Deegan P#13 After Qualifying, and P#5 in futures main

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1/30/2023 9:24am
Tyler D wrote:

how does deegan stack up with Jett at his age?

MxAddic wrote:

Jett didn't milk out the futures with a factory bike. Time to put his big boy pants on.

Well per Star they are amateur bikes not Pro bikes. And Daxton was on the same bike. I believe the Husky rider is racing at Arlington so many of these will be in the east for races. I would expect Daxton and Deegan to line up next week. As was said before, now that you can't point out might as well get the experience

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1/30/2023 9:28am
Juck wrote:

Should be a 2 position penalty, yeah?

scott_nz wrote:

2 postions plus as many places as he gained,  so at least 3 positions. 

Juck wrote:

Isn't it 1 position for gaining an advantage, plus 1 additional position for each rider passed?

I'm not sure but either way looks like it would be a 7th.

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1/30/2023 9:36am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2023 9:37am

I have been following MX/SX for about 45 years now.

I have been around to see a lot of "next big things "become "whatever happened to"s.

Have also seen a lot of riders kind of step up out of nowhere. An example would be Dungey.

Now with social media blowing up so much, the hype gets bigger and more prolific because the (over?) hyped actually encourage and monetize it.

I guess that is kind of a good, but It is a bit messed up to an OG.

I will simply say this.

I think there is a good chance that "danger boy" will break all kinds of records in our sport.

After his performances at ironman and A2, I am just not sure if the records broken will be RC4's or AF55's/AC9's.

 

Note: I do not mean any disrespect to Forkner or Cianciarulo. Not really an AF fan but dang. What a kick in the nuts for him. Always kind of pulled for AC because he always seemed like a good guy that got hyped by everybody else and handled it well. Best of luck to both in the future.

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Lets be honest hear .Ive watched Haiden since the day he started racing and the kid is loaded with talent .He is one of the best  amateurs that are getting ready to turn pro ..Is he the best amateur right now id have to  say no he isnt .Heres my take on Saturday night .. I would think  that the nerves got to him by the way he rode ..He never settled in and let the race come to him he was over riding the whole time  I dont remember one lap that he didnt come up short on things or make some other mistake..I  think he wouldve had a better result if he had just calmed down and started racing the track ,The same goes for the kid that qualified ahead of him ,i think he even looked worse than Haiden did ..The only two riders that impressed were  Dax  and Casey ..if it wasnt the nerves getting to him or something of that effect then hes got aways to go before anyone starts comparing him to James  or any other all time great.  I cant wait to watch this futures class its going to get even  better after these kids get a few rounds under their belt and when Ryder D returns from injury 

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1/30/2023 11:41am
Motodragon wrote:
Why is Star in such a hurry to have Haiden line up for supercross.  Let him get his points and prep for motocross.  He still young...

Why is Star in such a hurry to have Haiden line up for supercross.  Let him get his points and prep for motocross.  He still young and the team can wait to next year. 

Because they view him as a cash cow.

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Tyler D wrote:

how does deegan stack up with Jett at his age?

MxAddic wrote:

Jett didn't milk out the futures with a factory bike. Time to put his big boy pants on.

Well per Star they are amateur bikes not Pro bikes. And Daxton was on the same bike. I believe the Husky rider is racing at Arlington...

Well per Star they are amateur bikes not Pro bikes. And Daxton was on the same bike. I believe the Husky rider is racing at Arlington so many of these will be in the east for races. I would expect Daxton and Deegan to line up next week. As was said before, now that you can't point out might as well get the experience

I would bet against Dax lining up next week for the east rounds.  

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1/30/2023 12:45pm

So Futures falls under the claim rule so no rider will be running full pro bikes. So likely nothing crazy trick on any of the bikes racing

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

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He was on the list last week we will see if he lines up. I heard he was just pre entered just in case. 

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1/30/2023 2:01pm Edited Date/Time 1/30/2023 2:01pm

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

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I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

Didn’t bother the first three that much.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

I dont think there's many haters. Just people tired of hearing he's the next RC. You forgot to mention Ryder beat him in the first moto and had a bad crash 2nd moto. Out of 4 pro motos they've raced together Ryder has finished better in 3. 

