Brennan Schofield interview about his Deegan bike claim!

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8/13/2022 11:20am
Title stripped? Karma? You want the kid to get hurt or something. Holy shit you guys are nuts
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That's pretty much what the rule says?
Where in the rules does it say that?
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year
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[YM] wrote:
That's pretty much what the rule says?
Where in the rules does it say that?
[YM] wrote:
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply, they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet and will be suspended for one...
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to him because he had another Moto on it...there is a lot of wrong going on but but love him or hate him Haiden didn't refuse to comply
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Steve is far from perfect but where is the criticism of him coming from on this particular issue?
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Not being objective in his reporting. After all, he's "BluCru" and receives income from Yamaha to support his business. His desire for profits are at stake...
Not being objective in his reporting. After all, he's "BluCru" and receives income from Yamaha to support his business. His desire for profits are at stake here.
DonM wrote:
This sounds pretty objective to me...from his twitter "If Deegan and/or Star Yamaha play by the rules and let the bike go, none of this shit...
This sounds pretty objective to me...from his twitter

"If Deegan and/or Star Yamaha play by the rules and let the bike go, none of this shit happens. You want someone to blame? One or both of them are it."
He's still skirting the fact that MXSports got involved and allowed thus to happen when it was an AMA matter. They aren't any better than what Deegan and Star did in this situation.
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The black and white of it is, Brennan made a claim for the bike and does not have the bike.
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8/13/2022 12:00pm
Where in the rules does it say that?
[YM] wrote:
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply, they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet and will be suspended for one...
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year
DonM wrote:
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to...
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to him because he had another Moto on it...there is a lot of wrong going on but but love him or hate him Haiden didn't refuse to comply
Exactly. Like I said. Bunch of Karen’s with pitchforks going after a “minor” for something he had nothing to do with.
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[YM] wrote:
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply, they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet and will be suspended for one...
If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
they must forfeit the trophy, is disqualified from the meet
and will be suspended for one year
DonM wrote:
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to...
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to him because he had another Moto on it...there is a lot of wrong going on but but love him or hate him Haiden didn't refuse to comply
Exactly. Like I said. Bunch of Karen’s with pitchforks going after a “minor” for something he had nothing to do with.
Cornering a kid a kid and demanding answers from him kind of sounds like they are not complying
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Hi Side wrote:
Deegan's are the new Alessi's. They will be surrounded by controversy and bullshit for the remainder of Haiden's career.
And laugh all the way to the bank.
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I just want to apologize to TFS. You were right all along.
Sooner or later eventually everyone will come around to the fact that TFS was right about everything.
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DonM wrote:
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to...
Just a question but where did Haiden refuse to comply. the bike was impounded and the engine was tagged and the AMA gave it back to him because he had another Moto on it...there is a lot of wrong going on but but love him or hate him Haiden didn't refuse to comply
Exactly. Like I said. Bunch of Karen’s with pitchforks going after a “minor” for something he had nothing to do with.
Cornering a kid a kid and demanding answers from him kind of sounds like they are not complying
When did Haiden do that? Hopefully there will be another interview with the kid and his family and these specific questions can be asked to expand upon….and just to clarify I’m not condoning anything that went on but I’m not a fan of everyone that wants to hate on Haiden when everything that was done was by adults…not him
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Ive said it for years. Get the money out of AMATEUR racing. Paid Factory Riders racing against Farm Kids.

Yamaha deserves this. I hope this fucks them over the next year. Should have just shut up and helped the kid out and watched him. Nothing would have come of it.

WHATS IN THE BOX? That's the question. Machined gears, machined rod, machined crank. Nice.
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USA wrote:
He's still skirting the fact that MXSports got involved and allowed thus to happen when it was an AMA matter. They aren't any better than what...
He's still skirting the fact that MXSports got involved and allowed thus to happen when it was an AMA matter. They aren't any better than what Deegan and Star did in this situation.
That's what has been really bothering me about this. AMA wrote the rulebook & sanctions the race. MX sports is the promoter.

