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Maverick313 wrote:
Maybe JLaw should have thought about winning the race, instead of worrying so much about Dungey. Maybe then he would have at least one win in...
Maybe JLaw should have thought about winning the race, instead of worrying so much about Dungey. Maybe then he would have at least one win in AMA records.
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Maverick313 wrote:
That is a regional title. JLaw is not even in the AMA records, but Dungey is right there at number 5. Check for yourself;http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeAMAWins.htm
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as like Justin Bogle.
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 3:34pm
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Maverick313 wrote:
That is a regional title. JLaw is not even in the AMA records, but Dungey is right there at number 5. Check for yourself;http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeAMAWins.htm
vdrsnk04 wrote:
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as...
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as like Justin Bogle.
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least as impressive style?
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Maverick313 wrote:
That is a regional title. JLaw is not even in the AMA records, but Dungey is right there at number 5. Check for yourself;http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeAMAWins.htm
vdrsnk04 wrote:
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as...
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as like Justin Bogle.
Because REGIONAL wins/titles are not counted in NATIONAL (125/250/450 nationals, 450 or formerly 250 supercross) series stats.

In fact, until recently regional wins didn’t count for National points/numbers. There was a reason for that.
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Maverick313 wrote:
That is a regional title. JLaw is not even in the AMA records, but Dungey is right there at number 5. Check for yourself;http://mxbob.com/AllTime/AllTimeAMAWins.htm
vdrsnk04 wrote:
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as...
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as like Justin Bogle.
Dirty Points wrote:
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least...
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least as impressive style?
I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:02pm
6/23/2022 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2022 4:04pm
vdrsnk04 wrote:
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as...
I am confused how isn’t JLaw on that list? He has more wins then some of those guys on that list. Same amount of titles as like Justin Bogle.
Dirty Points wrote:
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least...
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least as impressive style?
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I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
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Johnny Ringo 6/23/2022 4:03pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least...
Can you imagine if Vital was all aflutter about Justin Bogle potentially riding a national, when he has been inarguably, career-wise a better rider with at-least as impressive style?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:05pm
6/23/2022 4:05pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2022 4:08pm
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
I didnt say for a championship.

Both JLAw and Bogle only have a few wins. JLAW beat a teenaged Dungey when he was 22, and we are celebrate like he outgamed him. Of course he should.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
And truthfully, I don’t think bogle has ever actually beat Roczen in a heads up race? His famous Lakewood ride was only against Eli
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Johnny Ringo 6/23/2022 4:09pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
Dirty Points wrote:
I didnt say for a championship. Both JLAw and Bogle only have a few wins. JLAW beat a teenaged Dungey when he was 22, and we...
I didnt say for a championship.

Both JLAw and Bogle only have a few wins. JLAW beat a teenaged Dungey when he was 22, and we are celebrate like he outgamed him. Of course he should.
You still initially claimed Bogle beat a grown ass Dungey, which was false
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:10pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I mean, bogle raced two nationals literally this year. Not like he’s been MIA for 12 years.
Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
I didn't intend it to be stealth. I thought Dungey may have raced the same year Bogle won in Thunder Valley and Budds. Either way the accomplishment is more than JLAW ever touched.
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:19pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
And truthfully, I don’t think bogle has ever actually beat Roczen in a heads up race? His famous Lakewood ride was only against Eli
Bogle beat Roczen Redbud 2019
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Johnny Ringo 6/23/2022 4:26pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship? Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a...
When did bogle beat Dungey for a championship?

Edit: ah, nice stealth edit there buddy. Point stands, when did Bogle beat Tomac or Roczen for a (even regional) title? Did I miss that?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
And truthfully, I don’t think bogle has ever actually beat Roczen in a heads up race? His famous Lakewood ride was only against Eli
Dirty Points wrote:
Bogle beat Roczen Redbud 2019
Not for the overall?
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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:52pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
And truthfully, I don’t think bogle has ever actually beat Roczen in a heads up race? His famous Lakewood ride was only against Eli
Dirty Points wrote:
Bogle beat Roczen Redbud 2019
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Not for the overall?
Honestly don't really remember, how did JLAw do in that race?
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Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc.



