Cooksey interview with brennans engine builder

DonM wrote:

Tomorrows Pulp show should be interesting.

https://twitter.com/pulpmx/status/1558941055772307456?s=21&t=vpA3o5gIfM…

TbonesPop wrote:

Oh ya, and Fuck Matt Walker*

Tiki wrote:

Where you stand on the bike?

Bruce372 wrote:

The cynic that I am, really does wonder why they were so insistent on not letting that engine go given that it contained nothing special

speedman wrote:

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has...

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has tested extensively to determine who makes the best bearings, surface treatments, generic stuff, I mean, which provides incremental improvements that add up to an edge over people who use other suppliers for the same things. Or maybe it means suppliers of things like custom-ratio works Yamaha transmissions and other unobtanium pieces that would be rather unsporting to use in amateur racing. So I think Regan said something innocuous-sounding whose innocence could not be confirmed without scrutiny of the parts in question.

I was already inclined to believe that Harris was unlikely to have $17K sitting around to claim with. I didn't like him when he introduced himself at the start, but he struck me as pretty credible when he told the story. Of course, he could promise not to tear down that motor--the Schofields could do it for him and measure/film everything per his instructions, so he could have been saying something innocuous-sounding himself there.

Yeah, "Didn't you read the rulebook?" was hilarious and went to the heart of the matter.

I did some reading myself, and it turned out that Mickey Boone was not blackballed entirely for trying to claim Hannah's 125 in 1976--Kawasaki hired him on 500s a couple years later.

Edit: Make that "credible," not "creditable."

APLMAN99 wrote:

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team...

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team? Like pasting a sponsor’s logo on the bike, but actually using their competitor’s parts.

Crossup wrote:

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that...

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that this "if he doesn't get that exact motorcycle, we're going to have to get litigious with this.". Who is THIS guy to make THAT statement like he is representing Brennan? He went from wing man to lawyer/guardian? This guy seems to be in a LOT of the conflicts.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Derek Harris’s philosophy was clear quite a while ago…… [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/14/563996/s1200_4820DA67_6BB5_49A1_B580_17D63CFDCD28.jpg[/img]

Derek Harris’s philosophy was clear quite a while ago……

DonM wrote:

Not a good look for Yamaha....not at all...the question is was this Yamaha rep Donnie doing what he thought was best for his employer or was...

Not a good look for Yamaha....not at all...the question is was this Yamaha rep Donnie doing what he thought was best for his employer or was he following orders...

-MAVERICK- wrote:

IMO, Donnie took the reigns and did what he thought was best for Yamaha.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Derek Harris’s philosophy was clear quite a while ago…… [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/14/563996/s1200_4820DA67_6BB5_49A1_B580_17D63CFDCD28.jpg[/img]

Derek Harris’s philosophy was clear quite a while ago……

Dirty Points wrote:

If your point is that Harris is an asshat, you'll find few supporters for him here. But he is a credible-for-this-situation asshat. And quite frankly, this...

If your point is that Harris is an asshat, you'll find few supporters for him here.

But he is a credible-for-this-situation asshat. And quite frankly, this proved he was largely correct in that statement. Whatever anybody can get away with goes, until we see any level of sanction against big players flaunting the rules.

Bingslayer wrote:

I bet the kid is kicking himself right now, not for attempting the claim, but for backing out to save his sponsor only to get shafted...

I bet the kid is kicking himself right now, not for attempting the claim, but for backing out to save his sponsor only to get shafted anyway. That was a full factory race bike (if you disagree , you can crawl back under your rock) and he was sooo close to taking it home for a bargain.

I somehow don’t think this opportunity will come up again, be it a rule change or the big teams playing fair/not wanting to risk it. Everybody here can relate to the kids dream, we have all wondered what it would be like throwing a leg over a factory bike. He had the balls to follow his dream and the adults had a tantrum.

Star had an excellent PR opportunity here. Hey kid, for reasons I’m sure you understand we can’t let this bike go. How about you take half your hard saved cash down to a dealer and bring us a brand new yz , and while we trick the fuck out of it , but to a more maintainable standard you can scratch that itch and spin some laps on coopers bike…..or something like that ha ha

Sore Loser wrote:

I suspected this could’ve been what happened. Rogue employee. Then again, this guy might be hugely responsible for why the Deegans came to Yamaha. He might’ve...

I suspected this could’ve been what happened. Rogue employee.

Then again, this guy might be hugely responsible for why the Deegans came to Yamaha. He might’ve put his relationship with his greatest signing ahead of his relationship with his employer.

speedman wrote:

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has...

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has tested extensively to determine who makes the best bearings, surface treatments, generic stuff, I mean, which provides incremental improvements that add up to an edge over people who use other suppliers for the same things. Or maybe it means suppliers of things like custom-ratio works Yamaha transmissions and other unobtanium pieces that would be rather unsporting to use in amateur racing. So I think Regan said something innocuous-sounding whose innocence could not be confirmed without scrutiny of the parts in question.

