Idea to help local racing turnouts for Vets

I have done a couple of these, but this year I’m going to try to do the whole series’s , looking forward to it 

Ha ha… I still like to ride! No promoting for me…Vet guys are a pain in the ass..😂

With all due respect man, we do "owe them" just like every generation following one another.  you leave behind the most and best resources possible for us to be successful... 

These "Old people" are your grandparents and parents, without them, you wouldn't exist...

I, by no means, am perfect whats so ever- but you seem like a major Punk with a statement like that.  Have you ever heard, "respect your elders?"

Years of sitting around on race day our whole lives earns us the right to race first and get home early.
Also want vet only practice, vet only sign up line, vet only Porta John’s, vet only parking area, vet only food line…etc..

What kind of bullshit comment is that ? 
 

Bullshit. The selfishness and entitlement of the “vets” is on full display here. The younger generation doesn’t owe the older generation anything, ever. Feel sorry for your kids if you have any and you hold the expectation that they owe you for their existence over them. It’s you who owe them. 

Respect if a different concept then what this thread is about or his comments. Respect exists with out being owed anything. 

In case you are wondering I have raced vet almost 20 years now. 
 

Everyone always has awesome ideas on how to make it better for themselves. We have an Oldtimers affiliated club up here, and the funny part in context to this thread is they have been doing lots of things for the younger riders to boost entries. Mainly because there hasn’t been a president of the club old enough to qualify as an Oldtimer(+40) in about 10 years now (because it’s a thankless job). Tried putting them earlier in the program for a bit, now they allow them to race second class in the +30 classes. Overall entries are still down. 

Replace the word old with Young and I think he's on to something.   

There's talk about adding a 30 plus class to the international otmx series.  

 can't understand not having a set schedule ahead of time, am I confusing what was said? I get that the times can, and often will, be pushed back in any racing, as shit happens, but the order should be set in stone?

How do you know what's going on, just wing it on raceday? Way to push the stress levels. If people want to race multiple classes, don't adjust the whole day to suit, let them know the order in advance and let them decide what they're into.

You'll still get the tough bastard who will make his choice and ride straight back to the start after his regular moto to do it all again in another class and you'll still get people complain, but at least everyone showing up knows what's up.

I dont know why you dont think young people dont have all of those problems, but worse. Everyday of my life is booked in 10 minute intervals. I cant take a dump in peace lol. I work on my graudate work at the gym. Not a personal attack, but like I said, once people turn 50, they think the world revolves around them.

Let's get you guys a vet-only forum too lol

Edit: Sorry, i forgot I'm already on it. silly me!

I think what separates the vet classes where I am from is Money class over trophy class. There are a lot of dudes that sandbag the vet B/C classes just to rack up 10$ trophies for their shop wall, social media, and hookit pages. Here in Illinois if the classes were combined and you just so happened to earn money and accept it , you are now an A rider in IL. I race 30A and there are only ever about 4 of us unless you're at the 1st race of the year or at Lincoln Trail. I think a small state vet series would bring a lot of practice riders back to the track. Split the day run all of the mini classes in the morning, have an intermission with a re prep of the track and then have the big bikes go. A lot of the vets in my area have kids that race so we are at the track all day anyways.

i think what everyone should be more concerned with is getting MORE bikes on the no matter what age and skill level.

we are a niche sport at best and what being said striving to get along and improve and increase the said niche sport should be job one.

So the current motocross business model banks on riders riding multiple classes? I guess I always thought Riders riding multiple classes was gravy, not a requirement. Seems like a vicious circle then.

Banks? How about survives and does not close? People post about their tracks closing all the time. The tracks close because they can not get enough $ continue to keep going. Most tracks are barely making it and reducing the numbers of rider entries will tighten the noose.

Dude, are you trying to kill us? Better have 4-5 ambulances on stand-by!

No, I meant "banks" as in "counts on", "depends on". As in a requirement of sorts. Not "makes bank."

We rotate the race order every event, we have 3 different schedules.

One weekend it is order A, next order B etc....that way everyone gets a chance at an earlier day.

One thing to remember about a lot of Vet riders is that many of them have kids racing too so the "early day" doesn't end up being early.

I don't race. But, us old people have long figured out we are not owed anything.

We have also figured out (learning from females) that incessant complaining can get things done.

The Masters MX series that was previously mentioned in this thread also does the 3 different schedule rotation. I really wish more series would do something like that, or not require me to show up at 7am to sign up if my first moto isn't until 11am.

I raced a GP at MMX in NorCal and they told us ahead of time our moto would be at 11 AM. It was a 45 minute moto and I showed up, raced, hung out a bit, and headed home. It was awesome.

It's way better than getting to the track at 7 am, riding three laps of practice, then sitting around for five hours waiting to race.

It does not help any race turnout when there are multiple tracks in the same area that are open for practice on the race day and multiple races going on at the same time. In the Northeast and New England this occurs often. I know several Vet/Sr riders that want nothing to do with the races, mostly due to the long day and short Moto”s. Racing used to be a Sunday thing, now it’s Saturday and Sunday… I do like how NESC splits the season into spring/ fall series… you can pick 1 series and still have a life for 1/2 the summer….

How many laps is 30 vet A in Wisconsin ?  Anyone have a problem with a rider racing 50,55b at Millville and Racer X vet series ? It’s not like I hv a huge advantage equipment wise racing a 04 cr125. I need back,neck and knee surgery so I,ll b a little banged up to start. 

Well, being a more experienced (Old here) rider I recall a long time ago we ran a split program. They would run the Minis, 100 (yeah that long ago), and all the Jr. Classes (125,250 & Open) in an early program. The Intermediates and Experts ran later. Typically the early program was done around 12-1 PM. Lots of mini dads got to home early to do other things. Tracks roughed up and the better/faster riders were more challenged as well. The second group got the luxury of sleeping in as well. Just another option to consider.

(Possibly) Unpopular opinion but if they ran some classes on Saturday I would be more than inclined to go racing more weekends, maybe some vet riders feel the same?

Vet racing needs a rider qualification representive . I vote for me since I,m the most qualified. I would b using a random process of vet b& c names in a hat. Joey looks like your racing vet A. But sir it’s my 1st race. The hat says your vet A , now stop crying and get on the line.  New payout structure it’s by the Lap, 200 bucks per lap. But rider must b leading at the finish line. Rider that lead 4 laps but another lead the final lap . That rider is docked 4 positions and does not win. Most laps lead is the winner. This system will create a flood of riders in Expert classes.