Smaller whoops this season.

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Big whoops can work if done properly and safely. It is something that separates riders on skill so I really hope they don’t make it to...

Big whoops can work if done properly and safely. It is something that separates riders on skill so I really hope they don’t make it to the point where they become redundant. The whoops at A1 last year were awesome because they were right out of a turn and took a combo of bike skill, bike set up, and technique. I don’t recall anyone getting hurt in them and when there were crashes, it wasn’t too bad because the rider wasn’t going fast enough. I also don’t want to see the same ones like A3 where they were hitting big ones at high speed and seeing what seemed like half of the 250 field getting injured trying to blitz them. 

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Bro that A1 whoop section took colt nichols out in the first 250f heat... for the rest of the season. I say make the whoops smaller,but...

Bro that A1 whoop section took colt nichols out in the first 250f heat... for the rest of the season.

I say make the whoops smaller,but stagger pattern them. Meaning Right and left side start high then go low, then high on the exit.

the middle path starts low, then goes high then low..and the last 4 are high on the exit (so the last 4 will be the same size and in unison).

I was speaking more about the ones right after the finish line. Colt’s crash was a little flukey though but had a terrible result unfortunately. Even the ones Colt crashed in were not high speed at all. 

12/25/2022 8:49pm
NP301 wrote:
I love all the down votes but no replies, keep hiding behind your key boards. :D I can only imagine how you respond to your wives...

I love all the down votes but no replies, keep hiding behind your key boards. :D I can only imagine how you respond to your wives when you disagree with them.

 

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Sorry I forgot there was already a thread about that Wink

Same. Silently with a thumbs down. 

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Bro that A1 whoop section took colt nichols out in the first 250f heat... for the rest of the season. I say make the whoops smaller,but...

Bro that A1 whoop section took colt nichols out in the first 250f heat... for the rest of the season.

I say make the whoops smaller,but stagger pattern them. Meaning Right and left side start high then go low, then high on the exit.

the middle path starts low, then goes high then low..and the last 4 are high on the exit (so the last 4 will be the same size and in unison).

I couldn't agree more as I support the teams who have a vested interest in keeping their riders healthy.  Question for those against more reasonable, safer whoops, who are typing from the safety of their homes

How many of you against this smaller whoop direction have supported the concept of a riders' union in the past?

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12/26/2022 9:18am

Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round 6 and you never see any bar to bar racing? What do you really want here? If you really want that separation, that's fine, I can't deny that I enjoy watching riders that are on that next level dominate the field myself, but what really keeps me tuned in to any motorsport is watching guys going at it for laps at a time.

 

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12/26/2022 10:28am
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Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round...

Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round 6 and you never see any bar to bar racing? What do you really want here? If you really want that separation, that's fine, I can't deny that I enjoy watching riders that are on that next level dominate the field myself, but what really keeps me tuned in to any motorsport is watching guys going at it for laps at a time.

 

I'm with you 100% on this.  There are a lot of people that often say "separate the riders".  which I do not understand.  Whether I am racing or spectating, the last thing I want is a boring race with spread out riders and little to no passing.

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12/26/2022 10:30am
r_outsider wrote:
Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round...

Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round 6 and you never see any bar to bar racing? What do you really want here? If you really want that separation, that's fine, I can't deny that I enjoy watching riders that are on that next level dominate the field myself, but what really keeps me tuned in to any motorsport is watching guys going at it for laps at a time.

 

The whoops were huge last year and the title was exciting down to the end. If Ando wouldn’t of played grab ass with Mookie it woulda been down to the wire 

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12/26/2022 1:59pm

Just put the same whoops as last year. They actually separated guys and weren't as bad as everyone is letting on. Just need to be smart, sack up, grab 4th, and pin it!

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r_outsider wrote:
Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round...

Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round 6 and you never see any bar to bar racing? What do you really want here? If you really want that separation, that's fine, I can't deny that I enjoy watching riders that are on that next level dominate the field myself, but what really keeps me tuned in to any motorsport is watching guys going at it for laps at a time.

 

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I'm with you 100% on this.  There are a lot of people that often say "separate the riders".  which I do not understand.  Whether I am...

I'm with you 100% on this.  There are a lot of people that often say "separate the riders".  which I do not understand.  Whether I am racing or spectating, the last thing I want is a boring race with spread out riders and little to no passing.

The last thing I want is a race decided solely by the start because everyone does the same lines perfect and it’s just follow the leader 

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I love all the down votes but no replies, keep hiding behind your key boards. :D I can only imagine how you respond to your wives...