I was already inclined to believe that Harris was unlikely to have $17K sitting around to claim with. I didn't like him when he introduced himself at the start, but he struck me as pretty credible when he told the story. Of course, he could promise not to tear down that motor--the Schofields could do it for him and measure/film everything per his instructions, so he could have been saying something innocuous-sounding himself there.

Yeah, "Didn't you read the rulebook?" was hilarious and went to the heart of the matter.

I did some reading myself, and it turned out that Mickey Boone was not blackballed entirely for trying to claim Hannah's 125 in 1976--Kawasaki hired him on 500s a couple years later.

Edit: Make that "credible," not "creditable."

APLMAN99 wrote:

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team...

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team? Like pasting a sponsor’s logo on the bike, but actually using their competitor’s parts.

brocster wrote:

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with...

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with different clubs than what’s actually advertised on the bag.

Sore Loser wrote:

That “opportunity” for Star only exists if the Brennan actually wanted a ride on a factory bike. If the intentions all along were to needle a...

That “opportunity” for Star only exists if the Brennan actually wanted a ride on a factory bike.

If the intentions all along were to needle a rival and get his engine builder a factory engine, there’s no way he accepts the friendly “bribe”.

Furthermore, there’s no way that offer is ever made by Star considering they had made up their mind that this Brennan kid and the engine builder wanted that factory motor.

Once this became tit for tat mini drama, the sensible compromises went out the window.

speedman wrote:

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has...

Bobby Regan at Star told Weege they were protecting sources of parts who were outside vendors. That is ambiguous to me: maybe it means Star has tested extensively to determine who makes the best bearings, surface treatments, generic stuff, I mean, which provides incremental improvements that add up to an edge over people who use other suppliers for the same things. Or maybe it means suppliers of things like custom-ratio works Yamaha transmissions and other unobtanium pieces that would be rather unsporting to use in amateur racing. So I think Regan said something innocuous-sounding whose innocence could not be confirmed without scrutiny of the parts in question.

I was already inclined to believe that Harris was unlikely to have $17K sitting around to claim with. I didn't like him when he introduced himself at the start, but he struck me as pretty credible when he told the story. Of course, he could promise not to tear down that motor--the Schofields could do it for him and measure/film everything per his instructions, so he could have been saying something innocuous-sounding himself there.

Yeah, "Didn't you read the rulebook?" was hilarious and went to the heart of the matter.

I did some reading myself, and it turned out that Mickey Boone was not blackballed entirely for trying to claim Hannah's 125 in 1976--Kawasaki hired him on 500s a couple years later.

Edit: Make that "credible," not "creditable."

APLMAN99 wrote:

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team...

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team? Like pasting a sponsor’s logo on the bike, but actually using their competitor’s parts.

brocster wrote:

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with...

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with different clubs than what’s actually advertised on the bag.

Crossup wrote:

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that...

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that this "if he doesn't get that exact motorcycle, we're going to have to get litigious with this.". Who is THIS guy to make THAT statement like he is representing Brennan? He went from wing man to lawyer/guardian? This guy seems to be in a LOT of the conflicts.

Sore Loser wrote:

Yep. Anyone still believe he didnt put the money up for Brennan?

Crossup wrote:

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that...

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that this "if he doesn't get that exact motorcycle, we're going to have to get litigious with this.". Who is THIS guy to make THAT statement like he is representing Brennan? He went from wing man to lawyer/guardian? This guy seems to be in a LOT of the conflicts.

Sore Loser wrote:

Yep. Anyone still believe he didnt put the money up for Brennan?

startbuttonarmpump wrote:

YEP!

Dirty Points wrote:

Did you not watch this? The kid disgruntedly settled for riding a Star bike and a couple of motors.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team...

Maybe the ‘outside vendors’ part is that Star is using parts from a vendor that is different than a vendor that is actually sponsoring the team? Like pasting a sponsor’s logo on the bike, but actually using their competitor’s parts.

brocster wrote:

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with...

I would bet my paycheck on it. Happens in all professional sports. Friend of mine was a PGA caddy and says pros bags are littered with different clubs than what’s actually advertised on the bag.

183Matt wrote:

It’s known they already run parts from vendors they are not sponsored by/ conflict with their sponsors. Ask Pro Taper how they feel about Eli running...

It’s known they already run parts from vendors they are not sponsored by/ conflict with their sponsors. Ask Pro Taper how they feel about Eli running Renthal grips. In fact, I believe they were even a little miffed with Vital about pointing it out in a “Pit Bits”.

Dirty Points wrote:

Did you not watch this? The kid disgruntedly settled for riding a Star bike and a couple of motors.

Sore Loser wrote:

No I have not. I try to avoid Cooksey whenever possible. I figure if the Brennan kid had accepted a deal, he would have mentioned it...

No I have not. I try to avoid Cooksey whenever possible.

I figure if the Brennan kid had accepted a deal, he would have mentioned it in the interview he did. Really odd that he left this out since it’s significant.

