New 2023 YZ450F

mxengineer1
Profile picture for user mxengineer1
Posts
67
Joined
9/17/2015
Location
Dublin, OH US
mxengineer1 11/15/2022 2:42pm
11/15/2022 2:42pm
My dealer showed me the 11/11/22 update letter from Yamaha on the status of '23 YZ450F deliveries which shows late December...


2
tek14
Profile picture for user tek14
Posts
4927
Joined
1/26/2014
Location
Vantaa FI
tek14 11/17/2022 12:35am
11/17/2022 12:35am
Well seems it will be same in EU.
First it was late November then early December and today got mail it will be mid-January 2023.
1
PRY
Profile picture for user PRY
Posts
32
Joined
9/1/2021
Location
GB
PRY 11/17/2022 2:08pm
11/17/2022 2:08pm
UK January 2023 delivery with a retail price increase of £400 on the original release price.
lumpy790
Profile picture for user lumpy790
Posts
11439
Joined
9/18/2007
Location
York, SC US
lumpy790 11/17/2022 3:18pm
11/17/2022 3:18pm
Sounding like release after A1 so will the Yamaha backed teams get them earlier to set up and test?
3

The Shop

See All »
Dirt.Squirt
Profile picture for user Dirt.Squirt
Posts
1433
Joined
1/5/2022
Location
The Low-Dez, OR US
Dirt.Squirt 11/17/2022 3:32pm
11/17/2022 3:32pm
I’d assume so as tomac said in Paris he’s gonna start riding one as soon as he gets home
soggy
Profile picture for user soggy
Posts
8755
Joined
12/3/2018
Location
UT US
soggy 11/17/2022 5:36pm
11/17/2022 5:36pm
lumpy790 wrote:
Sounding like release after A1 so will the Yamaha backed teams get them earlier to set up and test?
They’ve had them for a month now
1
lumpy790
Profile picture for user lumpy790
Posts
11439
Joined
9/18/2007
Location
York, SC US
lumpy790 11/18/2022 9:40am
11/18/2022 9:40am
lumpy790 wrote:
Sounding like release after A1 so will the Yamaha backed teams get them earlier to set up and test?
soggy wrote:
They’ve had them for a month now
Strange if they have them you would think they would be in the warehouses here too.

Privateers will probably either jump brands or ride the old 22
3
soggy
Profile picture for user soggy
Posts
8755
Joined
12/3/2018
Location
UT US
soggy 11/18/2022 10:03am
11/18/2022 10:03am
lumpy790 wrote:
Sounding like release after A1 so will the Yamaha backed teams get them earlier to set up and test?
soggy wrote:
They’ve had them for a month now
lumpy790 wrote:
Strange if they have them you would think they would be in the warehouses here too. Privateers will probably either jump brands or ride the old...
Strange if they have them you would think they would be in the warehouses here too.

Privateers will probably either jump brands or ride the old 22
Team bikes were likely sent over with the media/test bikes. If not before. Easier to ship low numbers of bikes quickly.
1
Shredder
Profile picture for user Shredder
Posts
225
Joined
9/25/2006
Location
Concord, NC US
Fantasy
782nd
Shredder 11/18/2022 10:25am
11/18/2022 10:25am
Anybody hear about 2 of the media bikes blowing up this week?
1
8
douglasredding 11/18/2022 11:28am
11/18/2022 11:28am Edited Date/Time 11/18/2022 11:29am
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

9
1
Kris Keefer
Profile picture for user Kris Keefer
Posts
149
Joined
4/17/2017
Location
Hi-Dez, CA, CA US
Kris Keefer 11/18/2022 12:11pm
11/18/2022 12:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2022 12:12pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability, so the 22 is more stable to me at this time (only have ridden twice out west and once back east). If you hoped your 22 would corner better then it sounds like you are a candidate to love the 23 YZ450F. My 2022 is dialed in so to me it just depends on how much money you want to spend or save. I just did an updated 2.0 video, that will be up on Racer X that will go over a couple key areas that are different on the track compared to a 22.