I love all the down votes but no replies, keep hiding behind your key boards. :D I can only imagine how you respond to your wives when you disagree with them.

 

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Sorry I forgot there was already a thread about that Wink

No hiding here. I downvoted the original post because I enjoyed seeing the big whoops in 22. I’d prefer focus on slowing the tracks down and finding a way to make them much less of everyone doing the same rhythm, same line, etcetera. 

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12/26/2022 5:41pm

the whoops are the only thing seperating the top 10 these days so hopefully they mix them up throughout the season...(easier to harder).....

 

I expect mookie and craig to be further up the front ........the harder they make the hoops!!

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12/26/2022 5:42pm

Thinking there'd be far less injuries if whoops were either ; 

Mild-ish like in Paris this year & then use sand pits & wall jumps to separate riders, or anything that kills momentum, the best riders will find a way to carry just that little bit more speed, thats why they're the best riders. 

Or as mentioned ; crazy mascinations of confusion style whoops like in the eighties where just getting through was the challenge & the speeds were relatively slow.  

It's getting old seeing top guys going out early in a season just because one portion of the track presents such risk of injury.

Much prefer a race to the checkered flag as opposed to 'do or die' every lap resulting in a thinned out field by mid-season. .

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12/27/2022 2:53pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2022 2:55pm
It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing...

It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing so. I know this board is full of older dudes who's wife calls the shots and anonymously downvoting something gives them some sense of power in their life, and forgetting that their balls are in the wife's purse for a few minutes. Downvotes should be public just like up votes. It's actually kinda sad.

I down voted your comment. I think it should show both the up-voters and down-voters but at the end of the day does it really matter? You came in pretty hot with insults. 
 

I don’t like small whoops. Big whoops make the racing more exciting. I remember some of the whoops being huge last year but there weren’t really any more crashes than usual in them. 

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12/27/2022 3:00pm

Lets just get rid of whoops and have a standard stadium length section of repeating wall jumps. 

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12/27/2022 3:03pm
r_outsider wrote:
Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round...

Another question: How many wanting huge whoops to separate the men from the boys will be complaining that the titles have been decided by like round 6 and you never see any bar to bar racing? What do you really want here? If you really want that separation, that's fine, I can't deny that I enjoy watching riders that are on that next level dominate the field myself, but what really keeps me tuned in to any motorsport is watching guys going at it for laps at a time.

 

The whoops were huge last year and the title was exciting down to the end. If Ando wouldn’t of played grab ass with Mookie it woulda...

The whoops were huge last year and the title was exciting down to the end. If Ando wouldn’t of played grab ass with Mookie it woulda been down to the wire 

Why, Johnny Ringo, you just went Full-Old-School!

Nice 

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12/27/2022 5:44pm
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Lets just get rid of whoops and have a standard stadium length section of repeating wall jumps. 

Let's just pay attention to what the teams want since they're the ones creating the show.

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12/27/2022 9:38pm

This was the rumor going into last year too. Same stuff different year. 

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12/28/2022 7:08am

Can we get a list of how many guys got injured in the whoops the past two seasons? And tally it up against how many got injured in a rhythm section?

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Can we get a list of how many guys got injured in the whoops the past two seasons? And tally it up against how many got...

Can we get a list of how many guys got injured in the whoops the past two seasons? And tally it up against how many got injured in a rhythm section?

Whoops have always bitten riders, but how many times have they been the cause for injuries, I don't know. Nichols and Wilson were injured this year. Malcolm broke his femur in 2020.

 

They bit Shimoda pretty good this year. 

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It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing...

It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing so. I know this board is full of older dudes who's wife calls the shots and anonymously downvoting something gives them some sense of power in their life, and forgetting that their balls are in the wife's purse for a few minutes. Downvotes should be public just like up votes. It's actually kinda sad.

You seem to care, a lot.

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If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

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If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

Do you have an analysis of how many of the injuries in recent years have happened past the 20 lap mark?

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'd be truly curious to know.  There is no doubt the tracks get absolutely trashed these days.

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12/28/2022 12:53pm

If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

LungButter wrote:
Do you have an analysis of how many of the injuries in recent years have happened past the 20 lap mark? I'm not saying you're right...

Do you have an analysis of how many of the injuries in recent years have happened past the 20 lap mark?

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'd be truly curious to know.  There is no doubt the tracks get absolutely trashed these days.

I don’t think I could, because the heats and LCQs are longer too

some mains the last few years have been 25+ laps. 

The timed mains is Feld being cheap and not wanting to buy enough dirt to make legit 55-second lap time tracks. 