TbonesPop wrote:

Oh ya, and Fuck Matt Walker*

Tiki wrote:

Where you stand on the bike?

gerg wrote:

Anyone have an idea who Sore Loser is? It can't be J Sloan because the posts have lasted longer than 24 hours. Account created a day...

Anyone have an idea who Sore Loser is?

It can't be J Sloan because the posts have lasted longer than 24 hours.

Account created a day ago and already over 100 posts on the claim topic exclusively....has to be someone with skin in the game.

MO 23 wrote:

Sore Loser Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board But who are you and how are you...

Sore Loser
Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board
But who are you and how are you related to the subject? Given the sheer volume you are participating, and the fact that basically this is all you have posted about, it’s pretty clear you are not just a MX fan that was following the action. You obviously have a bit more interest in this topic.

I agree with you that the engine builder probably wanted to open that engine, and probably was contributing some or all of the cash.

But you know what, who cares? Rules are rules.
And given what Brian said, it sounds like the reasons they wanted to “discourage” the kid from going through with the claim, are the exact reasons why the rule exist. To stop teams spending huge $$$ on amateur engines.

Rules are rules, it’s irrelevant who stumped the cash, and/or why.
The fact that he claimed it and then backed out after multiple chats between a 17 year old kid and influential industry people to me shows a severe lack of professionalism involved.

Sore Loser wrote:

Just an MX fan following the action actually.

MO 23 wrote:

Sore Loser Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board But who are you and how are you...

Sore Loser
Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board
But who are you and how are you related to the subject? Given the sheer volume you are participating, and the fact that basically this is all you have posted about, it’s pretty clear you are not just a MX fan that was following the action. You obviously have a bit more interest in this topic.

I agree with you that the engine builder probably wanted to open that engine, and probably was contributing some or all of the cash.

But you know what, who cares? Rules are rules.
And given what Brian said, it sounds like the reasons they wanted to “discourage” the kid from going through with the claim, are the exact reasons why the rule exist. To stop teams spending huge $$$ on amateur engines.

Rules are rules, it’s irrelevant who stumped the cash, and/or why.
The fact that he claimed it and then backed out after multiple chats between a 17 year old kid and influential industry people to me shows a severe lack of professionalism involved.

Sore Loser wrote:

Just an MX fan following the action actually.

Crossup wrote:

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that...

Interesting that the engine builder dude early in the video (12:50) said that he was in a heated argument with Tim Cotter and then said that this "if he doesn't get that exact motorcycle, we're going to have to get litigious with this.". Who is THIS guy to make THAT statement like he is representing Brennan? He went from wing man to lawyer/guardian? This guy seems to be in a LOT of the conflicts.

Sore Loser wrote:

Yep. Anyone still believe he didnt put the money up for Brennan?

Sore Loser wrote:

Just an MX fan following the action actually.

MO 23 wrote:

Wow…I guess this topic really grabbed you then, all the topics in recent history of MX and this is the one that motivated you to sign...

Wow…I guess this topic really grabbed you then, all the topics in recent history of MX and this is the one that motivated you to sign up to Vital and post every few minutes for a day.
😂

MO 23 wrote:

Sore Loser Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board But who are you and how are you...

Sore Loser
Apologies if you have already answered this, but there is so much discussion on this board
But who are you and how are you related to the subject? Given the sheer volume you are participating, and the fact that basically this is all you have posted about, it’s pretty clear you are not just a MX fan that was following the action. You obviously have a bit more interest in this topic.

I agree with you that the engine builder probably wanted to open that engine, and probably was contributing some or all of the cash.

But you know what, who cares? Rules are rules.
And given what Brian said, it sounds like the reasons they wanted to “discourage” the kid from going through with the claim, are the exact reasons why the rule exist. To stop teams spending huge $$$ on amateur engines.

Rules are rules, it’s irrelevant who stumped the cash, and/or why.
The fact that he claimed it and then backed out after multiple chats between a 17 year old kid and influential industry people to me shows a severe lack of professionalism involved.

TbonesPop wrote:

So you go the full last 24 hours with the mantra of "assume innocent until proven guilty, don't jump to conclusions, we don't know the whole...

So you go the full last 24 hours with the mantra of "assume innocent until proven guilty, don't jump to conclusions, we don't know the whole story, the kid could be lying, etc blah blah blah". And now you jump to the conclusion that the engine builder gave the kid the money. There is ZERO evidence of this, and you know it. Its nothing but pure conjecture on your part.

You literally gave all the other people the benefit of the doubt for the last 24 hours but the first hint of something that fits your agenda you pounce on it.

You either need to take the position of innocent until proven guilty or you don't. and you don't know where the money came from. You have however all along thought the engine builder had an agenda and and now your real position is coming to light. It was never about finding out the truth of the situation, it was about following what you thought the underlying reason was for claiming the bike. That's why you were salivating on the "where did the kid get the money from" the last 24 hours.

You really had pre-judged this whole deal from the get go, and the whole need more details to come out was just a front for what you really thought.