Chance Hymas to Forgo Pro Debut

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Tuzzo123 8/10/2022 7:13am
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dirtbikemike wrote:
How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called...
How do you end up at LLs with bike setup problems? It's a motocross track and you ride a motocross bike. Most of the so called top riders live and ride at training "facilities" year round. Your bike should be perfect. How do you get arm pump if you've been riding every day since LLs the year before? Maybe he should have been racing leading up to LLs instead of "training".
I agree with dirt bike mike, but consider this, Loretta's track is so unique that its really hard to set up for. Hard pack, sand sections, RUTS, outdoor jumps, supercross style sections. I'm not Buying or Selling, I remember when the Pros were there for COVID (Not the Mudder) they were complaining about setup issues and how it was hard to get comfortable.
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
Ehmmm if that list is accurate imo it is very little racing in 6 months... I think an uninjured emx rider will probably do closer to 24 then 12 races in 6 months time
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Mossy940 wrote:
Small rant - Everyone in am’s dreams of being RC, but refuse to live by his bike set up rule….if it’s close, leave it alone and...
Small rant -

Everyone in am’s dreams of being RC, but refuse to live by his bike set up rule….if it’s close, leave it alone and it’s up to the rider to take care of the rest.

All these guys “finding something” after riding well for a moto only to shit the bed because “they went the wrong direction” is becoming by far the biggest BS this sport has seen in a while.

You wanna tinker back and fourth a bit? By all means, as long as you have an “ol reliable” you can fall back on…being so lost in set up that the first factory Honda am in years ends up without a championship is just insane to me.

But hey, I’m the one on vital - I clearly couldn’t get it done either
TLDR; He's an effin' factory rider now and shoulda been ready.
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Some of you guys are just too much. Chance did not say anything about setup issues in his post. He had a bad week at one race and we don't know why. They are talking some time to figure it out and these last few nationals won't make or break him.
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H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
When hymas passed Ryder D at futures everyone in here was ready to hand him a 250 title. Kid has one bad week at Loretta’s and...
When hymas passed Ryder D at futures everyone in here was ready to hand him a 250 title. Kid has one bad week at Loretta’s and now he sucks according to vital.
Not just one bad week.... he didn't do well at the red bud combine either.... he just seems slower today, than he was a year ago... not a good way to enter the pro ranks....
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Setup is a dual-edged sword. Some pros are much more sensitive to setup than we amateurs are. They can feel little differences in the chassis that I could only dream of, but then can't perform if the bike isn't perfect.

I subscribe to the RC or JMB school: test, get your settings, and then ride the damn bike. Adjust your riding style for the track conditions.
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H.E.penyypacker432 wrote:
When hymas passed Ryder D at futures everyone in here was ready to hand him a 250 title. Kid has one bad week at Loretta’s and...
When hymas passed Ryder D at futures everyone in here was ready to hand him a 250 title. Kid has one bad week at Loretta’s and now he sucks according to vital.
Everyone knows your only as good as your last race.
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Only good as your last race they say, Chance is a talent for sure and this may be a good decision to regroup but at the same time this sport passes you by quick as your competition steps up to the plate. The pressure to succeed grows by the minute for these phenoms as they transition to the big show.
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
roninho wrote:
Ehmmm if that list is accurate imo it is very little racing in 6 months... I think an uninjured emx rider will probably do closer to...
Ehmmm if that list is accurate imo it is very little racing in 6 months... I think an uninjured emx rider will probably do closer to 24 then 12 races in 6 months time
Okay post Elzinga's last 6 months of races. I'd like to see 24 results.
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EnvyMedia 8/10/2022 9:31am
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
roninho wrote:
Ehmmm if that list is accurate imo it is very little racing in 6 months... I think an uninjured emx rider will probably do closer to...
Ehmmm if that list is accurate imo it is very little racing in 6 months... I think an uninjured emx rider will probably do closer to 24 then 12 races in 6 months time
NicNak wrote:
Okay post Elzinga's last 6 months of races. I'd like to see 24 results.
4 Dutch Masters
8 EMX 250
3 MX2 races
1 Dutch Championship race

Maybe 1-3 pre season races I don’t care enough to check out. I think some French or Spanish kids with more national races are probably pushing 20.
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LouisianaMotocross 8/10/2022 9:35am
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Some of you guys are just too much. Chance did not say anything about setup issues in his post. He had a bad week at one...
Some of you guys are just too much. Chance did not say anything about setup issues in his post. He had a bad week at one race and we don't know why. They are talking some time to figure it out and these last few nationals won't make or break him.
Yes he did. Go look up the “how was your weekend” video.
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I don't get how skipping races is going to help. He needs to do some races in order to know what he needs to work on, and what speed and fitness he needs to achieve.

Their argument, I assume, is they don't want to ruin his confidence, and the confidence of other people in him. I don't think this achieves that, though. You are only as good as your last race, and his last race was not good.
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
I actually think he did 4-6 local races in that time as well.