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1/30/2023 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 1/30/2023 2:18pm

Can you for 1 minute imagine the actual pressure on that kid to actually do great?……

 

im glad I don’t have that kind of pressure on me everyday

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Tyler D wrote:

how does deegan stack up with Jett at his age?

MxAddic wrote:

Jett didn't milk out the futures with a factory bike. Time to put his big boy pants on.

Well per Star they are amateur bikes not Pro bikes. And Daxton was on the same bike. I believe the Husky rider is racing at Arlington...

Well per Star they are amateur bikes not Pro bikes. And Daxton was on the same bike. I believe the Husky rider is racing at Arlington so many of these will be in the east for races. I would expect Daxton and Deegan to line up next week. As was said before, now that you can't point out might as well get the experience

Star already has 3 riders doing east coast. You believe they will put 5 out there?

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1/30/2023 2:49pm
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During the Friday qualifiers he looked super quick and aggressive. I was surprised there were other kids (Futures) on the same level, let alone quicker.   ...

During the Friday qualifiers he looked super quick and aggressive. I was surprised there were other kids (Futures) on the same level, let alone quicker. 

 

Go watch Stewart's first supercross, he struggled under the big spotlight as well. I'm sure he will be alright, but losing a few times sure puts a big dent in the old ego. Could make him better, or it could make him ride over his head.

 

Either way I'm sure he is not done cutting the track..... 

DunnySeat wrote:
Bubba qualified fastest, almost won, crashed, and still got second. He was also younger. There is no comparison.   The kid will be good but he's...

Bubba qualified fastest, almost won, crashed, and still got second. He was also younger. There is no comparison.

 

The kid will be good but he's not the second coming that everyone is hyping him up to be. 

Also, James' first SX was for money.... An actual pro race even if, a regional event.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:

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 Looks like he isn't lining up and they figured it was an easy win. 

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Lets be honest hear .Ive watched Haiden since the day he started racing and the kid is loaded with talent .He is one of the best ...

Lets be honest hear .Ive watched Haiden since the day he started racing and the kid is loaded with talent .He is one of the best  amateurs that are getting ready to turn pro ..Is he the best amateur right now id have to  say no he isnt .Heres my take on Saturday night .. I would think  that the nerves got to him by the way he rode ..He never settled in and let the race come to him he was over riding the whole time  I dont remember one lap that he didnt come up short on things or make some other mistake..I  think he wouldve had a better result if he had just calmed down and started racing the track ,The same goes for the kid that qualified ahead of him ,i think he even looked worse than Haiden did ..The only two riders that impressed were  Dax  and Casey ..if it wasnt the nerves getting to him or something of that effect then hes got aways to go before anyone starts comparing him to James  or any other all time great.  I cant wait to watch this futures class its going to get even  better after these kids get a few rounds under their belt and when Ryder D returns from injury 

Everyone of them were making mistakes right and left. Not one of them had a perfect race with no mistakes and time lost. 

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1/30/2023 3:10pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

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He was a pre-entry before a2. Brian touched on this in an interview and said they aren’t holding that as a must. With that said I would still be surprised if he doesn’t race. 

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I had no idea he finished 5th and only 15 seconds behind the winner.   I only watched the futures main and in those first few laps...

I had no idea he finished 5th and only 15 seconds behind the winner.   I only watched the futures main and in those first few laps he looked out of control.   Now looking back and seeing he got 5th, I would say he should line up next week in Houston.  If he just slows down a bit and takes a breath, he could get a top 10 and build from there.   How long was he down before he got back on the track?   I bet it was close to 15 seconds so he was obviously fast, you cant take that from him.   

It is fun to see people so hot and cold on a rider though, haven't seen this since Alessi.  Doing YT videos and selling merch really gets under some people's skin.   lol.   

Lol, you might be able to fool you wife into thinking that was 15 seconds but I can guarantee it wasn’t!

