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Edited Date/Time 11/26/2022 2:47pm
Is f*cking awesome.
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kpersonius264 11/24/2022 7:27pm
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Still haven’t tried mine. Probably won’t ever now that I got my vortex in the bike.
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kpersonius264 wrote:
Still haven’t tried mine. Probably won’t ever now that I got my vortex in the bike.
I got a chance to mess with it today. It’s awesome. You should try it out.
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wwdiii 11/24/2022 8:04pm
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I’m not a KTM guy and had to google quick shift. The more I read about Austrian bikes the more impressed.
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bingerfang 11/24/2022 8:52pm
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wwdiii wrote:
I’m not a KTM guy and had to google quick shift. The more I read about Austrian bikes the more impressed.
Very underrated.
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#434 11/24/2022 9:49pm
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I haven’t ridden one with quick shift, but it just makes sense for moto. It’s easily half a tenth per upshift. If KTM has implemented it half decently, it should be a big improvement with no reasonable downside.
But you know how it goes with most moto guys and new tech…
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#434 wrote:
I haven’t ridden one with quick shift, but it just makes sense for moto. It’s easily half a tenth per upshift. If KTM has implemented it...
I haven’t ridden one with quick shift, but it just makes sense for moto. It’s easily half a tenth per upshift. If KTM has implemented it half decently, it should be a big improvement with no reasonable downside.
But you know how it goes with most moto guys and new tech…
I’m not a Moto guy, I race desert. It’s a really cool feature that I had no idea existed until I purchased my bike. It reminds me of driving a Porsche with PDK.
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Most late model bikes can be configured to use a quickshift sensor for full throttle upshifts.

However, you have to have an ECU capable of accepting a quickshift sensor. Most OEM ECUs can't support this.

Hardware wise, the easiest route to go would be an AiM Taipan ECU + Avio Race sensor (p/n 0801)

The Avio sensor installs directly onto the OEM shifter and then gets routed up into the ECU port.

You would then just need to connect the ECU to a PC and enable the quickshift option in the ECU maps that are being used.

So if you are willing to spend the money on the hardware, this can easily be done on a Yamaha, Honda, Kaw, etc.
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Is quick shift only on factory edition bikes?
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#434 11/25/2022 8:35am
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mxtech1 wrote:
Most late model bikes can be configured to use a quickshift sensor for full throttle upshifts. However, you have to have an ECU capable of accepting...
Most late model bikes can be configured to use a quickshift sensor for full throttle upshifts.

However, you have to have an ECU capable of accepting a quickshift sensor. Most OEM ECUs can't support this.

Hardware wise, the easiest route to go would be an AiM Taipan ECU + Avio Race sensor (p/n 0801)

The Avio sensor installs directly onto the OEM shifter and then gets routed up into the ECU port.

You would then just need to connect the ECU to a PC and enable the quickshift option in the ECU maps that are being used.