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12/28/2022 1:03pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2022 1:08pm

If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

LungButter wrote:
Do you have an analysis of how many of the injuries in recent years have happened past the 20 lap mark? I'm not saying you're right...

Do you have an analysis of how many of the injuries in recent years have happened past the 20 lap mark?

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I'd be truly curious to know.  There is no doubt the tracks get absolutely trashed these days.

I don’t think I could, because the heats and LCQs are longer too some mains the last few years have been 25+ laps.  The timed mains...

I don’t think I could, because the heats and LCQs are longer too

some mains the last few years have been 25+ laps. 

The timed mains is Feld being cheap and not wanting to buy enough dirt to make legit 55-second lap time tracks. 

One of the driving factors for making the change to timed races back in 2017 was for TV production to be more steam lined. They could literally plan the entire broadcast down to the very minute. 

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12/28/2022 2:39pm

All the track are the same.   the standard “supercross triple” hasn’t been exciting since the 125 days.  Every track has the same obstacle just in slightly different order. 

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All the track are the same.   the standard “supercross triple” hasn’t been exciting since the 125 days.  Every track has the same obstacle just in...

All the track are the same.   the standard “supercross triple” hasn’t been exciting since the 125 days.  Every track has the same obstacle just in slightly different order. 

This type of comment is always strange to me. The tracks are limited by space. What do you want different? 
 

You could say it about any sport. Football is always the same, it’s a run or pass play. Basketball is always the same they dribble up and down the court and shoot.  If anything, Supercross has more variety than any of the major sports. 

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12/28/2022 3:38pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2022 3:41pm

If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

Using that logic, most injuries would be occurring over the last five laps.   Tracks need to be built better not the races shortened since most aren't interested in a fourteen minute 450 main.   And it makes no sense Feld wanted timed mains to save money.   How would that work anyway?

The lack of support on Vital for what the teams have requested seems at odds with the "riders need a union" mantra that gets cycled through the forum regularly.  Yes, no?  Given the racers are the show, shouldn't the racers be the one determining track & obstacle design and not Feld, the AMA or us?   Asking for a friend.

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It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing...

It's not that anyone cares. It's the fact that a person can hide behind the anonymity of giving a thumbs down without any recourse from doing so. I know this board is full of older dudes who's wife calls the shots and anonymously downvoting something gives them some sense of power in their life, and forgetting that their balls are in the wife's purse for a few minutes. Downvotes should be public just like up votes. It's actually kinda sad.

It's actually kinda sad that anyone could actually GAF about up or down votes but really need Dr Phil to unpack the rest of this post.

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If they want to cut down on injuries they need to go back to 20 lap mains. The tracks are getting too chewed up. 

Using that logic, most injuries would be occurring over the last five laps.   Tracks need to be built better not the races shortened since most aren't...

Using that logic, most injuries would be occurring over the last five laps.   Tracks need to be built better not the races shortened since most aren't interested in a fourteen minute 450 main.   And it makes no sense Feld wanted timed mains to save money.   How would that work anyway?

The lack of support on Vital for what the teams have requested seems at odds with the "riders need a union" mantra that gets cycled through the forum regularly.  Yes, no?  Given the racers are the show, shouldn't the racers be the one determining track & obstacle design and not Feld, the AMA or us?   Asking for a friend.

The riders are the show, but the show is far less entertaining when the track sucks 

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JJO741 wrote:
Big whoops can work if done properly and safely. It is something that separates riders on skill so I really hope they don’t make it to...

Big whoops can work if done properly and safely. It is something that separates riders on skill so I really hope they don’t make it to the point where they become redundant. The whoops at A1 last year were awesome because they were right out of a turn and took a combo of bike skill, bike set up, and technique. I don’t recall anyone getting hurt in them and when there were crashes, it wasn’t too bad because the rider wasn’t going fast enough. I also don’t want to see the same ones like A3 where they were hitting big ones at high speed and seeing what seemed like half of the 250 field getting injured trying to blitz them. 

No none got hurt? They ended Nichols season. I was at A1 last year and there was carnage all day in them. 
 

last years whoops were bigger than normal. I like everyone want to see big whoops and massive quads, but the obstacles can’t become do or die either, especially since how SX has evolved into such high speed tracks. 

 

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I was watching some of the old A1 races on the Supercross Live YouTube stream, and I got to say the whoops were WAY smaller back in the early 2010s, they were practically just little bumps that all the riders blitzed without a problem.

As long as they're not that level of ease and not jumpers, Im hoping they will be still be big enough for separation (thinking optimistically here).

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