Ok Flo sucks too.

TXDirt wrote:

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go? Perhaps a terse email will get the point across. The...

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go?

Perhaps a terse email will get the point across.

The crap streaming technology is one thing.

The absolute atrocious production is another.

As President of MX Sports, can you use your clout and tell them to stop showing commercials with two laps left. It’s your product. It’s your team.

TXDirt wrote:

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go? Perhaps a terse email will get the point across. The...

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go?

Perhaps a terse email will get the point across.

The crap streaming technology is one thing.

The absolute atrocious production is another.

As President of MX Sports, can you use your clout and tell them to stop showing commercials with two laps left. It’s your product. It’s your team.

Broseph wrote:

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many...

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many commercials in as possible for the rest of the year to make good on whatever contracts they have with the sponsors.

Likely why DC can’t acknowledge the in-moto ads as being a bad thing. If you notice, he acts like they do not exist.

DC wrote:

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could...

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could do in the middle of the series. There are four races left, we can't just quit showing them.

DC
Racer X

TXDirt wrote:

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go? Perhaps a terse email will get the point across. The...

DC, as President, can you tell them to stop airing commercials with two laps to go?

Perhaps a terse email will get the point across.

The crap streaming technology is one thing.

The absolute atrocious production is another.

As President of MX Sports, can you use your clout and tell them to stop showing commercials with two laps left. It’s your product. It’s your team.

Broseph wrote:

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many...

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many commercials in as possible for the rest of the year to make good on whatever contracts they have with the sponsors.

Likely why DC can’t acknowledge the in-moto ads as being a bad thing. If you notice, he acts like they do not exist.

TXDirt wrote:

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they...

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they would wonder WTF is the production team doing.

No way can you watch it and conclude, yup, we can’t do any better.

Broseph wrote:

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many...

I’m sure the sponsors are not happy about everybody struggling to watch (fewer eyes on their ads), so MXSports is probably going to cram as many commercials in as possible for the rest of the year to make good on whatever contracts they have with the sponsors.

Likely why DC can’t acknowledge the in-moto ads as being a bad thing. If you notice, he acts like they do not exist.

TXDirt wrote:

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they...

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they would wonder WTF is the production team doing.

No way can you watch it and conclude, yup, we can’t do any better.

Broseph wrote:

At this point they don’t have a choice. Sponsors first, viewers second. No way DC can openly say “hey guys, yeah I know all the moto...

At this point they don’t have a choice. Sponsors first, viewers second. No way DC can openly say “hey guys, yeah I know all the moto interruptions suck…” because those interruptions are paying the bills.

Nathaniel129 wrote:

DC, you choosing to reply to the low-hanging fruit of childish accusations while ignoring the rest of our legitimate concerns is not a good look. Sorry...

DC, you choosing to reply to the low-hanging fruit of childish accusations while ignoring the rest of our legitimate concerns is not a good look. Sorry.
You reply to those and then say you're off to another race....respectfully, this is getting even worse.
You are losing the faith of the fans who have more or less stuck by you for the last few months.

DC wrote:

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could...

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could do in the middle of the series. There are four races left, we can't just quit showing them.

DC
Racer X

Nathaniel129 wrote:

What do I want you to do? The same thing we ALL want you to do; not pick and choose what to address. My original post...

What do I want you to do? The same thing we ALL want you to do; not pick and choose what to address.
My original post was pretty clear it's NOT just about the streaming issues. For me I've never had an issue streaming or watching on YouTube TV (MAVTV channel)
My points are based on things entirely in your control, such as Bondo's performance and decisions, and the ad/commercial placement this year. Maybe the ad/commercial placement ISN'T in your control, but we have no idea because you won't address that issue.
Actually, you did address that after the first race, saying it was a mistake due to the paid vs free stream.
Well it hasn't changed, and we are still paying to see ads instead of racing??
You are better than this, DC.

DC wrote:

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could...

What else do you want me to do? MAVTV Plus didn't work, they moved everything to FloRacing, and it's not ideal, but it's all we could do in the middle of the series. There are four races left, we can't just quit showing them.

DC
Racer X

Nathaniel129 wrote:

What do I want you to do? The same thing we ALL want you to do; not pick and choose what to address. My original post...

