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My question after all of this that hasn't been brought up is the connection between the dealer and everyone. He's a Yamaha dealer. His son trains with Walker and presumably races a Yamaha. I don't know his age, class, or even how good he is. Since Deegan knew to tell Yamaha Don that Brennan trains with Walker, it wouldn't be a stretch to think since they are all connected that the Star camp could have reached out to the dealer. There may not have been threats of losing the Yamaha franchise but with a son racing and training with Walker a threat of "you'll never receive any help for your son in his potential career" is at least a plausible scenario. Take that as you will but seems reasonable to me for the dealer to be so upset he came back to town to "squash it".
Brennan? Got most of it right, although it appears not 100% truthful... Harris? Likely not truthful at all. BUT!!! And this is an important "but"... None of what Brennan or Harris embellished matters, they did it only make it seem less nefarious in their minds. The truth is, it wouldn't matter one bit if they came out and said they had been planning it for months, they raised the money together and they wanted to tear it down and expose it for all to see... The rule is the rule.
And the Yamaha crew is where the rules were broken. Brennan was bribed and coerced in to dropping the claim. The AMA has zero backbone and when guys like Burkeen have it completely wrong, you know nothing will be done.
BTW, I donated to Matt Burkeen and wish him the best of luck... I have nothing against any individuals other than the travesty to the sport that was witnessed in these events.
I thought lowering the piston and increasing rod length was more about reducing friction?
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Well, Brennan (who seems like a good kid), said in his initial video interview that his dealer (Chris from Motoplex) told him Yamaha said they were going to pull the dealers support and/or franchise if he went through with this claim. The dealer is saying did not say this.
It makes a lot of sense to a ton of people that there could have likely been a coalition between Walker and Luce to bully Brennan into changing his mind. Why the hell would Luce text Walker late at night and call him back to the track for an important meeting? If the Yamaha side was “ready to let the bike go” there would be no late night call to Walker to return to the track for a private meeting. Their coalition would have likely resulted in Walker telling the Dealer that Yamaha will pull support for his dealers if Brennan didn’t retract his claim. Walker obviously did the talking to keep Luce out of it, but used Luce’s presence as a threat to the Dealer. As a result, don’t you think it’s very possible that the Dealer told Brennan’s father they need to pull their claim for this reason (for fear of losing support from Yamaha)? If yes then Brennan isn’t lying, but instead relaying the information he learned from his Dad’s discussion with the Dealer. IMO, it would be very VERY likely for a Dealer to communicate this to the Dad during their private conversation. Why? Because it takes the Dealer’s opposing stance/opinions/emotion out of the equation and makes it a much more comfortable conversation to have with the Dad in order to justify the need for the claim to be removed. And just because you claim his Dealer said he didn’t say that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen…anyone of these guys can be bluffing, so maybe keep an open mind to both sides.
Brennen said that it was Cotter and Deegan with him in a room, we know now Mike from AMA was in there also.
There was a lot of talk from Cotter on the layout of the trailer. Isn’t it possible that the layout of the trailer had Brennan facing the direction of Cotter and Deegan but he didn’t see Burkeen had entered the room or was standing in the back corner listening? Regardless whether Burkeen was in the room or not, or in front of Brennan’s face or not, 3-5 minutes of this, or 6 minutes according to Cotter, is 6 minutes way too long. It shouldn’t have happened, at ALL. This is a huge violation. Cotter seemed to care a lot about whether Brennan’s engine builder was his Dad while talking outside, but he didn’t seem to care about Brennan’s age when he took him inside by himself. Cotter said something along the lines of “I thought he was 18”. Well, unfortunately in the real world where there’s accountability, he could be terminated for this assumption no matter how good of a guy he might be.
Brennen never mentioned the motors from Yamaha in his initial video interview, first time was to me. That seems rather important fact no?
Isn’t it more important that it’s known Brennan approached Yamaha earlier in the week about those motors but didn’t get any support. But then after Brennan claimed the bike he gets a special late night meeting with Yamaha and they roll out the red carpet (a.k.a bribe) right after being threatened by the interrogation team? Just because Walker was doing the yelling, doesn’t mean Luce wasn’t part of the strongarming. Luce said, “I let Matt take the lead”. So if Luce is sitting there, going along with all the threats and yelling and he didn't object in any way, then he’s part of the bullying team too. Also, does Yamaha give two motors to all amateurs who ask for them? You made it seem like Yamaha was doing such a good gesture by taking care of his motors. Why weren’t his motors taken care of before he made the claim?
