Suzuki’s can still win..

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Because of what reason exactly? The weight? Any top team will easily trim it to fighting weight with titanium, carbon fibre and other tricks. Power? Any...

Because of what reason exactly?

The weight? Any top team will easily trim it to fighting weight with titanium, carbon fibre and other tricks.

Power? Any top team will easily be able to eek out more power than any 450 rider needs.

Kickstart? Is that all you’ve got?



The bike itself wouldn’t be the limiting factor. The team operating it, however, might be.

Bruce372 wrote:

Have you owned a rmz450?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Three. Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain. Although, I’ve recently seen this...

Three.
Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain.

Although, I’ve recently seen this up for sale and I really quite fancy it. It looks mint and the 06 Is dear to my heart. Four speed loveliness!

Bruce372 wrote:

Have you owned any modern 450s from other brands?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Three. Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain. Although, I’ve recently seen this...

Three.
Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain.

Although, I’ve recently seen this up for sale and I really quite fancy it. It looks mint and the 06 Is dear to my heart. Four speed loveliness!

seth505 wrote:

A-mart podiumed on the RMZ but couldn't on the fire breathing YZF. Baggett first looked like a real solid sx rider on the RMZ 450. Apparently...

A-mart podiumed on the RMZ but couldn't on the fire breathing YZF.

Baggett first looked like a real solid sx rider on the RMZ 450.

Apparently Savatgy doesn't want the ride the RMZ again but he did no worse on it. To his credit, he must be more comfy on the KXF.

Max Anstie did no better on the SX-F

Bogle did no better (actually worse) on the SX-F

There are usually 2-4 RMZs on the line max and 1-2 of those slow ass bikes are always top 5-10 on the start.

Roczen won a damn championship on the outdated RMZ 450 (that was similar to what came out centuries ago in 2008)

etc...

#haterswelcome

250 cross wrote:

Didn't Bogle win a moto or at least podium not that many years ago?

Bruce372 wrote:

Have you owned a rmz450?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Three. Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain. Although, I’ve recently seen this...

Three.
Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain.

Although, I’ve recently seen this up for sale and I really quite fancy it. It looks mint and the 06 Is dear to my heart. Four speed loveliness!

Bruce372 wrote:

Have you owned any modern 450s from other brands?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Three. Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain. Although, I’ve recently seen this...

Three.
Not a 2018+ though. Yet. I keep making cheeky offers on good used ones, but haven’t yet snagged a bargain.

Although, I’ve recently seen this up for sale and I really quite fancy it. It looks mint and the 06 Is dear to my heart. Four speed loveliness!

Bruce372 wrote:

Have you owned any modern 450s from other brands?

Sandusky26 wrote:

I have.

fourfourone wrote:

It shows he went 5-5

https://racerxonline.com/results/2020/loretta-lynns-national/250

jamiechapman418 wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/09/576130/s1200_AMART.jpg[/img]

fourfourone wrote:

ahh got it.

Perfect track for a zook, you don't need any power.

fourfourone wrote:

When was the last time a Suzuki was on the podium in a SX or MX race?

Ed_C29 wrote:

Suzuki is basically career ending suicide at this point for any top tier rider looking for a possible championship run. I guess it’s better than not...

Suzuki is basically career ending suicide at this point for any top tier rider looking for a possible championship run. I guess it’s better than not racing though!

Jrey2 wrote:

How? Is it the really strong low end the motors naturally produce, or the amazing chassis they have? Which one of these things is career suicide...

How? Is it the really strong low end the motors naturally produce, or the amazing chassis they have? Which one of these things is career suicide? Possibly the bulletproof transmissions?

mike83 wrote:

Whoa, nothing to say about Suzuki's here...but good to see another moto dude down in my neck of the woods. Not many of us down here...

Whoa, nothing to say about Suzuki's here...but good to see another moto dude down in my neck of the woods. Not many of us down here in the lower keys!

fourfourone wrote:

When was the last time a Suzuki was on the podium in a SX or MX race?

Moto Nomad wrote:

Ever check out the win gap on the YZF450 after James Stewart? It was years and years before they even won a main again.

blockhead17 wrote:

So many people trash the Suzuki’s on here, yeah they still have a Kickstarter, but FFS it doesn’t mean anything, the right rider can easily win...

So many people trash the Suzuki’s on here, yeah they still have a Kickstarter, but FFS it doesn’t mean anything, the right rider can easily win on one.
Remember the Yamaha was a big fat blue pig until Dylan and Eli started riding for them, now all of a sudden the Yamaha’s are amazing.
I really hope Kenny ends up on one to show everyone the bike is more than capable of winning.

Alex814 wrote:

Does anyone remember the 2016 outdoor season? The other 450s have not improved THAT much to completely ignore his dominance that summer on Suzuki.

fourfourone wrote:

When was the last time a Suzuki was on the podium in a SX or MX race?