No matter where the money came from, who sponsors who, whatever engine builder is standing around in the vicinity, the fact is that the kid followed what the rules said & put the money up to claim the bike. Why Tim Cotter, Matt Walker, the Deegans or anyone other than the AMA were involved is where the problem is. None of them are supposed have any say in the AMA sanctioned rulebook.

I've been a supporter of DC since the newspaper days, and I always thought he had the best interest of MX racing at heart. Between streaming video & getting in the middle of this, his actions and excuses this year have seriously challenged any support I had left. (Not that it matters or he gives a shit, honestly).

Claiming rules in racing are in place to keep deep pockets from dropping $100k on a one-off bikes that meet the class rules. $17k for a Star prepped bike is a hell of a deal, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.
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USA wrote:
He's still skirting the fact that MXSports got involved and allowed thus to happen when it was an AMA matter. They aren't any better than what...
He's still skirting the fact that MXSports got involved and allowed thus to happen when it was an AMA matter. They aren't any better than what Deegan and Star did in this situation.
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That's what has been really bothering me about this. AMA wrote the rulebook & sanctions the race. MX sports is the promoter. No matter where the...
That's what has been really bothering me about this. AMA wrote the rulebook & sanctions the race. MX sports is the promoter.

No matter where the money came from, who sponsors who, whatever engine builder is standing around in the vicinity, the fact is that the kid followed what the rules said & put the money up to claim the bike. Why Tim Cotter, Matt Walker, the Deegans or anyone other than the AMA were involved is where the problem is. None of them are supposed have any say in the AMA sanctioned rulebook.

I've been a supporter of DC since the newspaper days, and I always thought he had the best interest of MX racing at heart. Between streaming video & getting in the middle of this, his actions and excuses this year have seriously challenged any support I had left. (Not that it matters or he gives a shit, honestly).

Claiming rules in racing are in place to keep deep pockets from dropping $100k on a one-off bikes that meet the class rules. $17k for a Star prepped bike is a hell of a deal, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened more often.
It happens every year. EVERY YEAR. This isnt a surprise. Only to those new to racing.
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8/13/2022 12:19pm
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
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8/13/2022 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 8/13/2022 12:24pm
mb60 wrote:
Would love to hear the other sides to this story as well.
As would I.

Lotsa conjecture going on here. Most notably the assumption that this kid's version of the events is absolutely truthful.

But I guess asking for both sides makes us the crazy ones. Such is life these days.
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fins227 wrote:
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
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fins227 wrote:
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
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And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
Well it kinda sounds like something they might do.
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8/13/2022 12:32pm Edited Date/Time 8/13/2022 6:34pm
Tiki wrote:
It happens every year. EVERY YEAR. This isnt a surprise. Only to those new to racing.
Someone claiming a bike happens every year? I have heard about protests but not an outright claim. If so, has MX Sports been involved in previous claim situations?

I'm definitely not new to racing, but I'll admit to not following the politics of the Amateur circuit very closely. If this happens every year I'll stand corrected.
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fins227 wrote:
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
Sore Loser wrote:
And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
Whose other side do you want? We've heard the AMA chime in, Brian Deegan, DC, Schofield, and the engine builders comments from various media sources.
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fins227 wrote:
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
Sore Loser wrote:
And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
USA wrote:
Whose other side do you want? We've heard the AMA chime in, Brian Deegan, DC, Schofield, and the engine builders comments from various media sources.
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
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Sore Loser wrote:
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the...
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
What was your last screen name on here?
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One takeaway from this is how Yamaha and Star Racing handled this situation. Just imagine if they had done things differently. We would all be praising them instead of bashing them. Had they said, "Heck yeah kid you can buy the bike and we would love to do some videos with you riding it"! Or anything positive they could had done to make this a positive rather than a negative. This could had been a great advertising situation! "Yamaha, the only bike worth Claiming"! Or something like that. lol
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Sore Loser wrote:
And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
USA wrote:
Whose other side do you want? We've heard the AMA chime in, Brian Deegan, DC, Schofield, and the engine builders comments from various media sources.
Sore Loser wrote:
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the...
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
I think it says a lot that Deegan et al don't want to comment on the matter past "there's nothing to see here".
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8/13/2022 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 8/13/2022 12:44pm
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Well if Brennan’s statements are untrue, it could be a pretty straight forward defamation case that Yamaha could easily pursue, especially with the handful of first...
Well if Brennan’s statements are untrue, it could be a pretty straight forward defamation case that Yamaha could easily pursue, especially with the handful of first hand witnesses, which is why I tend to believe he wouldn’t lie about something as extreme as what seems to be extortion claims.
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Yamaha had better get their legal time involved ASAP and do some digging because there's likely some shit that they don't want to come out during...
Yamaha had better get their legal time involved ASAP and do some digging because there's likely some shit that they don't want to come out during the "discovery process". I've had to live through the discovery process in business and nothing will get past it. They will look at cell phone records, text messages, phone call records, emails, interview dealership managers and employees, telephone records, etc. All of it comes out in court and it will be blatantly obvious who's lying and who's telling the truth. The truth always comes out in situations like this if it goes down the legal path.

