Deegan bike claimed? Everyone, please stop now

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8/7/2022 5:40am Edited Date/Time 8/7/2022 5:41am
ElliotB16 wrote:
This is a BS rule. If a vet rider wants to spend 10k in trick suspension they have to give up their bike for 130% retail...
This is a BS rule. If a vet rider wants to spend 10k in trick suspension they have to give up their bike for 130% retail or get DQ and suspended for a year. It’s not helping to keep cost down, these families spend thousands of dollars to make Loretta’s.
At Loretta's the claiming rule is 200% retail. The 130% rule is for all other AMA sanctioned events, and I agree that is too low.
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8/7/2022 5:51am
I remember Brian saying in some video awhile back they would go to some GP’s
I remember Brian saying in some video awhile back they would go to some GP’s
That would have been pre covid, I think the play was to do GP's on the 125.
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8/7/2022 7:04am
Did anyone see the performance from Brendan Aaronson, what a debut!
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8/7/2022 7:14am
ajk423 wrote:
So it seems like if you're in the market for a new already tricked out bike, you just figure out where the top amateurs are racing...
So it seems like if you're in the market for a new already tricked out bike, you just figure out where the top amateurs are racing that weekend, and claim their bike at the end of the race since "all" sanctioning races are claiming races. Am I missing something?
What you are missing is that you also become the team manager for team dickhead. Would that be worth it for a few thousand bucks gain? The rule is not there to steal bikes and that type of transaction would probably wind up costing you more in retribution.
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8/7/2022 7:28am
I want to know how Star “discussed” their way out of getting the bike claimed.
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8/7/2022 8:25am Edited Date/Time 8/11/2022 4:33pm
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a claiming rule. So, don't complain about how much it costs to buy parts and pieces to make your kids competitive and make it to Loretta's. The whole point of the rule is to help keep costs in check, go ask the AMA.

It's kind of like that Morgan and Morgan commercial about they don't sue the individual they sue the insurance companies. Do any of you think Haiden, Ryder D, Chance would be out any money if their bikes were claimed? The answer is no, it's all on the factory supported teams. Didn't we just see a thread where Pro Circuit was selling Ryder D's bike for like 40K, did Mitch give any of that money to Ryder D?

Maybe, just maybe if a factory supported team had their bike claimed every once in a while, your kids wouldn't have to keep lining up against 40K bikes. Maybe the factory teams would say, we aren't putting 10K suspension or engines on the line only to be claimed and taken. That rule worked with works bikes; the production rule was helped along by the fear of Works Bikes being claimed and the costs. Good or bad it evened the playing field.

So next time you tell your kid the only reason they got beat was because the kid next to them on the line had a factory supported bike (most of you know you say that as I've heard it many times in the pits) stop and think about what the claiming rule is in place for.
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8/7/2022 8:33am
dkurtd wrote:
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a...
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a claiming rule. So, don't complain about how much it costs to buy parts and pieces to make your kids competitive and make it to Loretta's. The whole point of the rule is to help keep costs in check, go ask the AMA.

It's kind of like that Morgan and Morgan commercial about they don't sue the individual they sue the insurance companies. Do any of you think Haiden, Ryder D, Chance would be out any money if their bikes were claimed? The answer is no, it's all on the factory supported teams. Didn't we just see a thread where Pro Circuit was selling Ryder D's bike for like 40K, did Mitch give any of that money to Ryder D?

Maybe, just maybe if a factory supported team had their bike claimed every once in a while, your kids wouldn't have to keep lining up against 40K bikes. Maybe the factory teams would say, we aren't putting 10K suspension or engines on the line only to be claimed and taken. That rule worked with works bikes; the production rule was helped along by the fear of Works Bikes being claimed and the costs. Good or bad it evened the playing field.

