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$637.44 are the state taxes.
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alphado 11/4/2022 10:45am
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Isn't the demand starting to go down? Shouldn't prices follow?
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alphado wrote:
Isn't the demand starting to go down? Shouldn't prices follow?
One would think as demand goes down prices would follow, but the dealers here is Texas make their money off SxS and ATV sales, not dirt bike sales. It’s my understanding people are still buying ATV/SxS for hunting and recreation.

Lots of high end near new camo SxS’s in my hood. Refining and Chemical plant workers in Houston area have money and will spend lots for deer hunting.
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alphado wrote:
Just got this quote for a 2022 Honda CRF450L. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/04/575626/s1200_Screenshot_2022_11_04_114539.jpg[/img]
Just got this quote for a 2022 Honda CRF450L.


Honda surcharge? WTF wouldn’t that be MSRP???
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yz763 11/4/2022 12:20pm
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$12,400 OTD on a 2023 KTM 300xc TBI.
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Dang man, I got my 250 for 11200.
I might have mentioned it in the 350 thread but this is a very close friends dealership and he isn’t getting much inventory wise this year. I’m in a good position with my business and I’m all about supporting a local dealer and value the relationship. He got Ducati to warranty a whole motor and transmission at 21k miles on a 2012 Streetfighter S when they easily could have told me it was a maintenance issue. He’s always had my back and we have a 20+ year relationship that I value more than money.
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We charge MSRP, freight (which the manufacturer charges), setup in the shop, and a doc fee of 149. If there is room to work on a deal or enough inventory we most certainly cut deals. Nothing more. nothing less. With the limited inventory we are still getting we still have to keep the doors open, lights on, and employees paid somehow. We tell people "out the door price" includes everything you need to take the bike out of here and ride it that day. Which it 100 percent does.

Hidden fees are bullshit and other dealers try to suck you in by lying. Truth is, manufactures could do more to help with but they don't give a crap nor do they act like they can help control the BS tactics of some less honest dealerships. We've done that pricing since before this Rona bullshit started and I can tell you we aren't (and never were) cutting the fat hog so to speak. As an owner in the motorsports business I'd entertain selling this place in a second. It just isn't worth the stress we endure nor having clowns berate you trying to make a living off the prices we have.

So go ahead and flame away for the prices we have, dealerships have to make money or they just don't survive. Then what? It's only fair to be able to make living at it??? VERY few of the general customer have even a clue what it takes to keep a business like this open and going. No fucking clue about inventory costs/availability, leasing/owning a building, advertising, insurance/liabilites, taxes, employees, payroll, phones/internet, donations, ect, ect, ect/ It never stops/ I'm into this place for a shit load of money! All the risk is on s owner's shoulders, this place folds and I lose my fucking house! Lots of dealerships are the very same way. Someone with a passion for motorsports is risking everything for a sport they love. Why shouldn't we make money doing that when we take that risk????

ok, rant over. I've spoke my peace. Let's bitch about Vince Friese again for a while instead...
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alphado wrote:
Just got this quote for a 2022 Honda CRF450L. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/04/575626/s1200_Screenshot_2022_11_04_114539.jpg[/img]
Just got this quote for a 2022 Honda CRF450L.


Walk away, yet run away. Economy is unwinding fast. Wait till Feb and offer them 8500$.
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JBecker 72 11/4/2022 1:24pm
11/4/2022 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 11/4/2022 1:27pm
Purchased my 2021 YZ250F in March of 2021 and this was the deal I got at Romney Cycles.



I’m working out a deal now for a Honda street bike and that’s gonna be right at MSRP including tax and freight.
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Janus9 11/4/2022 5:14pm
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Purchased my 2021 YZ250F in March of 2021 and this was the deal I got at Romney Cycles. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/11/04/575654/s1200_428E0259_20A7_4072_8B85_9D6CC2F66601.jpg[/img] I’m working out a deal now for...
Purchased my 2021 YZ250F in March of 2021 and this was the deal I got at Romney Cycles.



I’m working out a deal now for a Honda street bike and that’s gonna be right at MSRP including tax and freight.
That’s what I always shoot for, no more than msrp out the door, and haven’t paid more yet.
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What are you guys paying for fees over MSRP right now? I just got a quote for a 22 KX450 that's listed for $6,500 at $8,778...
What are you guys paying for fees over MSRP right now? I just got a quote for a 22 KX450 that's listed for $6,500 at $8,778 OTD.

$2,300 in fees lol wtf. I am used to paying whatever state sales tax plus the freight fee or whatever but never more than that. Was thinking like a grand over list price for OTD.