So if you are willing to spend the money on the hardware, this can easily be done on a Yamaha, Honda, Kaw, etc.
Seems awfully more complicated than just buying a stock bike.
And KTM has the sensor on the shift drum and therefore internally. So no chance of damaging that little wire hanging from the shifter…
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#434 11/25/2022 8:40am
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8tensolutions wrote:
Is quick shift only on factory edition bikes?
All 23 4T have it.
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mx4all 11/25/2022 11:34am
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Yeah I loved the quick shift too! Only thing I miss from the -23 I sold. And the engine. (350 sxf)
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Chris99Flannery 11/25/2022 7:58pm
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bingerfang wrote:
I’m not a Moto guy, I race desert. It’s a really cool feature that I had no idea existed until I purchased my bike. It reminds...
I’m not a Moto guy, I race desert. It’s a really cool feature that I had no idea existed until I purchased my bike. It reminds me of driving a Porsche with PDK.
Very similar to the Lambo Aventidor too. Miss that car.
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Bingslayer 11/25/2022 10:27pm
11/25/2022 10:27pm Edited Date/Time 11/25/2022 10:28pm
Well this sounds interesting…off to google I go.
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Motofinne 11/26/2022 3:42am
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It's very strange that quickshifts aren't more common. I would think that at least every factory team would use that technology especially for starts.
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Motofinne wrote:
It's very strange that quickshifts aren't more common. I would think that at least every factory team would use that technology especially for starts.
If they make a difference then all of the factories are already using them. Personally, I don’t see it being necessary for motocross or supercross. It’s a neat feature though.
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#434 11/26/2022 12:34pm
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Motofinne wrote:
It's very strange that quickshifts aren't more common. I would think that at least every factory team would use that technology especially for starts.
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If they make a difference then all of the factories are already using them. Personally, I don’t see it being necessary for motocross or supercross. It’s...
If they make a difference then all of the factories are already using them. Personally, I don’t see it being necessary for motocross or supercross. It’s a neat feature though.
Why do you think it isn’t necessary?
I think the advantages are obvious. If it works correctly, all you have to do is pull the lever and the next gear is there. No fear of being stuck between gears going into the face of a jump. And of course, you save time shifting.
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This one? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/25/578315/s1200_0CA8A3CB_83DA_438F_8560_AF50BBF51F4A.jpg[/img]
This one?


One of the most amazing pics EVER. Dungey was a freaking animal!
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#434 wrote:
Why do you think it isn’t necessary? I think the advantages are obvious. If it works correctly, all you have to do is pull the lever...
Why do you think it isn’t necessary?
I think the advantages are obvious. If it works correctly, all you have to do is pull the lever and the next gear is there. No fear of being stuck between gears going into the face of a jump. And of course, you save time shifting.
Motocross bikes are extremely easy and quick to shift even under load so it’s redundant when the rider can ever so slightly engage the clutch not even a quarter of the way in a millisecond himself. Starts usually have one shift I’d guess, possibly none in Supercross. Moto just isn’t really ever a drag race through the gears like road racing is.

I could be wrong but that’s my opinion. I’ll also say again that if it makes a difference then all of the factory would already be doing it.
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Motofinne 11/26/2022 2:15pm
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#434 wrote:
Why do you think it isn’t necessary? I think the advantages are obvious. If it works correctly, all you have to do is pull the lever...
Why do you think it isn’t necessary?
I think the advantages are obvious. If it works correctly, all you have to do is pull the lever and the next gear is there. No fear of being stuck between gears going into the face of a jump. And of course, you save time shifting.
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Motocross bikes are extremely easy and quick to shift even under load so it’s redundant when the rider can ever so slightly engage the clutch not...
Motocross bikes are extremely easy and quick to shift even under load so it’s redundant when the rider can ever so slightly engage the clutch not even a quarter of the way in a millisecond himself. Starts usually have one shift I’d guess, possibly none in Supercross. Moto just isn’t really ever a drag race through the gears like road racing is.

I could be wrong but that’s my opinion. I’ll also say again that if it makes a difference then all of the factory would already be doing it.
No way that you have raced and started on deeper sand tracks. Sometimes on some bikes it definitely isn't that easy to get an upshift when you want the bike to upshift high up in the RPMs.

Knowing how good a decent quickshifter works (Cordona QS on my GSX-R600), it's a nobrainer to have on at least in the starts if you can make it internal and safe from potential damage.
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Reduced wear to the clutch and transmission
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I'm a diehard 2 stroke fan and hate e-bikes, but even I can see the benefits of QuickShift. I think it's good.
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Motofinne wrote:
No way that you have raced and started on deeper sand tracks. Sometimes on some bikes it definitely isn't that easy to get an upshift when...
No way that you have raced and started on deeper sand tracks. Sometimes on some bikes it definitely isn't that easy to get an upshift when you want the bike to upshift high up in the RPMs.

Knowing how good a decent quickshifter works (Cordona QS on my GSX-R600), it's a nobrainer to have on at least in the starts if you can make it internal and safe from potential damage.
I’ve been racing since 1998 and my home track is very sandy. Laughing
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bingerfang 11/30/2022 6:24am
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Riddle me this…. The Quickshift comes on the KTM 350 SXF but not the 350XCF. However, it comes on the Husqvarna 350FC and 350FX…. Wtf lol

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If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be slower since it momentarily cuts the engine.  That being said, it seems most KTM 4-strokes are reluctant to shift under load and heavy throttle.