What do I want you to do? The same thing we ALL want you to do; not pick and choose what to address.
My original post was pretty clear it's NOT just about the streaming issues. For me I've never had an issue streaming or watching on YouTube TV (MAVTV channel)
My points are based on things entirely in your control, such as Bondo's performance and decisions, and the ad/commercial placement this year. Maybe the ad/commercial placement ISN'T in your control, but we have no idea because you won't address that issue.
Actually, you did address that after the first race, saying it was a mistake due to the paid vs free stream.
Well it hasn't changed, and we are still paying to see ads instead of racing??
You are better than this, DC.

DC wrote:

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread. Motocross motos are...

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread.

Motocross motos are 35 minutes long with continuous action. MAVTV is a network that airs commercials, and they are trying to find a way to stick as few of them as possible in the middle of the actual racing, I hated that they went to a commercial with two or three laps to go, but they had not taken a commercial break the whole moto because they had a 3-way battle for the lead. Bondo or whoever made the call was trying to serve both the viewers and the network but running out of time. Bondo loves this sport as much as anyone and he wants to get it right as well, but sometimes things just don't work out the way we hoped and thought they would. It's the nature of live action sports that don't perfectly fit a TV block (like much shorter SX races) and don't come with timeouts.

I did not want commercials on the pay stream but both FloRacing and MAVTV Plus before that do show commercials on their pay streams. I asked for at least a PIP and they have been using that more, but it's not perfect for everyone.

We have four races to go, and they will keep trying to do better, but they will unfortunately have limited commercials, I can't change that now. We are also working very hard on fixes for next year and beyond.

This has been a mess, no doubt about it, in an otherwise great summer of racing and events. Please don't let the streaming failures or television director's decisions or the platforms' commercial policies ruin the whole sport for you.

DC
Racer X

TXDirt wrote:

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they...

It’s like he’s never sat down and watched a production start to finish. Or tasked someone with doing it. If they did, I sure hope they would wonder WTF is the production team doing.

No way can you watch it and conclude, yup, we can’t do any better.

Broseph wrote:

At this point they don’t have a choice. Sponsors first, viewers second. No way DC can openly say “hey guys, yeah I know all the moto...

At this point they don’t have a choice. Sponsors first, viewers second. No way DC can openly say “hey guys, yeah I know all the moto interruptions suck…” because those interruptions are paying the bills.

TXDirt wrote:

I’ll disagree. Originally when you signed up for the PAID subscription at MavTv+ it was supposed to be commercial free. For those that signed up again...

I’ll disagree. Originally when you signed up for the PAID subscription at MavTv+ it was supposed to be commercial free. For those that signed up again and paid for Flo sports I would think that should be commercial free.

Alas, part of the problem. No one knows jack shit about the product. DC doesn’t seem to know. The fans obviously don’t know.

There was a commercial inside a commercial during the broadcast!! How does that happen???!!!

Yet we are asked to fork over money to stream this product.

It’s astounding that amount of complete ineptitude by the people running the show.

GrapeApe wrote:

That was strange all of the NBC Sports branding for a channel that no longer exists. The TdF was broadcast on USA Network. Edit: I looked...

That was strange all of the NBC Sports branding for a channel that no longer exists. The TdF was broadcast on USA Network.

Edit: I looked back and the branding was "NBC Sports" not "NBC Sports Network", which is a catch-all for any event produced by NBC and broadcast on their various networks.

DC wrote:

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread. Motocross motos are...

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread.

Motocross motos are 35 minutes long with continuous action. MAVTV is a network that airs commercials, and they are trying to find a way to stick as few of them as possible in the middle of the actual racing, I hated that they went to a commercial with two or three laps to go, but they had not taken a commercial break the whole moto because they had a 3-way battle for the lead. Bondo or whoever made the call was trying to serve both the viewers and the network but running out of time. Bondo loves this sport as much as anyone and he wants to get it right as well, but sometimes things just don't work out the way we hoped and thought they would. It's the nature of live action sports that don't perfectly fit a TV block (like much shorter SX races) and don't come with timeouts.

I did not want commercials on the pay stream but both FloRacing and MAVTV Plus before that do show commercials on their pay streams. I asked for at least a PIP and they have been using that more, but it's not perfect for everyone.

