Is it ok to cheat?

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Richy 10/16/2022 7:25am
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TripleFive wrote:
bending the rules is part of motor racing
I don't agree with the practice, but I couldn't agree more with your comment.

Cheating in motorsport is, or has been, present at almost all levels of almost all disciplines.
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lumpy790 10/16/2022 9:05am
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In all types of professional racing you are only cheating if you get caught. Why do you think NASCAR cars are so closely inspected with templates before it’s approved for races?

Pro SX and National sound inspections can be very ahhhh creative to pass the sound tests for that little sticker.

You know there are cheater bikes in there too.
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JMR1976 wrote:
So if you’re not cheating you’re not trying is not true? People cheat every day! Keefer is a hero for cheating so you’re wrong!
Keefer is a hero in only your mind for cheating
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Jeremy A.K. 10/16/2022 9:52am
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There is no amount of cheating available that would give me enough of an edge to win.
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sumdood 10/16/2022 9:54am
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According to my doctor I cheat every time I open my mouth, mmmmmmmm bacon…
Does cheating on your taxes count ?
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sumdood 10/16/2022 9:55am
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Jeremy A.K. wrote:
There is no amount of cheating available that would give me enough of an edge to win.
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White_jake 10/16/2022 10:44am
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Never race day in the dirt. Everyone cheats.
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toroP 10/16/2022 10:59am
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bvm111 wrote:
Soooo…Are you asking permission or forgiveness?
Or enjoying cheating, looking to start a club/support group?
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Myke 10/16/2022 11:12am
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JMR1976 wrote:
Cheater bike, cutting the track, where do you call the line?
NorCalRedRyder wrote:
Who cheated tonight?
KTM 300's?
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Lasse 10/16/2022 11:32am
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jjavaman wrote:
Keefer is a hero in only your mind for cheating
What’s the context of this Keefer cheating thing?
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MPJC 10/16/2022 11:36am
10/16/2022 11:36am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2022 11:49am
What exactly is being asked? Do people cheat (which seems to be what is of interest when you rhetorically ask (so people never cheat in moto?)? Of course they do. That is a separate question from: should people cheat? The prima facie answer is “no” given that cheating is wrong by definition (it’s gaining an unfair advantage and we generally take fairness to be desired). But what if everyone else is doing it? That muddies the waters since it’s then arguably not cheating; rather, it’s re-levelling the playing field. I suppose that you could say that if everyone cheats, then nobody does. Just don’t cheat on your wife - unless she says it’s ok, in which case it no longer seems like cheating.

Given the above, it would seem odd to say “it’s cheating but it’s fine”. Usually, if you think what you’re doing is fine, you think that ultimately it is justified such that it’s not really cheating. So, as a general question, there’s little one can say besides “no, it’s not ok if it’s actual cheating”. What we can do, however, is look at particular cases and analyze to determine whether it actually constitutes cheating. Even this is something about which we should remain sceptical given the human capacity for rationalization. If you want badly enough to justify something chances are you’ll be successful.

I’ll add one more thing. If you genuinely don’t care if it’s ok or not, you might be a psychopath.
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Dirtfighter 10/16/2022 11:45am
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Are you the dude that put weights in the fish? Btw if you cheat , then you didn’t really win.
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mattyhamz2 10/16/2022 1:17pm
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jjavaman wrote:
Keefer is a hero in only your mind for cheating
Lasse wrote:
What’s the context of this Keefer cheating thing?
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mattyhamz2 10/16/2022 1:22pm
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Cheating isn’t right at all. With that said, it really depends on how you see things morally on whether you are ok with it or not.

I can’t cheat and feel good about myself whether I win or not, nor do I have a want to cheat. If I can’t win straight up, I sure as hell won’t cheat to do it.

Others can cheat, not think twice about it and feel just as good winning that way.
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Brad460 10/16/2022 2:02pm
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In most racing there are cheaters and there are losers- In mx, skill is most important so no amount of cheating will allow someone to have beaten Eli this past season.

Cheating is very prevalent in any type of drag racing.
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MPJC 10/16/2022 2:12pm
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Brad460 wrote:
In most racing there are cheaters and there are losers- In mx, skill is most important so no amount of cheating will allow someone to have...
In most racing there are cheaters and there are losers- In mx, skill is most important so no amount of cheating will allow someone to have beaten Eli this past season.

Cheating is very prevalent in any type of drag racing.
So, are you saying that if you win, you must have cheated? That implies Tomac cheated. Is that really what you want to say?
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plowboy 10/16/2022 2:14pm
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I reckon cheating is what you do when you aren't as good as your competition. You either don't have the talent or aren't willing to work hard enough.

In my opinion...if you'll cheat at one thing...you'll cheat at anything and everything. I have no time or respect for those without integrity.

Even when I was racing all the time...I saw the cheating. I was discouraged and thought about quitting. In the end, I didn't place so much importance on finishing position. It was me, the bike and the track. Constantly pushing to improve myself. Let the chips fall where they may.
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No it is not.
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Sandusky26 10/16/2022 3:40pm
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My ex ole lady thought it was ok.
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inthebadboycorner 10/16/2022 4:05pm
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Sandusky26 wrote:
My ex ole lady thought it was ok.
Should I give you a thumbs up because I totally agree, or should I give you a thumbs down because she broke your trust/ heart?
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JMR1976 10/16/2022 5:16pm
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bvm111 wrote:
Soooo…Are you asking permission or forgiveness?
I personally have never cheated. I have rode the wrong practice on purpose a few times but cheating is not for me. I just find it funny some people act like no cheating is going on.
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Any golfers in here😂
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I thought I was cheating when I signed up for C class, turns out there’s way better cheaters than me.
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How about lines like these that develop?
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7I3N 10/16/2022 7:46pm
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Racing for me has always been about challenging myself to see if I can accomplish something. Cheating would completely ruin the challenge. I would rather race with a handicap. Winning on an out of date bike feels really good.
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Stars amateur program just logged in.
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What is this thread alluding to?
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Jeff Roberts 10/16/2022 8:20pm
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soggy wrote:
This statement makes you a loser.
From what I can tell, he’s been that for a whileWink
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soggy 10/16/2022 9:57pm
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soggy wrote:
This statement makes you a loser.
Jeff Roberts wrote:
From what I can tell, he’s been that for a whileWink
He must be furious.
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McG194 10/16/2022 10:02pm
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Haven't read every response but I'm against overt cheating such as cutting the track or even sandbagging classes.

I am all for an aggressive interpretation of the rules. Classic racing story is famed NASCAR tuner Smokey Yunick getting around new regulations on fuel tank size. He went with the mandated size of fuel tank per NASCAR regulations but then ran a fuel line that was 2" in diameter and 11 feet long. The fuel line was large enough to hold an extra 5 gallons of fuel. He also used to chill his fuel to just above freezing which would contract the fuel and as it heated in the car it would expand so he in effect put more gallons of fuel in the car than the fuel tank could physically hold.

I love stories of guys who are aggressive with interpreting the rules, I have no time for cheaters.
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