If what Brennan said is accurate (which should easy to verify), heads need to roll on the Yamaha side. Its disgusting, frankly. Fuck Yamaha. As for the Deegan's, I'll never support any manufacturer he rides for.
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I disagree to an extent and here is why. Is it easier to black ball a kid or hurt Yamaha, mx sports, dealerships, sponsors? Sure maybe...
I disagree to an extent and here is why. Is it easier to black ball a kid or hurt Yamaha, mx sports, dealerships, sponsors?

Sure maybe the kid can win a lawsuit and some money, but even if he does he will still be black balled by the industry. Also, dont think Yamaha cant get the dealership to lie, cotter, deegan, etc.

Regardless if the story is 100% true or not tthe kid is the big loser. I would consider helping sponsor him though. Hopefully all sponsors wont drop him and new sponsors wont be afraid to take him on.
To be fair, Matthes sued the shit out of Yamaha, cost a ton of people their jobs, and many influential people felt he deserved to be blackballed from the sport.

But now Steve collects a paycheck from Yamaha.

If the kid is talented, he'll be fine.
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8/13/2022 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 8/13/2022 12:45pm
Tiki wrote:
It happens every year. EVERY YEAR. This isnt a surprise. Only to those new to racing.
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Someone claiming a bike happens every year? I have heard about protests but not an outright claim. If so, has MX Sports been involved in previous...
Someone claiming a bike happens every year? I have heard about protests but not an outright claim. If so, has MX Sports been involved in previous claim situations?

I'm definitely not new to racing, but I'll admit to not following the politics of the Amateur circuit very closely. If this happens every year I'll stand corrected.
I can't speak for the past few years but yeah, there was a time at Loretta's a bike claim was made annually. I may be hyperbolic on this but just about every Champ you know today had a bike claim made against them at Loretta's
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USA wrote:
Whose other side do you want? We've heard the AMA chime in, Brian Deegan, DC, Schofield, and the engine builders comments from various media sources.
Sore Loser wrote:
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the...
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
USA wrote:
I think it says a lot that Deegan et al don't want to comment on the matter past "there's nothing to see here".
Maybe it does. Maybe it doesnt.

People in positions of notoriety fairly often will pay to settle frivolous cases so that they will go away quietly.

If I were the Deegans, and I was on the up & up, I'd be ignoring this also. That's how it dies away the fastest. Because the truth is, for 99% of the mob, they've already made up their mind on this. Getting in a back and forth isnt worth it usually.

And if it comes out that Brennan ASSUMED his sponsor was pressured by Yamaha, this whole deal loses steam real fast and Deegan never has to get in a tit for tat.
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Sore Loser wrote:
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the...
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
USA wrote:
I think it says a lot that Deegan et al don't want to comment on the matter past "there's nothing to see here".
Sore Loser wrote:
Maybe it does. Maybe it doesnt. People in positions of notoriety fairly often will pay to settle frivolous cases so that they will go away quietly...
Maybe it does. Maybe it doesnt.

People in positions of notoriety fairly often will pay to settle frivolous cases so that they will go away quietly.