We have four races to go, and they will keep trying to do better, but they will unfortunately have limited commercials, I can't change that now. We are also working very hard on fixes for next year and beyond.

This has been a mess, no doubt about it, in an otherwise great summer of racing and events. Please don't let the streaming failures or television director's decisions or the platforms' commercial policies ruin the whole sport for you.

DC
Racer X

Hammer 663s wrote:

Sorry yet another thread on this. No not that Flo but I’m down for that at least. Spent all day Saturday at Washougal. Awesome day with...

Sorry yet another thread on this. No not that Flo but I’m down for that at least.

Spent all day Saturday at Washougal. Awesome day with great weather and racing, and a huge crowd. Just sat down to watch replays after a busy day working on bikes in the shop.

Fvcking 480p quality. Almost unwatchable. 250 moto 1 started 15 seconds into the moto. No lead in, no nothing just right into the race well after the gate drop.

Oh and now “no input signal” and it freezes.

I fvcking love this sport. It’s my #1 passion. DC you are fvcking us with this shit. Yeah I know Washougal is in the woods. Record it local and give us something decent. This is a joke.

DC wrote:

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread. Motocross motos are...

Nathaniel, I don't know where or what your original posts were about, or even if you mean just the one in this thread.

Motocross motos are 35 minutes long with continuous action. MAVTV is a network that airs commercials, and they are trying to find a way to stick as few of them as possible in the middle of the actual racing, I hated that they went to a commercial with two or three laps to go, but they had not taken a commercial break the whole moto because they had a 3-way battle for the lead. Bondo or whoever made the call was trying to serve both the viewers and the network but running out of time. Bondo loves this sport as much as anyone and he wants to get it right as well, but sometimes things just don't work out the way we hoped and thought they would. It's the nature of live action sports that don't perfectly fit a TV block (like much shorter SX races) and don't come with timeouts.

I did not want commercials on the pay stream but both FloRacing and MAVTV Plus before that do show commercials on their pay streams. I asked for at least a PIP and they have been using that more, but it's not perfect for everyone.

We have four races to go, and they will keep trying to do better, but they will unfortunately have limited commercials, I can't change that now. We are also working very hard on fixes for next year and beyond.

This has been a mess, no doubt about it, in an otherwise great summer of racing and events. Please don't let the streaming failures or television director's decisions or the platforms' commercial policies ruin the whole sport for you.

DC
Racer X

mx_579 wrote:

Are the sponsors paying specifically for screen time during the race? For X amount of time per hour? The race is 35 minutes. I don't care...

Are the sponsors paying specifically for screen time during the race? For X amount of time per hour? The race is 35 minutes. I don't care if the entire time not racing is filled with commercials. That's damn near half the time. If they are paying specifically for time during the race, it's a poor marketing technique because it makes me bitter toward them.
Also, it's not possible to not let the poor tv coverage ruin it when the closest national is a day's drive away and can't spend 1k or more for a fly away vacation.

ondarvr wrote:

To those that say "it worked for me, just get a different provider". I unplugged years ago, no cable (not available), no satellite (far too expensive)...

To those that say "it worked for me, just get a different provider". I unplugged years ago, no cable (not available), no satellite (far too expensive), and the apps from Mav and Flo don't work with some technology. And the only way to know which provider it may work with is to subscribe to each one and see if it works on Saturday. I checked the other programming on both Mav and Flo during the races when I was either getting no feed, or terrible quality. All other programming was perfect and much better quality, it appeared only MX was a problem.

If Mav or Flo told us how to jump through the hoops to get a good streaming experience it may not have been such a fiasco. It seems like they just took our money, laughed, and said "figure it out yourself".

Pakoyz250f wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/25/561315/s1200_south_park_bp_sorry1.jpg[/img] Sorry DC but a "sorry" is not enough... When we pay for something there is a lot of clauses or whatever... Is there a contract...

Sorry DC but a "sorry" is not enough... When we pay for something there is a lot of clauses or whatever... Is there a contract of the service that they give? Or they just say sorry DC we messed up, yeah ok don´t worry... that sucks!!

I post this because I am very passionate of this sport... I have payed for all the streaming services since they were available, SX, MXGP, Nationals and also VPN services... and to get this is not fair.