I am talking recent purchases too (not covid era where dealers were trying to hit the lotto with every sale).
Make them write the whole deal up and get all the way to signing……but walk out!
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Ryno23 wrote:
We charge MSRP, freight (which the manufacturer charges), setup in the shop, and a doc fee of 149. If there is room to work on a...
We charge MSRP, freight (which the manufacturer charges), setup in the shop, and a doc fee of 149. If there is room to work on a deal or enough inventory we most certainly cut deals. Nothing more. nothing less. With the limited inventory we are still getting we still have to keep the doors open, lights on, and employees paid somehow. We tell people "out the door price" includes everything you need to take the bike out of here and ride it that day. Which it 100 percent does.

Hidden fees are bullshit and other dealers try to suck you in by lying. Truth is, manufactures could do more to help with but they don't give a crap nor do they act like they can help control the BS tactics of some less honest dealerships. We've done that pricing since before this Rona bullshit started and I can tell you we aren't (and never were) cutting the fat hog so to speak. As an owner in the motorsports business I'd entertain selling this place in a second. It just isn't worth the stress we endure nor having clowns berate you trying to make a living off the prices we have.

So go ahead and flame away for the prices we have, dealerships have to make money or they just don't survive. Then what? It's only fair to be able to make living at it??? VERY few of the general customer have even a clue what it takes to keep a business like this open and going. No fucking clue about inventory costs/availability, leasing/owning a building, advertising, insurance/liabilites, taxes, employees, payroll, phones/internet, donations, ect, ect, ect/ It never stops/ I'm into this place for a shit load of money! All the risk is on s owner's shoulders, this place folds and I lose my fucking house! Lots of dealerships are the very same way. Someone with a passion for motorsports is risking everything for a sport they love. Why shouldn't we make money doing that when we take that risk????

ok, rant over. I've spoke my peace. Let's bitch about Vince Friese again for a while instead...
I hear you, and it sucks it’s such a hard business, but most of the people on here would rather click some buttons and pick up a crated bike than walk into a dealership. To us, dealers are a hurdle, not a value add. It’s why people don’t like added fees, they don’t value the dealership. Sad but true.
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Langhammx 11/4/2022 8:33pm
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yz763 wrote:
$12,400 OTD on a 2023 KTM 300xc TBI.
That’s a very good deal. (By todays standards)
What’s your sales tax rate ?
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yz763 11/4/2022 8:52pm
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$12,400 OTD on a 2023 KTM 300xc TBI.
Langhammx wrote:
That’s a very good deal. (By todays standards)
What’s your sales tax rate ?
7.5%.
Langhammx 11/4/2022 9:00pm
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7.5%.
9.5% here. I paid right around the same, after factoring in the difference in rate. Crazy expensive, the ‘23 SXF450 was cheaper.
I’m picking up my SX300 tomorrow afternoon, they are $1800 cheaper (retail listed price)

Feeling a little better about the SX price, but they are proud of the XC for sure
I called around to see what dealers were asking and it ranged from $13,300 - $15,700 OTD.
Some of these dealers were really high, but they gotta pay their rent too. I get it…
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yz763 11/4/2022 9:30pm
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9.5% here. I paid right around the same, after factoring in the difference in rate. Crazy expensive, the ‘23 SXF450 was cheaper. I’m picking up my...
9.5% here. I paid right around the same, after factoring in the difference in rate. Crazy expensive, the ‘23 SXF450 was cheaper.
I’m picking up my SX300 tomorrow afternoon, they are $1800 cheaper (retail listed price)

Feeling a little better about the SX price, but they are proud of the XC for sure
I called around to see what dealers were asking and it ranged from $13,300 - $15,700 OTD.
Some of these dealers were really high, but they gotta pay their rent too. I get it…
I totally get it too. I think I remember hearing KTM saying the XC line is their best selling and most popular line from all of the off road product offering. As I mentioned earlier, I’m all about supporting the local dealer and I’m not here to beat them up. I may not have got a zero deal but I’m happy with my deal.
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Langhammx 11/4/2022 9:46pm
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I totally get it too. I think I remember hearing KTM saying the XC line is their best selling and most popular line from all of...
I totally get it too. I think I remember hearing KTM saying the XC line is their best selling and most popular line from all of the off road product offering. As I mentioned earlier, I’m all about supporting the local dealer and I’m not here to beat them up. I may not have got a zero deal but I’m happy with my deal.
They aren’t making a whole bunch with this pricing. I’m sure most paid more. When retail is $11,800 and most dealers getting the freight and set up, plus tax, that’s putting you in the $13,500+ price range real quick.
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wrc777 11/5/2022 7:29pm
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Yamaha, Honda, and kawasaki all have surcharges right on their sites. It is supposedly due to high shipping costs. Those are starting to go back down so maybe in a few months when bikes shipped at lower cost show up they will drop the surcharge. Or maybe not.
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Definitely feel bad for dealers. Seems like an awfully hard way to scratch out a living. Most people don’t realize the dealerships makes 1000-2000 per bike sold in profit if they are lucky.