But hey....I'm sure the keyboard experts on Vital know more than the family who brought their kid up to a FACTORY HRC Ride.
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
LungButter wrote:
I actually think he did 4-6 local races in that time as well. But hey....I'm sure the keyboard experts on Vital know more than the family...
I actually think he did 4-6 local races in that time as well.

But hey....I'm sure the keyboard experts on Vital know more than the family who brought their kid up to a FACTORY HRC Ride.
I was going to point that out, but I give up. He just needs to move to Europe. lol
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Money 8/10/2022 11:44am
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All these riders are blaming bike setup when they really need to be looking in the mirror. Get the bike 70-75% and the rest if up to the rider.
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"You are only as good as your last race" should be a banner on Vital. Chance wins SLC Supercross Futures in dominant fashion then almost wins a 1 or 2 hour outdoor race the very next week (his hands blistered up while leading). If this isn't a measure of skill and toughness, I don't know what is.
He has a bad week at Loretta's and everybody is ready to write him off. Let's compile a list of some athletes that have had bad games or bad series:
Michael Jordan
Tiger Woods
Tom Brady
and the list goes on....
He is a great kid with great skills and extreme mental toughness. Give him a break for wanting to start his pro debut in a sport that is 90% mental in a good mental state. It only makes sense...
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Jeff_Crutcher 8/10/2022 12:06pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false...
You may not find him at a local fair race in Iowa, but to say Chance Hymas "never races" is wildly inaccurate. Don't believe every false narrative you read on Vital. Here's how the 6 months leading up to LL's looked for him:

Arlington SX Futures
LL Area Qualifier - Arizona
LL Area Qualifier - Utah
JS7 Freestone
Motoplayground Spring A Ding Ding
Atlanta SX Futures
Foxborough SX Futures
SLC SX Futures Final
LL Regional Qualifier - Washougal
AMA NGPC Series Utah *beat Cole Martinez
Mammoth
Red Bud Scouting Moto Combine

Maybe he went into LL's over-trained, maybe the pressure of expectations got to him mentally, maybe he has hit his ceiling and the other guys got faster, who knows? But whatever happened to him wasn't from "chasing clout at the training facility".
For the record, I meant in general. I’ve seen Hymas race many times. Love that they go racing.

I was speaking to Mike specifically on the new amateur paradigm of bypassing local races entirely to do a couple amateur nationals after training all year long.
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H.E.penyypacker432 8/10/2022 12:12pm
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crf250pilot wrote:
Everyone knows your only as good as your last race.
Tell that to the Kenny nut huggers
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The Keefer LL wrap up podcast has speculation Chance had arm pump surgery earlier this year. To me that is a much bigger story than the bike setup was off.
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AgileMike wrote:
"You are only as good as your last race" should be a banner on Vital. Chance wins SLC Supercross Futures in dominant fashion then almost wins...
"You are only as good as your last race" should be a banner on Vital. Chance wins SLC Supercross Futures in dominant fashion then almost wins a 1 or 2 hour outdoor race the very next week (his hands blistered up while leading). If this isn't a measure of skill and toughness, I don't know what is.
He has a bad week at Loretta's and everybody is ready to write him off. Let's compile a list of some athletes that have had bad games or bad series:
Michael Jordan
Tiger Woods
Tom Brady
and the list goes on....
He is a great kid with great skills and extreme mental toughness. Give him a break for wanting to start his pro debut in a sport that is 90% mental in a good mental state. It only makes sense...
How the fuck does a Pro Rider get blisters ?


Strikes me that he is another 'big thing' that isnt. Yet.

One thing that strikes me every year about LL is thet there are kids who are ' the kids' who get beat by guys who are just hammering on what they got , and bringing it home.

Seem to recall Cameron McAdoo being like that , not ' fancied' but was at the front of his classes.



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How the fuck does a Pro Rider get blisters ? Strikes me that he is another 'big thing' that isnt. Yet. One thing that strikes me...
How the fuck does a Pro Rider get blisters ?


Strikes me that he is another 'big thing' that isnt. Yet.

One thing that strikes me every year about LL is thet there are kids who are ' the kids' who get beat by guys who are just hammering on what they got , and bringing it home.

Seem to recall Cameron McAdoo being like that , not ' fancied' but was at the front of his classes.



It was an hour and a half long off road race when he got blisters.

It's actually pretty dang common for Pros at US Off Road races to get blisters, in a lot of series they race at the end of the weekend after hundreds (sometimes thousands) of racers have went before them...the tracks are beyond hammered most the time.