I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something you say is inarguable. Bogle has 0 podiums in 450SX, JLaw has 1. They both have a 250 championship. Bogle has 1 podium in 450 MX (a win), and JLaw has 1 podium as well, a third at Washougal 2009.

So all-in-all, JLaw has more 450 podiums than Bogle, although Bogle has that one overall that I think weighs heavier. But, Bogle has over a decade of results and Lawrence has about 5 years.




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Dirty Points 6/23/2022 4:59pm
6/23/2022 4:59pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2022 5:11pm
Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
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Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/23/556474/s1200_Screenshot_20220623_184258_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img] I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something...
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc.



I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something you say is inarguable. Bogle has 0 podiums in 450SX, JLaw has 1. They both have a 250 championship. Bogle has 1 podium in 450 MX (a win), and JLaw has 1 podium as well, a third at Washougal 2009.

So all-in-all, JLaw has more 450 podiums than Bogle, although Bogle has that one overall that I think weighs heavier. But, Bogle has over a decade of results and Lawrence has about 5 years.




You're right. I am wrong. And I agree.

JLaw is arguably (but maybe not) a Bogle-level rider. I do really like Bogle's style, though.
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Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
USA wrote:
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/23/556474/s1200_Screenshot_20220623_184258_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img] I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something...
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc.



I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something you say is inarguable. Bogle has 0 podiums in 450SX, JLaw has 1. They both have a 250 championship. Bogle has 1 podium in 450 MX (a win), and JLaw has 1 podium as well, a third at Washougal 2009.

So all-in-all, JLaw has more 450 podiums than Bogle, although Bogle has that one overall that I think weighs heavier. But, Bogle has over a decade of results and Lawrence has about 5 years.




This is why I was confused by that link. I wasn’t defending jlaw lol!

But by what you just said he should be on the same list as Bogle or many of the others that are on that random list.
wide open wally 6/23/2022 6:12pm
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Dirty Points wrote:
Jlaw's biggest claim is apparently beating a teen-aged Ryan Dungey.

Bogle has beaten grown-man Tomac, Roczen, etc.
USA wrote:
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/06/23/556474/s1200_Screenshot_20220623_184258_Samsung_Internet.jpg[/img] I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something...
Jason Lawrence beat grown-man legends of the sport like Kevin Windham, James Stewart, etc.



I'm just not sure you're making the best argument on something you say is inarguable. Bogle has 0 podiums in 450SX, JLaw has 1. They both have a 250 championship. Bogle has 1 podium in 450 MX (a win), and JLaw has 1 podium as well, a third at Washougal 2009.

So all-in-all, JLaw has more 450 podiums than Bogle, although Bogle has that one overall that I think weighs heavier. But, Bogle has over a decade of results and Lawrence has about 5 years.




Let’s not forget how much of the first turn JLaw cut off to get into the front 2-3 guys in Daytona where most of the top guys were sprawled out in the first turn. If that’s todays AMA he’s getting docked so fucking fast

With that being said, I’m a big JLaw riding style guy, he has one of the most unique styles in the last 20 years. We need a few JLaws to spice it up some.
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
Would he qualify? Serious question
I think he may be able to put a heater in to qualify , but I doubt he puts in 30 plus 2 and scores points
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
Would he qualify? Serious question
str8line wrote:
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time...
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time in on the bike, even after a long lay off.
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail.
I wouldn't bet against him qualifying.
The question is where he would finish. Top 10?
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If I had a farm I’d bet it he don’t race.
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if u think he'll show up....i've got a bridge to sell you...
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
Would he qualify? Serious question
str8line wrote:
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time...
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time in on the bike, even after a long lay off.
Radical wrote:
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail. I wouldn't...
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail.
I wouldn't bet against him qualifying.
The question is where he would finish. Top 10?
NO WAY he would finish in the top 10.
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Dirty Points 6/24/2022 10:43am
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str8line wrote:
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time...
In my opinion a former champion at 35 could probably come back to qualifying speed as long as he was fit enough and put the time in on the bike, even after a long lay off.
Radical wrote:
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail. I wouldn't...
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail.
I wouldn't bet against him qualifying.
The question is where he would finish. Top 10?
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NO WAY he would finish in the top 10.
Yeah. Let's be real: The best rider in history, at the same age as JLaw, just left the series.