On the other side of the coin It would be interesting to see a major manufacturer try going to a D2C approach.
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agn5008 11/5/2022 10:36pm
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yz763 wrote:
7.5%.
Langhammx wrote:
9.5% here. I paid right around the same, after factoring in the difference in rate. Crazy expensive, the ‘23 SXF450 was cheaper. I’m picking up my...
9.5% here. I paid right around the same, after factoring in the difference in rate. Crazy expensive, the ‘23 SXF450 was cheaper.
I’m picking up my SX300 tomorrow afternoon, they are $1800 cheaper (retail listed price)

Feeling a little better about the SX price, but they are proud of the XC for sure
I called around to see what dealers were asking and it ranged from $13,300 - $15,700 OTD.
Some of these dealers were really high, but they gotta pay their rent too. I get it…
I paid $10k OTD for my 2022 300XC in July 2021 from Ridersville. Most other quotes I was getting were between $11,500-12,500. I had a few dealers tell me they were adding $1500 onto the price basically because they could and they knew they’d get it.

I’ll be going to Ridersville again when I get a new bike. I won’t even call anywhere else. They earned my business when they didn’t try to overcharge their customers.
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Langhammx 11/5/2022 10:40pm
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I paid $10k OTD for my 2022 300XC in July 2021 from Ridersville. Most other quotes I was getting were between $11,500-12,500. I had a few...
I paid $10k OTD for my 2022 300XC in July 2021 from Ridersville. Most other quotes I was getting were between $11,500-12,500. I had a few dealers tell me they were adding $1500 onto the price basically because they could and they knew they’d get it.

I’ll be going to Ridersville again when I get a new bike. I won’t even call anywhere else. They earned my business when they didn’t try to overcharge their customers.
Totally understand that ! I drove 200 miles to pick up my bike today and did the same with the last 5. A good dealer Isn’t always the closest one to your house. I passed at least 4 on my way there….
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Jack_4196 11/6/2022 3:34am
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Just paid 7800 here in New England for a 23’ kx450. Incredible deal, for our area.
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quadzrulebro 11/6/2022 5:21am
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that's a lot of strange up sell charges. A Prep/Doc fee to process their sold paperwork like that pisses me off. Government fee??? is that state...
that's a lot of strange up sell charges.

A Prep/Doc fee to process their sold paperwork like that pisses me off.

Government fee??? is that state taxes?

Honda surcharge???
The surcharges are a real thing. The American distributors for the OEMs are currently paying crazy freight fees to get bikes across the ocean. They are also paying crazy money to trucking companies here in the US (partially due to increased fuel costs). They are trying to make up a portion of this difference by passing on this increased freight charge in the form of a surcharge that the dealers have to pay. The reason they added a surcharge rather than simply increasing the freight fee is because they were hoping that transportation costs would come back down after the pandemic and then they could remove the surcharge. Unfortunately, due to inflation, that may never happen and these increased freight charges may become permanent unless a global recession changes things.
If you want to know the true freight and surcharges the dealer pays for a unit, OEMs post this information on their websites. Many dealers inflate the freight charges above what the OEM is charging them. It might save you some money to check this information before you head down to your dealership. I assure you that regardless of the size or location of the dealership, every dealer pays the OEM the same price for the unit and for the freight.
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quadzrulebro 11/6/2022 5:25am
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Definitely feel bad for dealers. Seems like an awfully hard way to scratch out a living. Most people don’t realize the dealerships makes 1000-2000 per bike...
Definitely feel bad for dealers. Seems like an awfully hard way to scratch out a living. Most people don’t realize the dealerships makes 1000-2000 per bike sold in profit if they are lucky.