Ed_C29 wrote:

Suzuki is basically career ending suicide at this point for any top tier rider looking for a possible championship run. I guess it’s better than not...

Suzuki is basically career ending suicide at this point for any top tier rider looking for a possible championship run. I guess it’s better than not racing though!

jamiechapman418 wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/09/576130/s1200_AMART.jpg[/img]

fourfourone wrote:

ahh got it.

Perfect track for a zook, you don't need any power.

Press516 wrote:

Yeah, the Zook's have no power... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/10/576243/s1200_A1_Alex_Martin.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/10/576244/s1200_200817_Joey_Savatgy_17_and_Fredrik_Noren_31_lead_the_way_on_their_Suzuki_RM_Z450s_678.jpg[/img]

Yeah, the Zook's have no power...

fourfourone wrote:

It shows he went 5-5

https://racerxonline.com/results/2020/loretta-lynns-national/250

jamiechapman418 wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/09/576130/s1200_AMART.jpg[/img]

fourfourone wrote:

ahh got it.

Perfect track for a zook, you don't need any power.

jamiechapman418 wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/09/576130/s1200_AMART.jpg[/img]

fourfourone wrote:

ahh got it.

Perfect track for a zook, you don't need any power.

Mr. Afterbar wrote:

Alex jumped the leap on a RMZ 250 and routinely did big rhythms in SX that other riders couldn’t or wouldn’t. You just sound foolish.

Tumic wrote:

With all the ”the Suzuki is so outdated” posts, what is outdated beside the lack of electric start?. NOTHING innovative has come on any other bike...

With all the ”the Suzuki is so outdated” posts, what is outdated beside the lack of electric start?.

NOTHING innovative has come on any other bike that the Suzuki lacks.

The reason that Suzuki lacks wins is not the bikes, it’s the riders. With little to none factory support, how can you afford a top level rider? Ofc Suzuki lacks wins with one team on the grid with mid level riders. Or do people in here belive that the Suzuki riders would win if they were on a different bike?..

#434 wrote:

Just to make sure..Are we talking about the same RMZ 450? You know the one that’s the heaviest, slowest and worst suspended in its class with...

Just to make sure..Are we talking about the same RMZ 450? You know the one that’s the heaviest, slowest and worst suspended in its class with the most outdated engine design? From the same Suzuki that didn’t invest one penny into development and racing in the last 5 years and that’s abandoned high performance motorcycles all together this year?

#434 wrote:

Just to make sure..Are we talking about the same RMZ 450? You know the one that’s the heaviest, slowest and worst suspended in its class with...

Just to make sure..Are we talking about the same RMZ 450? You know the one that’s the heaviest, slowest and worst suspended in its class with the most outdated engine design? From the same Suzuki that didn’t invest one penny into development and racing in the last 5 years and that’s abandoned high performance motorcycles all together this year?

Tumic wrote:

Oh so they race on stock bikes? Complaining that a 450 is slow when 250’s putting down faster lap times than 450’s pretty often? Pretty sure...

Oh so they race on stock bikes?

Complaining that a 450 is slow when 250’s putting down faster lap times than 450’s pretty often? Pretty sure that the ”lack” of HP can be solved.

Weight? If there only were some titanium, carbon and magnesium to solve that problem.. oh there is!
People still bitch about the crf250 being slow and heavy and yet Jett have won some titles on it against the ”superior” Star Yamahas..

Worst suspended? Do the other bikes run stock suspension?

Tell me again exact WHAT the other brands have beside a button to start the bike (that also adds weight).

It’s not like in the mid 80’s when husky still ran air cooled twin shock bikes with drum brakes while the other brands were water cooled, linkage mono shock and disk brakes.

As i said, nothing innovative have happened that the Suzuki lacks..

thatswhathappens wrote:

It’s funny to me how much more passionate Suzuki fans are about Suzukis than Suzuki themselves.

Tumic wrote:

With all the ”the Suzuki is so outdated” posts, what is outdated beside the lack of electric start?. NOTHING innovative has come on any other bike...

With all the ”the Suzuki is so outdated” posts, what is outdated beside the lack of electric start?.

NOTHING innovative has come on any other bike that the Suzuki lacks.

The reason that Suzuki lacks wins is not the bikes, it’s the riders. With little to none factory support, how can you afford a top level rider? Ofc Suzuki lacks wins with one team on the grid with mid level riders. Or do people in here belive that the Suzuki riders would win if they were on a different bike?..

thatswhathappens wrote:

It’s funny to me how much more passionate Suzuki fans are about Suzukis than Suzuki themselves.

#434 wrote:

There are 5 stages of grief: Suzuki has accepted its fate, but their fans are still in the denial stage. Some have already made it to...

There are 5 stages of grief: Suzuki has accepted its fate, but their fans are still in the denial stage. Some have already made it to stage 2. .