Also, just FYI. I don't get BRO deals on Yamahas. HAHA! I get one test bike from Yamaha and if I want another bike for my personal reasons, I pay for one through Power Motorsports. Good deal, but not a "BRO" deal.
31
tek14
Profile picture for user tek14
Posts
4927
Joined
1/26/2014
Location
Vantaa FI
tek14 11/18/2022 12:15pm
11/18/2022 12:15pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

Kris Keefer wrote:
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability...
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability, so the 22 is more stable to me at this time (only have ridden twice out west and once back east). If you hoped your 22 would corner better then it sounds like you are a candidate to love the 23 YZ450F. My 2022 is dialed in so to me it just depends on how much money you want to spend or save. I just did an updated 2.0 video, that will be up on Racer X that will go over a couple key areas that are different on the track compared to a 22.

Also, just FYI. I don't get BRO deals on Yamahas. HAHA! I get one test bike from Yamaha and if I want another bike for my personal reasons, I pay for one through Power Motorsports. Good deal, but not a "BRO" deal.
Do you have info if delays are just shipment related or other reasons like replacing parts?
By the info everyone shared 23 model should be step in right direction even 22 was great bike.
Kris Keefer
Profile picture for user Kris Keefer
Posts
149
Joined
4/17/2017
Location
Hi-Dez, CA, CA US
Kris Keefer 11/18/2022 12:20pm
11/18/2022 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2022 12:28pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

Kris Keefer wrote:
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability...
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability, so the 22 is more stable to me at this time (only have ridden twice out west and once back east). If you hoped your 22 would corner better then it sounds like you are a candidate to love the 23 YZ450F. My 2022 is dialed in so to me it just depends on how much money you want to spend or save. I just did an updated 2.0 video, that will be up on Racer X that will go over a couple key areas that are different on the track compared to a 22.

Also, just FYI. I don't get BRO deals on Yamahas. HAHA! I get one test bike from Yamaha and if I want another bike for my personal reasons, I pay for one through Power Motorsports. Good deal, but not a "BRO" deal.
tek14 wrote:
Do you have info if delays are just shipment related or other reasons like replacing parts? By the info everyone shared 23 model should be step...
Do you have info if delays are just shipment related or other reasons like replacing parts?
By the info everyone shared 23 model should be step in right direction even 22 was great bike.
As far as I know, it's just shipment delays. I have heard rumors of clutch issues, but have asked around and those seem to be just that, "rumors". I have ridden my test bike and am fairly abusive on clutches and seems ok so far. I do think it takes some time to "feel" out a new machine, especially when the platform is this different, compared to what we have been riding for the past few years. A lot of things are better on the 23 and some things feel quite a bit different. I for one am not going to sit here and say IT IS THE BEST 450 EVER... Yet.. If you go back to my first impression video, I was cautious and told the viewer that I didn't want to get all caught up yet in the newness hype. I have been guilty of that in the past, and I don't want to do that again. I will go step by step on what I feel and how it has grown on me or not grown on me. What I do to make it better. What I do/did to make it worse (if I did, go the wrong way on a setting). This is how I am going to slow roll this sucker.
12
douglasredding 11/18/2022 12:40pm
11/18/2022 12:40pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

Kris Keefer wrote:
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability...
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability, so the 22 is more stable to me at this time (only have ridden twice out west and once back east). If you hoped your 22 would corner better then it sounds like you are a candidate to love the 23 YZ450F. My 2022 is dialed in so to me it just depends on how much money you want to spend or save. I just did an updated 2.0 video, that will be up on Racer X that will go over a couple key areas that are different on the track compared to a 22.

Also, just FYI. I don't get BRO deals on Yamahas. HAHA! I get one test bike from Yamaha and if I want another bike for my personal reasons, I pay for one through Power Motorsports. Good deal, but not a "BRO" deal.
Thanks for jumping in, Keefer. We talked briefly while you were on the gate at World VETs....not the best time to have a meaningful conversation, lol. Always appreciate your reviews. Probably a closer perspective for the "common man", like most of us on Vital.