To me, THE most effed up thing in this was Brennen saying that Yamaha was threatening this dealer..if true, that's absolutely terrible. Brennen admitted to me he didn't know WHO told his dealer that AND the dealer said no one from Yamaha said anything to him about that
Read above for a logical explanation of where that came from. It’s very likely that Walker was used as the conduit for the Yamaha strongarming.
Brennan, who again SHOULD have this bike, has not been consistent in his side of the story. That's 100% true.
It’s very easy for you to say 14 times “He should have the bike” when he doesn’t actually have the bike. FYI – it’s not making you appear to be neutral in this situation when you are completely blind to any form of bullying or coalition from the guys who pay some of your bills.
A couple more things. The fact that you discussed the beef between these two kids shows intent to bash his character and paint a bad picture for his motivation/intent. His motivation or intent is completely irrelevant.
Finally, you seem to question Brennan's credibility due to his age....well, how old was that kid you let join your show to bash Brennan (friend of the Deegan's coincidentally)? Why would you let such a young kid who's not credible due to his age come onto the show and bash another kid? Seems like you had it all planned out.
New GoFundme by Brennan
EDIT: Campaign is no longer there. Link removed
There is a reason they call them “stroker cranks.” The distance the piston moves up and down is determined by the offset of the big end of the rod from the center of the crank. The rod could be an inch longer and it would not change the displacement. You are confusing a “long rod” with a “stroker crank.” A long rod motor will have a different power characteristic because the longer rod, but it is still the same size motor.
I hope everyone that contributes to this sob story understand this kid has been living full time at a training facility for 3 years. Yes, a full year before he raced the C class at LL's he was living full time at a training facility. Not long ago this forum would have said this is the kind of thing that is wrong with amateur motocross. Now those same people will contribute to this half-assed panhandling.
Down vote away, this story sucks and its getting worse.
But looks like that isn't taking money any more?
Dealer delivered the killing blow by proxy of Yamaha.
I'd bet the farm on this.
head or valves. And it does change the characteristics of the engine. But it does not change the distance from TDC to BDC.
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if your auguement was put in front of a judge in civil court it would previal. no question. The judge rules under the standard of a "preponderance" of the evidence. so you just got to tip the scale 51% to 49%
Its an ez case, I think, to say Brian Deegan was "complicit in
circumventing the claiming rule" No question.
And because of:
Section 1.1 A - 12
12. Each rider is responsible for the actions of their family and pit
crew, and any detrimental action caused by these
individuals puts that rider at risk of disqualification.
Done!!
never happen though
Pit Row
Should he have gotten the bike? Yes, but his Dad said no go and lost their support anyway. Bad luck etc, but move on and if you are fast enough finding support won't be a problem.
Alternatively, take your $17,500 and go to Budds Creek this weekend and claim Deegan's bike again. It will actually be cheaper since Loretta's is the only one that is 200% (my understanding)
At 10:40 in Vital's interview with Donny Luce, Donny says "it became very evident to me that we weren't going to change their mind", this happened very early in the conversation once Brennan showed up.
So, Donny is informed by Deegan that a claim has been initiated, then he walks over to Walkers pit and immediately starts trying to "change their mind". Donny then offers 2 free motors to Brennan if he agrees to drop the claim.
I'm starting to believe that Deegan/Star were the one that reached out to the dealer. So, Brian initiated the bribes from Donny Luce, and it appears that Brian or Star initiated whatever transpired between the sponsor and Brennan.
The common sense here is that this is clearly an attempt to circumvent the rules and keep the bike from getting claimed. The problem is that the AMA has written the circumvention rule to only apply to placing counter claims (they use i.e. instead of e.g.).
So, I'd say the spirit of the rule was definitely broken, but the rule itself was not broken as it is written. I hope the new changes to the rule address this, I know Burkeen mentioned that in the future "all sales are final", so that should help.
I think y'all are arguing the same thing.
I think Gungadin is calling the "Crank Radius" the "arm length".
I've never heard the term, but it makes sense.
I wonder if someone was trying to make a few bucks on this thing?
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