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1/30/2023 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 1/30/2023 3:32pm
I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

I was going to leave this thread alone, but your bait was too good to pass up.

Let’s not say Top 10 as if he finished better than 10th. Top 10 sure sounds better than 10th eh?

2nd he probably has more seat time at that track than most pros, so he should be good there. In fact should be better than barely cracking the top 10.

His performance there with a 16-10 for 13th overall doesn’t scream next big thing to me all factors considered. 
 

PS privateer Derek Kelley was 11th overall. So yeah……Nothing against Kelley but if you are truly the next big thing a privateer team rider shouldn’t be beating you.

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I don't have the quote but I'm sure I've heard Brian say that they've been training Haiden at supercross forever because supercross is what's important and nobody cares about motocross. He was disappointing on saturday after he's shown good speed and racecraft at other amateur races. 

Alot better competition in the futures race than I was expecting.

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I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

Farmer J wrote:
I dont think there's many haters. Just people tired of hearing he's the next RC. You forgot to mention Ryder beat him in the first moto...

I dont think there's many haters. Just people tired of hearing he's the next RC. You forgot to mention Ryder beat him in the first moto and had a bad crash 2nd moto. Out of 4 pro motos they've raced together Ryder has finished better in 3. 

Who are these people saying he's the next RC/Stew/gonna lap Jett? Besides know-nothing YouTube commenters, and NorCalRedRider being an admitted troll on the subject, I just haven't seen it, but people keep bringing it up like it's all over the place. Being a fan ≠ thinking he's going to break the record books.

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I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

RC won his second pro National. Tomac won his first. 

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He crashed on his own here. Could have been a different race without this.

 

 

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I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

RC won his second pro National. Tomac won his first. 

To be fair his 2nd national was 10 months later...

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1/30/2023 4:13pm
MXR wrote:

Is this the kid that needed a cheater motor in the 50 cc class?

Pretty messed up when it happened, but that one is on dad 100%. Can’t blame a kid for that.

I don’t really follow him or root for him, but it’s crazy how much judgement from one race. Anything can happen in a race and he isn’t racing some scrubs. Those guys are great riders! This race didn’t go his way, but I could just as easily see him getting a great start and dominating the next one if he doesn’t go pro.

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Those guys were wayyy older than I expected them to be. They were all old enough to be pros. I was expecting something like ages 14-17 I guess. I just grew up in a time when pro debuts were almost always at age 16 or 17. I know the 4 stroke has changed that and I haven’t gotten with the times I guess. 

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Brian said in a inteview that he asks RC and other guys there opinion and they all said " Throw him in the pro ranks  ASAP" Unless he is hurt I expect him to race one of the next 2 East Coast rounds

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I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10...

I guess all the Deegan haters missed Pala (his second pro race) where it was 100° and he passed Ryder D and got a top 10 in moto 2.  If that doesn’t convince you he’s legit, nothing will. 

ACBailey89 wrote:
I was going to leave this thread alone, but your bait was too good to pass up. Let’s not say Top 10 as if he finished...

I was going to leave this thread alone, but your bait was too good to pass up.

Let’s not say Top 10 as if he finished better than 10th. Top 10 sure sounds better than 10th eh?

2nd he probably has more seat time at that track than most pros, so he should be good there. In fact should be better than barely cracking the top 10.

His performance there with a 16-10 for 13th overall doesn’t scream next big thing to me all factors considered. 
 

PS privateer Derek Kelley was 11th overall. So yeah……Nothing against Kelley but if you are truly the next big thing a privateer team rider shouldn’t be beating you.

Did you slide into Haiden’s DMs, asked him out on a date, then he rejected you?  You seem to be obsessed with this guy.  Super weird. 

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Did you slide into Haiden’s DMs, asked him out on a date, then he rejected you?  You seem to be obsessed with this guy.  Super weird. 

Guess when the Deeganites got nothing to back up the hype, they try and insult instead. Now go tell Hayden you defended his honor on vital. Good job little Deeganite.

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