So next time you tell your kid the only reason they got beat was because the kid next to them on the line had a factory supported bike (most of you know you say that as I've heard it many times in the pits) stop and think about what the claiming rule is in place for.
If you tell your kid he got beat because of the bike, you’re lying to them.
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8/7/2022 9:11am Edited Date/Time 8/7/2022 9:13am
Clearly not many people have ridden a good mod bike. If its not an advantage then why are they doing it? Yes, the local pro on an HRC Honda isn't going to instantly win a national but they are certainly going to qualify better and have a better chance to be in the mix than without it. The claiming rule needs to be firm for both parties, if a bike is claimed then they shouldn't be allowed to retract it and there shouldn't ever be a "discussion" between parties.
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8/7/2022 9:19am
Who cares about the bike, I just want to figure out how to stop the constant barrage of Deegan ads coming my way when I don't follow them or want to. I swear every day I get something trying to get me to watch the Deegan's over expose their lives online. I wonder how much money they spend on boosting their profiles? It's got to be a fortune.
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8/7/2022 10:08am Edited Date/Time 8/7/2022 10:11am
dkurtd wrote:
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a...
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a claiming rule. So, don't complain about how much it costs to buy parts and pieces to make your kids competitive and make it to Loretta's. The whole point of the rule is to help keep costs in check, go ask the AMA.

It's kind of like that Morgan and Morgan commercial about they don't sue the individual they sue the insurance companies. Do any of you think Haiden, Ryder D, Chance would be out any money if their bikes were claimed? The answer is no, it's all on the factory supported teams. Didn't we just see a thread where Pro Circuit was selling Ryder D's bike for like 40K, did Mitch give any of that money to Ryder D?

Maybe, just maybe if a factory supported team had their bike claimed every once in a while, your kids wouldn't have to keep lining up against 40K bikes. Maybe the factory teams would say, we aren't putting 10K suspension or engines on the line only to be claimed and taken. That rule worked with works bikes; the production rule was helped along by the fear of Works Bikes being claimed and the costs. Good or bad it evened the playing field.

So next time you tell your kid the only reason they got beat was because the kid next to them on the line had a factory supported bike (most of you know you say that as I've heard it many times in the pits) stop and think about what the claiming rule is in place for.
Sandusky26 wrote:
If you tell your kid he got beat because of the bike, you’re lying to them.
Not going to dispute that parents lie to their kids. It's done pretty much across all sports (best pitcher, best quarterback, best goalie, and the list goes on).

I will say my KX450 was a much better bike after a suspension revalve/new springs, exhaust, and ECU reflash. My laps times without a doubt improved.

Are you planning any mods for your new KX450? Are you going to get the suspension done? You ever think if I improved this one thing on the bike my lap times would come down?

So, at the end of the day money spent on mods to the bike do make a difference.
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8/7/2022 10:17am
dkurtd wrote:
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a...
It's funny the same people that complain about how expensive the sport has gotten are the same ones in this thread saying there shouldn't be a claiming rule. So, don't complain about how much it costs to buy parts and pieces to make your kids competitive and make it to Loretta's. The whole point of the rule is to help keep costs in check, go ask the AMA.

It's kind of like that Morgan and Morgan commercial about they don't sue the individual they sue the insurance companies. Do any of you think Haiden, Ryder D, Chance would be out any money if their bikes were claimed? The answer is no, it's all on the factory supported teams. Didn't we just see a thread where Pro Circuit was selling Ryder D's bike for like 40K, did Mitch give any of that money to Ryder D?

Maybe, just maybe if a factory supported team had their bike claimed every once in a while, your kids wouldn't have to keep lining up against 40K bikes. Maybe the factory teams would say, we aren't putting 10K suspension or engines on the line only to be claimed and taken. That rule worked with works bikes; the production rule was helped along by the fear of Works Bikes being claimed and the costs. Good or bad it evened the playing field.