These races have been awesome and it gets me mad that is so hard to watch... to have commercials during a close battle...

For me is weak that you say "yeah I can´t figure this out I´m going to attend my other bussines Im sorry... "


I can´t say that to my clients... Yeah I´m sorry I try my best.

Edit: MXGP has it without commercials.. why they can?? I would gladly pay more for a service like that... it's pretty good.

CraigCrashes wrote:

Best season of racing in years. Worst coverage ever.

And DC is no where to be found. Lol classic

DC wrote:

No, I am right here. I have done everything I can to get it fixed. I am not a streaming service, I am helping put on...

No, I am right here. I have done everything I can to get it fixed. I am not a streaming service, I am helping put on the races, and to your point, we're seeing some of the best racing in years. The path we tried when NBC Sports and peacock went away failed on the streaming front and now this new platform is trying to get it right. I saw it it freeze at the start of the first 250 moto and I just can't do anything about it when I'm on the other side of the country working at another race track. It came back on halfway through the first lap, but yes, we all missed the start.

I am sorry it's not working the way we thought it would when the season started.

DC
Racer X

8tensolutions wrote:

Davey, Most of us know this is not your fault and I for one appreciate your response. The situation is a disaster to say the least...

Davey,

Most of us know this is not your fault and I for one appreciate your response. The situation is a disaster to say the least and we know you don't accept this either. Hopefully the break will give whomever is responsible enough time to at least make it watchable.

Thank you!

Leave Us To wrote:

I don't know why DC even bothers to respond, Since his response wasn't good enough for you, what exactly from DC would make it all better...

I don't know why DC even bothers to respond, Since his response wasn't good enough for you, what exactly from DC would make it all better anyway?"

BTW since it is obvious you feel like you didn't get what you paid for, please contact your credit card company for a refund.

dboivin wrote:

at the moment. i will take a facebook live kid standing on the side of the track with his iphone. he can even commentate it for...

at the moment. i will take a facebook live kid standing on the side of the track with his iphone. he can even commentate it for all i care. I hate hearing how great and competitive our motocross is right now.....and we can't even watch it lol.....so we don't even know if thats true. every little tidbit that hits youtube is struck down as fast as it shows up.

GrapeApe wrote:

That was strange all of the NBC Sports branding for a channel that no longer exists. The TdF was broadcast on USA Network. Edit: I looked...

That was strange all of the NBC Sports branding for a channel that no longer exists. The TdF was broadcast on USA Network.

Edit: I looked back and the branding was "NBC Sports" not "NBC Sports Network", which is a catch-all for any event produced by NBC and broadcast on their various networks.

TheMilkman wrote:

I get it that the channel NBC Sports is gone. But they still broadcast sports. Much like they broadcast the Supercross season without the NBC Sports...

I get it that the channel NBC Sports is gone. But they still broadcast sports. Much like they broadcast the Supercross season without the NBC Sports channel this year. I found it odd that it was on multiple channels and laughed about it playing to unsuspecting viewers in hospital waiting rooms on CNBC…but whatever.

DC mentioned in that interview with ML that NBC wanted to air most races first run on Tuesdays. I presume the majority of motocross fans (especially the ones bitching here) wouldn’t care when it first ran on TV because they would have already watched it on the Peacock app live. Advertisers weren’t stoked on this apparently. I guess they prefer to advertise on live racing that a very small amount of viewers are watching.

I think that NBC/Peacock was an option. It just wasn’t the most profitable option.

suspensionguy wrote:

Flo racing killed Snocross last year, if the partnership continues with flo moto is next. It is not a platform that promotes growth, it only reduces...

Flo racing killed Snocross last year, if the partnership continues with flo moto is next. It is not a platform that promotes growth, it only reduces viewership.

It is nice that we have a open platform like vital to talk about it. Snocross simply blocks those that speak the truth about flo on their social media.

Check out flo racing’s better business bureau complaints. I was shocked that Snocross and Motocross have both chosen to partner with a company that has such a poor moral compass. They have been pulling the annual billing scam for 3 years now, with 1,000 formal complaints. https://www.bbb.org/us/tx/austin/profile/digital-media/flosports-inc-08…

soggy wrote:

I’ve watched every moto since week 1.

Jeez are there some drama queens in here.