If I were the Deegans, and I was on the up & up, I'd be ignoring this also. That's how it dies away the fastest. Because the truth is, for 99% of the mob, they've already made up their mind on this. Getting in a back and forth isnt worth it usually.

And if it comes out that Brennan ASSUMED his sponsor was pressured by Yamaha, this whole deal loses steam real fast and Deegan never has to get in a tit for tat.
The thing is, they aren't being quiet about it. They are getting into the back and forth, posting rant videos, calling the kid out for "playing dirty" in another video, etc.

You aren't making a strong argument for your case.
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Sore Loser wrote:
And Im asking, how do we know that anecdote to even be true?
USA wrote:
Whose other side do you want? We've heard the AMA chime in, Brian Deegan, DC, Schofield, and the engine builders comments from various media sources.
Sore Loser wrote:
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the...
I'd like to know if Yamaha actually did threaten the dealer. That part is not clear in the video. It comes across as conjecture on the part of Brennan.

If the dealer wasnt threatened, it this whole drama softens a lot.

Deegan has not given a lot of details.

And most people made up their minds after watching the Cooksey video. As if that crack pot has any credibility.

All that said, I can draw a lot of conclusions from all of this if it were clarified HOW the kid knew Yamaha was pressuring his sponsor. Did that actually happen or did he assume it? Because if he assumed it and is passing it off as fact, then I gotta question the other 99% of his version of the story.
Ever think the reason they aren’t saying much is because they know they are wrong and can’t defend their actions? It’s been over a week since this happened. Major players are employed by the biggest media outlet in this sport. If they had a message to get out to paint them in a good light, it would’ve been out there already. You ever think you are questioning the wrong player in this saga?
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To be fair, Matthes sued the shit out of Yamaha, cost a ton of people their jobs, and many influential people felt he deserved to be...
To be fair, Matthes sued the shit out of Yamaha, cost a ton of people their jobs, and many influential people felt he deserved to be blackballed from the sport.

But now Steve collects a paycheck from Yamaha.

If the kid is talented, he'll be fine.
Steve Matthes never sued Yamaha what are you talking about lmao
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fins227 wrote:
Wow. The only part I find hard to believe is that a dealer is worried about losing Yamaha
They sell a ton of sleds and SxSs. And ATVs. And outboards. Etc etc.
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Ever think the reason they aren’t saying much is because they know they are wrong and can’t defend their actions? It’s been over a week since...
Ever think the reason they aren’t saying much is because they know they are wrong and can’t defend their actions? It’s been over a week since this happened. Major players are employed by the biggest media outlet in this sport. If they had a message to get out to paint them in a good light, it would’ve been out there already. You ever think you are questioning the wrong player in this saga?
In my experience, trying to defend yourself from the online mob is pretty fruitless. I've known situations where the right party tried defending themselves publicly, and it only made the situation worse. In hindsight they're better off never saying a word because even the most articulate defense never changes a thing about the outcome nor sways a single person's opinion. The online mob is fickle.

So for that reason, whenever I see one party go silent, I do not automatically assume they are guilty. Sometimes people just realize that the court of public opinion is like a busted tube of toothpaste. The truth becomes pretty irrelevant real fast in matters like these.

And no I do not think Im questioning the wrong player. I think all players need to be questioned before a judgement is made. I know enough people "in the know" that I can ask certain questions about the Deegan's side of this. And trust me Im asking those questions. Whereas I know very little about the Brennan kid. As I said in another thread, he comes across about as credible as one could possibly look. But if there are significant details being left out then I think it's worth looking into.

I do find it odd that he plays this off like he's just a random racer executing a rule. He's not. He's a longtime rival of Haiden Deegan. This wasnt just to ride a factory bike. It was one last way of annoying a fellow rival before that kid went off to the pros to have a long career. All is fair in love and war so I dont really hold it against Brennan if this was some busch league stunt just to needle a rival - but if that was indeed the case, I think it's a relevant part of the story. It makes this whole deal much less criminal and more of just your typical mini racer family back-and-forth drama.

Does that absolve Yamaha if Yamaha was in the wrong? No, not at all.
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