So next time you tell your kid the only reason they got beat was because the kid next to them on the line had a factory supported bike (most of you know you say that as I've heard it many times in the pits) stop and think about what the claiming rule is in place for.
Lol very few people are going to get that Morgan and Morgan reference 😂 you must be near Nashville. We should moto sometime
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8/7/2022 10:20am
Who cares about the bike, I just want to figure out how to stop the constant barrage of Deegan ads coming my way when I don't...
Who cares about the bike, I just want to figure out how to stop the constant barrage of Deegan ads coming my way when I don't follow them or want to. I swear every day I get something trying to get me to watch the Deegan's over expose their lives online. I wonder how much money they spend on boosting their profiles? It's got to be a fortune.
However much they spend on advertising they are making wayyyyyyy more than that. From views/merch sells. You don’t have to like it but they one of the very few that have figured out how to get through the amateur ranks without second mortgaging their house and racking up thousands in credit card debt
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8/7/2022 10:41am
The biggest amateur MX event, a well known rider, and STILL no firm details or press. Unless maybe the “Claiming Rule" got changed at the last minute? THIS.......................




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Who cares about the bike, I just want to figure out how to stop the constant barrage of Deegan ads coming my way when I don't...
Who cares about the bike, I just want to figure out how to stop the constant barrage of Deegan ads coming my way when I don't follow them or want to. I swear every day I get something trying to get me to watch the Deegan's over expose their lives online. I wonder how much money they spend on boosting their profiles? It's got to be a fortune.
kripple428 wrote:
However much they spend on advertising they are making wayyyyyyy more than that. From views/merch sells. You don’t have to like it but they one of...
However much they spend on advertising they are making wayyyyyyy more than that. From views/merch sells. You don’t have to like it but they one of the very few that have figured out how to get through the amateur ranks without second mortgaging their house and racking up thousands in credit card debt
There’s an old saying “ To make a small fortune in Amateur Mx racing you must first start with a large fortune”
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8/7/2022 12:07pm
lostboy819 wrote:
I agree that there is no way Star is going to run a cheater, hell they don't have to.
They have no reason to run a cheater and it would be dumb on many levels but the fact is they spent hours negotiating to keep the bike. That doesn’t make since to me and a lot of other people. Especially because it’s arguably the most successful race team in mx/six right now.. let little Chadwick’s rich Dad buy the bike so he can go back home and tell everyone he has dangerboy Deegans bike what’s the big deal?
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8/7/2022 12:13pm
Motodave15 wrote:
I’m curious, how the hell can people tell the difference in forks and triple clamps on photos? I can barely see the differences in person.. and...
I’m curious, how the hell can people tell the difference in forks and triple clamps on photos? I can barely see the differences in person.. and looking at that hymas post… I don’t see anything that’s “hrc” factory looking.
That’s why below that pic I posted this one it’s better and you can see the HRC triple clamps and the forks looks same as Lawrence...
That’s why below that pic I posted this one it’s better and you can see the HRC triple clamps and the forks looks same as Lawrence brothers run and HRC skid plate