DR484
4
2
Cayden Thompson 11/18/2022 1:00pm
11/18/2022 1:00pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

Kris Keefer wrote:
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability...
The 23 does feel different from the 22, but is that difference worth 2-3K? Depending on what you want out of your Yamaha? I like stability, so the 22 is more stable to me at this time (only have ridden twice out west and once back east). If you hoped your 22 would corner better then it sounds like you are a candidate to love the 23 YZ450F. My 2022 is dialed in so to me it just depends on how much money you want to spend or save. I just did an updated 2.0 video, that will be up on Racer X that will go over a couple key areas that are different on the track compared to a 22.

Also, just FYI. I don't get BRO deals on Yamahas. HAHA! I get one test bike from Yamaha and if I want another bike for my personal reasons, I pay for one through Power Motorsports. Good deal, but not a "BRO" deal.
Power Motorsports in Sublimity, OR?
1
quadzrulebro 11/18/2022 1:07pm
11/18/2022 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2022 1:07pm
douglasredding wrote:
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f. Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or...
Had a chance to talk with Doug Dubach and Kris Keefer about the 22' vs 23' YZ450f.

Question to both: "is the 2023 good enough, or different enough to justify the purchase if you own a 22'?"

Dubach, "Yes. It's a better platform to start with. Noticeably slimmer, lighter and the motor pulls better throughout the entire RPM range. It's just a better bike."

Keefer, "No, once you get your 22' dialed in...the 23' didn't feel different enough to justify the purchase. I would keep my 22'."

I'm sure Dubach is still finding YZ's under his Christmas tree each year with all the DEV work he's done with them while Keefer is likely just getting "bro-pricing" on one. But Dubach has always seemed like a pretty fair and honest dude with me....

DR484

Sorta like how Pingree thought it was the greatest bike he ever rode as he walked out to the mailbox to collect his Whiskey Throttle Show check from Yamaha.
7
4
BAD10
Profile picture for user BAD10
Posts
1135
Joined
1/3/2009
Location
San Diego, CA US
BAD10 11/18/2022 3:08pm
11/18/2022 3:08pm
Yeah I'm gonna go with the overwhelming majority of testers that seem to love the bike so far, and not just the one killjoy. lol. I'm confident once its set up for my weight it will be much better than my 19.
Adam43
Profile picture for user Adam43
Posts
3309
Joined
8/16/2006
Location
WF
Adam43 11/18/2022 6:34pm
11/18/2022 6:34pm
Reading between the lines, it sounds like this thing may have picked up a degree of instability-oversteer-stinkbug feel that makes me a bit nervous.

There are plenty of voices saying this is the best thing ever (some of them paid by Blue), and a few whispers that it's a bit snakey.

I love my current YZ450 and the stability is my favorite aspect, apart from the engine. And I'm still traumatized from the '09 CRF450 when they went way too far in this direction.

Will have to decide soon, riding blue either way, and the demand for this 23 is intense.
1
3

Pit Row

See All »
PRY
Profile picture for user PRY
Posts
32
Joined
9/1/2021
Location
GB
PRY 11/18/2022 7:14pm
11/18/2022 7:14pm Edited Date/Time 11/20/2022 11:21pm
Far be it for me to say that other people's review of a bike is wrong. It's all a matter of opinion, but having had an hour on the bike, I experienced no instability-oversteer-stinkbug feel. It felt very familiar to my 22, but with improved cornering, that is it was easier to lay over into corners with less tendency to want to stand up mid corner, while still having the straight line stability I required.
The biggest issue I have with the 22 is the vague feeling in front wheel traction. I did not have that feeling on the 23, all the while the bike had the same confident feel at speed in a straight line.
There is a lot to like about the 22, but it feels like a sledge hammer compared to the 23 model. For me, the 23 keeps me buying blue.
10
racerxx276
Profile picture for user racerxx276
Posts
253
Joined
10/22/2015
Location
Boise, ID US
racerxx276 11/20/2022 2:48pm
11/20/2022 2:48pm
Shredder wrote:
Anybody hear about 2 of the media bikes blowing up this week?
I heard that too from a good source. Something about the rod letting go on both bikes...