Now, if they made it where the QS functioned on the start only, that would be a nice option.  Most would agree that's the only/main place they would want QS anyway.  And it actually can become a liability on other parts of the track as people have stated the shifter can accidentally get bumped in a rut or by a boot.   Would be cool if KTM tied the QS function to the launch mode function so that they both deactivate after the start.

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FGR01 wrote:
If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be...

If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be slower since it momentarily cuts the engine.  That being said, it seems most KTM 4-strokes are reluctant to shift under load and heavy throttle.

Now, if they made it where the QS functioned on the start only, that would be a nice option.  Most would agree that's the only/main place they would want QS anyway.  And it actually can become a liability on other parts of the track as people have stated the shifter can accidentally get bumped in a rut or by a boot.   Would be cool if KTM tied the QS function to the launch mode function so that they both deactivate after the start.

I was thinking what if a rock/roost bumps the shifter on a jump face, or you accidentally bump it with you boot, rut etc.  Could be sketchy but I don’t know how it works, those thoughts just popped in my mind

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bingerfang 11/30/2022 7:35am
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FGR01 wrote:
If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be...

If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be slower since it momentarily cuts the engine.  That being said, it seems most KTM 4-strokes are reluctant to shift under load and heavy throttle.

Now, if they made it where the QS functioned on the start only, that would be a nice option.  Most would agree that's the only/main place they would want QS anyway.  And it actually can become a liability on other parts of the track as people have stated the shifter can accidentally get bumped in a rut or by a boot.   Would be cool if KTM tied the QS function to the launch mode function so that they both deactivate after the start.

If it was slower I don’t understand why every single MotoGP guy would be running it. I understand what you’re saying but you really can’t comprehend how awesome it is until you use it yourself. 
 

I didn’t even know the bike had it when I bought it so I am as unbiased as possible.  

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BobPA 11/30/2022 9:41am
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FGR01 wrote:
If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be...

If you have a bike that will shift with the throttle on under load, then there is no need for QS and QS would actually be slower since it momentarily cuts the engine.  That being said, it seems most KTM 4-strokes are reluctant to shift under load and heavy throttle.

Now, if they made it where the QS functioned on the start only, that would be a nice option.  Most would agree that's the only/main place they would want QS anyway.  And it actually can become a liability on other parts of the track as people have stated the shifter can accidentally get bumped in a rut or by a boot.   Would be cool if KTM tied the QS function to the launch mode function so that they both deactivate after the start.

I have never in my life owned a bike that would shift under full power. They always took a bump of the clutch or a blip of the throttle. I think the guys claiming that they can full power upshift are subconsciously letting off a bit to shift. Sequential gear boxes are not designed for full-throttle shifting, it is very hard on the dogs if you try it and is certainly not a consistent way to shift.

 

It is funny, I had to test-ride an 850cc BMW motorcycle at work yesterday. It was equipped with a quick shifter. Even just cruising up the road was awesome. It is amazing how smooth shifts are, all you have to do is move your foot and it seamlessly shifted. I cannot see how anyone could argue against it after trying it. Those MotoGP guys must be wrong for using it.

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Falcon 11/30/2022 11:25am
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I'd like to try one and see. Honestly, I can't find fault with the shifting of any bike I've owned since my '82 RM80, so I don't see how much faster it can possibly get. But who knows? 

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SGoodman 11/30/2022 11:51am
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My time with KTM quickshift comes from their 690 ADV bike..... barely touching the shifter would change the RPM of the engine in an odd manner, and when in tight/gnarly stuff that required precise throttle control, there just wasn't any precision to it (80 HP in tight woods with wonky throttle is ZERO fun i can assure you)... I've heard the moto models don't have the awkward RPM changes when barely touching the shifter... hopefully that's the case.... 

 

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