mxb2 wrote:
Lawrence brothers use A kit forks,. 450 hrc guys use factory forks.
Not anymore really. The HRC 450 guys are basically on A-Kit forks and A-kit shock now…well, except Sexton’s BFRC.
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8/7/2022 1:28pm
I want to know how Star “discussed” their way out of getting the bike claimed.
Guy who made claim will get some trick Yamahas at his door next week but not Deegans Pro bike.
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8/7/2022 3:15pm
I’ve never personally seen a bike be claimed, and I can only remember hearing about this kinda thing happening once or twice. Claiming a bike seems like it would be a big “no-no” and a good way to get black listed. I feel like I would have been horrified if my dad tried to claim someone’s bike when I was racing as a kid.
8/7/2022 4:15pm
88FYNN88 wrote:
MSRP for a 2023 KX 250 is $8,499. So, if someone wanted Ryder Ds bike they could put a claim in for $16,998 for a factory...
MSRP for a 2023 KX 250 is $8,499. So, if someone wanted Ryder Ds bike they could put a claim in for $16,998 for a factory PC bike. That kind of seems like a great deal if someone wanted a top of the line PC Kawi bike. Why does that not happen more?
Exactly what I was I thinking? The average Joe at Loretta's has at least $10k wrapped up into a bike without motor work..
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8/7/2022 6:38pm
So, if the bike was actually claimed do they have to come out and say it officially was? Or who claimed it? I still think it’s odd that all happened and then Brian came out saying he was racing a new bike and motor the next day. Why did he get a new bike the next day if the other was not claimed…..
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8/7/2022 7:41pm
I keep seeing the word cheating, cheating, cheating in this thread. I think some of you might misunderstand this rule. You could run a million dollar bike if you want, and, as long as it complies with all the equipment rules, it is not a cheater bike and you cannot get disqualified for it. But do so at your own risk because technically anyone in that race could claim it by just putting up the 200% MSRP. Like many others have said, it's a deterrent for the big teams to bring full blown factory bikes, and to keep a level playing filed. I think we all know that there are many bikes out there that have thousands of dollars in them and well worth that 200% let alone the 130% at non nationals (which is too low if you ask me). But the rule is just to keep those big teams for going way too crazy, it is not meant for the Joe the vet rider to claim Larry the vet dentist rider's 20k bike. The claim rule is kind of a taboo thing in my opinion, basically you're kind of a dick for exercising it, and that's why you don't see it done more often.
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8/7/2022 7:45pm
So basically, much ado about nothing.
That's not the impression I got. Someone claimed his bike and something transpired that eventually led to the claim being "rescinded" . The question is what transpired between Deegan/Yamaha and whoever claimed the motorcycle that eventually led to the claim and presumably the claimed motorcycle being rescinded.

And moreover is that within the rules to have a factory negotiate the claimed motorcycle without apparently the claimed motorcycle being transferred to the claimee.

Let's just say I went to the race rode whatever class had some factory motorcycles being ridden in that class and had a friend loan me some money to claim one of the factory bikes. What if my only intention of claiming it to negotiate a better return on my money without actually ever wanting to own the motorcycle. Claim the bike for $17K and tell the factory, "I tell you what give me $10k and I'll drop the claim". That's a pretty good return. Oh, and I don't care one bit if the factory's hate my guts.
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8/7/2022 8:00pm
So who made the claim?
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8/7/2022 8:12pm
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out the other manufacturers would also try to claim it (to protect their own bikes from claims), so the original claimant dropped the claim because he'd more than likely lose?
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8/7/2022 8:31pm
Sully wrote:
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out...
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out the other manufacturers would also try to claim it (to protect their own bikes from claims), so the original claimant dropped the claim because he'd more than likely lose?
Rules have changed since 1979. The latest rules are back on page 6.
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8/7/2022 9:03pm
The claim rule is the coolest thing I've heard of in a long time.

But, like most rules, it doesn't apply to the rich and powerful.
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8/7/2022 10:13pm
Sully wrote:
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out...
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out the other manufacturers would also try to claim it (to protect their own bikes from claims), so the original claimant dropped the claim because he'd more than likely lose?
Why would that make him drop the claim? Does it say anywhere in the rules listed earlier that you lose the money if you lose the claim?
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8/7/2022 11:14pm
Sully wrote:
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out...
Instead of some grand conspiracy that Brian Deegan and Yamaha paid off the guy who made the claim, does anyone else think that word got out the other manufacturers would also try to claim it (to protect their own bikes from claims), so the original claimant dropped the claim because he'd more than likely lose?
chad_111 wrote:
Why would that make him drop the claim? Does it say anywhere in the rules listed earlier that you lose the money if you lose the...
Why would that make him drop the claim? Does it say anywhere in the rules listed earlier that you lose the money if you lose the claim?
You wouldn’t think so, would you?

If multiple riders made a claim against one bike- only one rider would be successful, but why would the others lose their money? That makes no sense.
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