s and the word humble together which I find laughable. You don’t create that type of YouTube channel with that much clickbait by being a humble person. If you want to see what humble is; go follow people like Chase Sexton, Ryan Dungey, Zach Osbourne on their way to being champions.
Now, to me I think Deegan has had a super solid start to his rookie season in SX. Glad he started this year it’s been fun to watch!
Not impressed with a supercross podium, tough crowd.
I really don’t understand the hate this kid generates. As miss informed as they may be, he’s bringing in a ton of new fans to the sport that will probably stick around. You want to grow the sport? This is how it’s done.
Which one of them has more time on a supercross track?
I'm willing to bet Deegan has 20 times the laps (or more) on a SX track than Vialle. Yes, Vialle is a 2x MX champ and talented as hell, but SX and MX are barely the same sport.
Vialle will be good at SX with more time. Deegan is already really good and will continue to get better. I'd imagine those 2 will be duking it out for the title next season.
I think they were referring to Jmart. Also I think op made a great point with this list. According to this a rookie hasn’t podiumed this early in the season since AC debut in 2013. That makes it 10 YEARS since this has happened last. Seems pretty notable to me.
I forget about Jmart easily.
Deegan on pace with some awesome riders
Barcia - 1st race, 3rd (2010)
Barcia - 4th race, 1st (2010)
Wilson - 3rd race, 3rd, (2010)
Baggett - 5th race, 1st (2010)
Bogle - 2nd race, 3rd (2012)
Musquin - 3rd race, 2nd (2012)
Webb - 3rd race, 2nd (2014)
Plessinger - 5th race, 3rd (2015)
Hampshire - 5th race, 3rd (2015)
Ferrandis - 4th race, 3rd (2017)
J Lawrence - 6th race, 3rd (2020)
H Lawrence - 5th race, 2nd (2020)
H Lawrence - 6th race, 1st (2020)
C Sexton - 2nd SX race - 3rd (2018)
It would seem he is in good company indeed.
I think the hate stems from his Dad's rep with the Metal Mulisha era. I for one have never been a fan of that flatbill group but Hayden is actually a pretty chill kid. He used to practice at a track my son rode at and he.., along with Brian, were super cool with all the kids continuously coming up to their pit area. I hope he continues to figure out the Pro racing series and takes it to the next level along with the other fast young guns coming out of the amateur ranks.
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So if that's the list of people who did it faster, even if you add in the guys who did it 4-6 races in, it's still pretty rare? I mean the list of people who haven't done that are every other racer ever?
So 45 years of Supercross, thousands of rookies over that time and 20-25 have podiumed in their first year. I would call that rare. But hey don't listen to me I just do numbers for a living.
Tough to beat Tripes rookie record.
Seth won his 3rd race. Forkner had a podium in his 4th race.
Let’s be real he isn’t the same J-Mart with all the injuries he’s had. Impressive still but let’s not act like this current J-Mart is pre injury J-Mart
I'm just wondering when he wins a Supercross race. Is he going to ghost ride his bike off the finish line jump?
Listen to the pulp interview, he talks about it.
Excuses. Facts are he beat a guy that is historically very good at Daytona.
Your stats are 100% and are inarguable. The difference now is the level of competition in the "junior" SX class. Three riders in Deegan's class have major GP experience, and many of these riders are on factory bikes, have won SX or Nationals let alone championships. One of the riders in front of Deegan even won the des Nations overall. I think four riders in Deegan's class have desNations experience.
People joke about Tripes being a rookie (since it was the first Supercross, and everyone was technically a rookie) but he was barely 16, and won in the premier class; which included many of Europe's finest. I'd say it's fair to suggest that it probably is the most impressive debut in Supercross.
So 11 out of the thousands of previous pro riders have podium’d quicker.
got it.
Actually, Damon Bradshaw won his very first SX in the (then) 250cc class at the Toronto SX. He had just won the 85cc class at LL, and was hired by Ken Shaw Toyota to race the SX in Toronto. He came up and spanked everyone on his first try including our best at the time Ross (rollerball) Pederson, among other Americans. He then went on to race the 125cc class outdoors and SX (125cc) the following year.
But good on Haiden, I'm starting to be a fan.
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