He was an incredibly disciplined athlete throughout his career, right up to present-day. He was an insane talent to match anybody in the sport. He had only a few months since his last race, full factory support, and he was just inside 5-10 postioning.
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Vital on believing in Jason Lawrence comebacks
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motoxxx599 6/24/2022 10:54am
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My crystal ball says He doesn’t make the fast 40 .. most likely won’t show up anyway but if he did he would be 50th fastest and DNF the consi race and we don’t hear from him again.
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Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail. I wouldn't...
Everything I've read about J-Law over the years (mostly here), is that he rides all the time, and that he still hauls the mail.
I wouldn't bet against him qualifying.
The question is where he would finish. Top 10?
Gordon Liddy wrote:
NO WAY he would finish in the top 10.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yeah. Let's be real: The best rider in history, at the same age as JLaw, just left the series. He was an incredibly disciplined athlete throughout...
Yeah. Let's be real: The best rider in history, at the same age as JLaw, just left the series.

He was an incredibly disciplined athlete throughout his career, right up to present-day. He was an insane talent to match anybody in the sport. He had only a few months since his last race, full factory support, and he was just inside 5-10 postioning.
There's been a big gap between the front runners and the next group, this next group being well within the top 10. We're talking 45 seconds or more behind the winner.
How in the world do you know where an ex-pro, who never stopped riding would finish?
I don't.
If he accomplished a top 10, that would be great.
Considering how difficult it was for Dungey to find that speed, it would be a shocker if JLaw got into the lead group on a single race.
I'd also be surprised if he finished below 15th.
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Dirty Points 6/24/2022 2:29pm
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Gordon Liddy wrote:
NO WAY he would finish in the top 10.
Dirty Points wrote:
Yeah. Let's be real: The best rider in history, at the same age as JLaw, just left the series. He was an incredibly disciplined athlete throughout...
Yeah. Let's be real: The best rider in history, at the same age as JLaw, just left the series.

He was an incredibly disciplined athlete throughout his career, right up to present-day. He was an insane talent to match anybody in the sport. He had only a few months since his last race, full factory support, and he was just inside 5-10 postioning.
Radical wrote:
There's been a big gap between the front runners and the next group, this next group being well within the top 10. We're talking 45 seconds...
There's been a big gap between the front runners and the next group, this next group being well within the top 10. We're talking 45 seconds or more behind the winner.
How in the world do you know where an ex-pro, who never stopped riding would finish?
I don't.
If he accomplished a top 10, that would be great.
Considering how difficult it was for Dungey to find that speed, it would be a shocker if JLaw got into the lead group on a single race.
I'd also be surprised if he finished below 15th.
I actually know exactly where an ex-pro who never stopped riding would finish.

Because Cairoli is the ex-pro who dispatched RV, secured several more championships, continued for a decade, and never stopped riding. He is roughly the same age as JLaw, an enormously better pro at all levels of competition, and a 5-10 guy (at best) in every race he participated in this year's series.
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motoxxx599 wrote:
My crystal ball says He doesn’t make the fast 40 .. most likely won’t show up anyway but if he did he would be 50th fastest...
My crystal ball says He doesn’t make the fast 40 .. most likely won’t show up anyway but if he did he would be 50th fastest and DNF the consi race and we don’t hear from him again.
Mine says he does show up , barely qualifies , and then pulls the holeshot with the 37th gate pick … and vital melts all the way down .
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I didnt say for a championship. Both JLAw and Bogle only have a few wins. JLAW beat a teenaged Dungey when he was 22, and we...
I didnt say for a championship.

Both JLAw and Bogle only have a few wins. JLAW beat a teenaged Dungey when he was 22, and we are celebrate like he outgamed him. Of course he should.
Watched the entire 08 series where j law beat dungey.... really weird to watch, dungey was crashing his brains out at every round!..... lol.. made it pretty easy for j law..... maybe that loss turned Ryan into the diesel, because he rarely crashed after that series....

At this point... j law is pure legend.... dude could sell a Lot of product.... absolitely amazed he isn't a brand ambassador for someone... whether he ever puts another wheel on the track for not....
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