On the other side of the coin It would be interesting to see a major manufacturer try going to a D2C approach.
The reason a direct to consumer model would be very difficult to pull off is that without a dealership’s service department, there would be no one to repair units once they are sold. This becomes an even more serious problem in the event of a recall.
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soggy 11/6/2022 6:32am
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The reason a direct to consumer model would be very difficult to pull off is that without a dealership’s service department, there would be no one...
The reason a direct to consumer model would be very difficult to pull off is that without a dealership’s service department, there would be no one to repair units once they are sold. This becomes an even more serious problem in the event of a recall.
Bicycle repair shops still exist, same with automotive repair shops that have no affiliation with a manufacturer. 95% of the guys I ride with don’t bring there bike to a shop to get work done. And the 1 in 20 that do don’t bring it to a dealer they go to independent shops. So I just don’t align with the thought that you need to have dealers.
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quadzrulebro 11/6/2022 6:41am
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The reason a direct to consumer model would be very difficult to pull off is that without a dealership’s service department, there would be no one...
The reason a direct to consumer model would be very difficult to pull off is that without a dealership’s service department, there would be no one to repair units once they are sold. This becomes an even more serious problem in the event of a recall.
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Bicycle repair shops still exist, same with automotive repair shops that have no affiliation with a manufacturer. 95% of the guys I ride with don’t bring...
Bicycle repair shops still exist, same with automotive repair shops that have no affiliation with a manufacturer. 95% of the guys I ride with don’t bring there bike to a shop to get work done. And the 1 in 20 that do don’t bring it to a dealer they go to independent shops. So I just don’t align with the thought that you need to have dealers.
Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Keep in mind that unlike cars, motorcycles are delivered in crates partially unassembled. In a sue happy society like ours, OEMs would never deliver a crated unit to a consumer for the consumer to assemble. If anyone does it, it will be the Chinese. Good luck taking an anonymous Chinese company to court for a liability issue.
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KirbStomp 11/6/2022 6:55am
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At sport cycles in Rockingham, NC I paid $100 under MSRP, then $99 documentation fee and taxes. Out the door I paid under 8500 for my 22 CRF250R
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Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Keep in mind...
Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Keep in mind that unlike cars, motorcycles are delivered in crates partially unassembled. In a sue happy society like ours, OEMs would never deliver a crated unit to a consumer for the consumer to assemble. If anyone does it, it will be the Chinese. Good luck taking an anonymous Chinese company to court for a liability issue.
I don’t know the answer to the recall question. But I think you could have ‘authorized’ repair shops that could do recall work(this seems to be the model stark is after). I guess all I’m saying is the hurdles to a d2c model seem pretty easy to overcome.
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quadzrulebro 11/6/2022 8:04am
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Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Keep in mind...
Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Keep in mind that unlike cars, motorcycles are delivered in crates partially unassembled. In a sue happy society like ours, OEMs would never deliver a crated unit to a consumer for the consumer to assemble. If anyone does it, it will be the Chinese. Good luck taking an anonymous Chinese company to court for a liability issue.
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I don’t know the answer to the recall question. But I think you could have ‘authorized’ repair shops that could do recall work(this seems to be...
I don’t know the answer to the recall question. But I think you could have ‘authorized’ repair shops that could do recall work(this seems to be the model stark is after). I guess all I’m saying is the hurdles to a d2c model seem pretty easy to overcome.
“Authorized” means they have been certified by the OEM. The OEMs offer training for their dealers. Same as in the automotive world. The need for authorized service centers is the primary reason that the dealer model isn’t going away any time soon.
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soggy 11/6/2022 8:29am
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Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Keep in mind...
Independent repair shops in bicycling and the automotive world don’t do recall repairs that I’m aware of. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Keep in mind that unlike cars, motorcycles are delivered in crates partially unassembled. In a sue happy society like ours, OEMs would never deliver a crated unit to a consumer for the consumer to assemble. If anyone does it, it will be the Chinese. Good luck taking an anonymous Chinese company to court for a liability issue.
soggy wrote:
I don’t know the answer to the recall question. But I think you could have ‘authorized’ repair shops that could do recall work(this seems to be...
I don’t know the answer to the recall question. But I think you could have ‘authorized’ repair shops that could do recall work(this seems to be the model stark is after). I guess all I’m saying is the hurdles to a d2c model seem pretty easy to overcome.
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“Authorized” means they have been certified by the OEM. The OEMs offer training for their dealers. Same as in the automotive world. The need for authorized...
“Authorized” means they have been certified by the OEM. The OEMs offer training for their dealers. Same as in the automotive world. The need for authorized service centers is the primary reason that the dealer model isn’t going away any time soon.
You can be an authorized service center without selling vehicles is my point. Happens in the car world all the time.
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SEEMEFIRST 11/6/2022 8:57am
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Probably a huge liability to let 100% of the customers do final assembly and prep on a motor vehicle.

You and I could pull it off easily, but there are plenty of folks who still depend on someone to do even basic stuff.

So someone is going to have to put them together and prep, even if it's an independent "qualified" shop, he ain't doing it for free.
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