I've actually ridden one, it's not worth all the hype...
13
centralcalmx 11/20/2022 3:37pm
11/20/2022 3:37pm
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

5
Moto88
Profile picture for user Moto88
Posts
344
Joined
12/6/2015
Location
TX US
Moto88 11/21/2022 1:49pm
11/21/2022 1:49pm
centralcalmx wrote:
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/20/577588/s1200_6B142F9C_0824_464C_975E_1A62E5A6EDF1.jpg[/img]
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

Assuming your chain just slid off guide or might you have a potential issue?
3
centralcalmx 11/21/2022 3:02pm
11/21/2022 3:02pm
centralcalmx wrote:
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/20/577588/s1200_6B142F9C_0824_464C_975E_1A62E5A6EDF1.jpg[/img]
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

Moto88 wrote:
Assuming your chain just slid off guide or might you have a potential issue?
I saw that after I posted and was waiting for this Smile
Yes just popped over after wash Smile
1
wm741
Profile picture for user wm741
Posts
297
Joined
12/10/2010
Location
Magnolia, TX US
Fantasy
631st
wm741 11/21/2022 7:27pm
11/21/2022 7:27pm
centralcalmx wrote:
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/20/577588/s1200_6B142F9C_0824_464C_975E_1A62E5A6EDF1.jpg[/img]
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

What all you got so far? I’ve been building my pile as well. Can’t wait for this thing to show up
centralcalmx 11/21/2022 7:48pm
11/21/2022 7:48pm
centralcalmx wrote:
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/20/577588/s1200_6B142F9C_0824_464C_975E_1A62E5A6EDF1.jpg[/img]
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

wm741 wrote:
What all you got so far? I’ve been building my pile as well. Can’t wait for this thing to show up
A lot of Ti bolts, folding levers, ti pegs, shifter, brake pedal, chain guard, bars.
Pretty much most of what I did on my 22 YZ 250.
1
wm741
Profile picture for user wm741
Posts
297
Joined
12/10/2010
Location
Magnolia, TX US
Fantasy
631st
wm741 11/21/2022 8:08pm
11/21/2022 8:08pm
centralcalmx wrote:
A lot of Ti bolts, folding levers, ti pegs, shifter, brake pedal, chain guard, bars. Pretty much most of what I did on my 22 YZ...
A lot of Ti bolts, folding levers, ti pegs, shifter, brake pedal, chain guard, bars.
Pretty much most of what I did on my 22 YZ 250.
What pegs did you get? Anyone making them yet?
newmason
Profile picture for user newmason
Posts
210
Joined
6/20/2019
Location
Draper, UT US
newmason 11/21/2022 8:17pm
11/21/2022 8:17pm
Keefer will have a 2023 once they become public. No "professional tester" is sitting on bikes from years prior... They have to stay relevant or the sponsor dollars don't roll in.
4
tek14
Profile picture for user tek14
Posts
4927
Joined
1/26/2014
Location
Vantaa FI
tek14 11/21/2022 11:25pm
11/21/2022 11:25pm
centralcalmx wrote:
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/20/577588/s1200_6B142F9C_0824_464C_975E_1A62E5A6EDF1.jpg[/img]
Pile of parts waiting for mine to come in

wm741 wrote:
What all you got so far? I’ve been building my pile as well. Can’t wait for this thing to show up
centralcalmx wrote:
A lot of Ti bolts, folding levers, ti pegs, shifter, brake pedal, chain guard, bars. Pretty much most of what I did on my 22 YZ...
A lot of Ti bolts, folding levers, ti pegs, shifter, brake pedal, chain guard, bars.
Pretty much most of what I did on my 22 YZ 250.
Anyone have Ti bolt sets ready?
1
burn1986
Profile picture for user burn1986
Posts
12246
Joined
4/16/2010
Location
bossier city, LA US
burn1986 11/22/2022 12:12am
11/22/2022 12:12am
Front fender ideas?
2

Post a reply to: New 2023 YZ450F