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motonation24 8/10/2022 2:30pm
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Not getting the experience of racing the last 3 nationals isn’t going to help. I don’t understand the decision at all, it’ll put him behind when commencing the series in 2023
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creature654 wrote:
So you’re saying that he did 3 legit races this year (the 2 in texas, and mammoth), the LLR which can be weird, and a bunch...
So you’re saying that he did 3 legit races this year (the 2 in texas, and mammoth), the LLR which can be weird, and a bunch of invite only races where he only does 1 real race a day….yeh I’m starting to get it when they say these guys pretty much never race
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And supercross futures really isn't much track time. Salt Lake City futures main was 8 laps with around 50-55 second lap times.. That isn't even 8...
And supercross futures really isn't much track time. Salt Lake City futures main was 8 laps with around 50-55 second lap times.. That isn't even 8 minutes on the track "when it counts". With all 4 of the futures combined that is a total of roughly 32 minutes of racing track time.
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Are we just going to gloss over the NGPC race he did in May, finishing second in the pro class to the defending champ? He races...
Are we just going to gloss over the NGPC race he did in May, finishing second in the pro class to the defending champ? He races motocross, off-road and supercross but his problem is he doesn't race enough? Do you think Ricky Carmichael raced more than that as an amateur?

If you want to focus on the futures races, where else would a future SX racer get gate drops and track time on a real SX track? (Don't say "at a training facility")

You guys can nit-pick his races all you want, the point doesn't change that these kids aren't hiding out at a training facility avoiding actual races.
i'm about 3 hours from the race in Utah and found out the day before he was going to be there, i wanted to drive down to watch and wished i would have. kid is talented, had a bad weekend at LL. lots of kids struggle at LL he'll be fine.
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Setup is a dual-edged sword. Some pros are much more sensitive to setup than we amateurs are. They can feel little differences in the chassis that...
Setup is a dual-edged sword. Some pros are much more sensitive to setup than we amateurs are. They can feel little differences in the chassis that I could only dream of, but then can't perform if the bike isn't perfect.

I subscribe to the RC or JMB school: test, get your settings, and then ride the damn bike. Adjust your riding style for the track conditions.
I recently read that folks at this level can feel the difference if the outer edges of triple clamps are chamfered. I was earning plastic in the B class before learning to setup suspension. These guys run a pace 98% of us will never understood.
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snillum wrote:
And supercross futures really isn't much track time. Salt Lake City futures main was 8 laps with around 50-55 second lap times.. That isn't even 8...
And supercross futures really isn't much track time. Salt Lake City futures main was 8 laps with around 50-55 second lap times.. That isn't even 8 minutes on the track "when it counts". With all 4 of the futures combined that is a total of roughly 32 minutes of racing track time.
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Are we just going to gloss over the NGPC race he did in May, finishing second in the pro class to the defending champ? He races...
Are we just going to gloss over the NGPC race he did in May, finishing second in the pro class to the defending champ? He races motocross, off-road and supercross but his problem is he doesn't race enough? Do you think Ricky Carmichael raced more than that as an amateur?

If you want to focus on the futures races, where else would a future SX racer get gate drops and track time on a real SX track? (Don't say "at a training facility")

You guys can nit-pick his races all you want, the point doesn't change that these kids aren't hiding out at a training facility avoiding actual races.
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i'm about 3 hours from the race in Utah and found out the day before he was going to be there, i wanted to drive down...
i'm about 3 hours from the race in Utah and found out the day before he was going to be there, i wanted to drive down to watch and wished i would have. kid is talented, had a bad weekend at LL. lots of kids struggle at LL he'll be fine.
I was lucky enough to watch him there and he is incredible and will def be just fine. Can’t wait to see him in outdoors next year. I believe he has a very bright future
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Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local...
Mike the new path for pro racers is to never race. Which is great, because your guys and my guys can make a living doing local races and AX, while the children are struggling with setup.

I wonder if the show is over and this is the permanent thing now? Kids (and their parents) chasing clout at the training facility over learning how to actually race..
I think it's now the new path. Supercross, Supercross, Supercross.
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Kinda makes you wonder what happened in the last year. I think you have to take into account that at that age kids hit growth spurts. You’re talking muscle bone and tendons stretching at a rapid pace within a few months. This can really cause some issues. I’ve seen it in school sports as my son was growing up. Kids go from super fast and nimble to practically tripping over their own feet on a football or soccer field. This could definitely cause some arm pump issues and just slight balance issues until he gets acquainted if he has hit one lately. Not saying that’s what it is but at that level it doesn’t take much to throw you off. Surprised this doesn’t come up ever in mx. Just something to think about.
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He should have went pro last year. 2 years in the a class is pretty silly. forgoing the pro debut will just hurt his confidence even more. this is how you kill a pro career before it starts... hope i am wrong.
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motonation24 wrote:
Not getting the experience of racing the last 3 nationals isn’t going to help. I don’t understand the decision at all, it’ll put him behind when...
Not getting the experience of racing the last 3 nationals isn’t going to help. I don’t understand the decision at all, it’ll put him behind when commencing the series in 2023
Exactly what I was thinking.

Kid got a shock at Loretta’s? Heading back to the world of perfectly groomed training tracks would only do so much.
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