Stark Varg Reviews

theycallmeebryan wrote:

200 hours over 4 years on my Alta MXR with nearly 500 charging hours in total (mixture of rapid charging 240v 3.3kw at the track with...

200 hours over 4 years on my Alta MXR with nearly 500 charging hours in total (mixture of rapid charging 240v 3.3kw at the track with a generator, and 120v standard at home) and if im being hinestly maybe 5% degredation if any, but im also a much much faster rider today thanks to owning the Alta MXR. The bike still performs just as well as the day i bought it. Ive put this bike through 100+degree socal moto sessions. The Varg battery design cools the cells more evenly and efficiently than the Alta which means itll last even better in the long run. The 21700 cells are also a little more efficient than 18650 cells of the Alta.

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

StevenMX wrote:

As someone who use to do testing on early Lithium Polymer battery technology in the aerospace industry years back, one thing I'd like to know is...

As someone who use to do testing on early Lithium Polymer battery technology in the aerospace industry years back, one thing I'd like to know is the cycle life of these packs and replacement cost? Average cycle life of a pack and replacement costs will be the new top end/engine rebuild. Average cycle life on a lithium polymer battery can vary drastically from 50-500 cycles depending on the environment (heat/cold) and other various factors). Do they have a solution for cold weather people (heat the battery internally) on cold days as Lithium Polymer battery energy output/capacity drops drastically below 50 degrees F. Conversely, we know moto in the summer is hot as hell, and thermal runaway would be my other concern. Not so much the battery catching fire, but keeping lithium polymer batteries at high temps reduces the cycle life again dramatically in testing. Much like a pro racer vs a vet will go through top ends at different intervals. Would love to get some more color on this from Stark and see what they say, how they are addressing these areas and the costs. Very cool design regardless!

JK BRO wrote:

The only guy who gets it..... All of this and more has been documented by thousands of RC hobbyists. Battery degradation and density is a real...

The only guy who gets it.....

All of this and more has been documented by thousands of RC hobbyists. Battery degradation and density is a real thing. RC's have already moved on from Lithium Ion to the more powerful Lithium Polymer. People act like Ebikes are a revolution but they are using old battery technology from 1985.

Zero maintenance.... keep dreaming.

SonofThor32 wrote:

Imagine what that battery would look when it swells (Assuming you are an RC hobbyist), talk about something to make you nervous. I would have to...

Imagine what that battery would look when it swells (Assuming you are an RC hobbyist), talk about something to make you nervous. I would have to think the battery would have all sorts of sensors for be safe (which would also obviously raise the cost). Another member pointed out above the battery/maintenance cost comparison to an ICE 4 stroke, but I don't see these batteries costing $500, I would love to be wrong, but I am betting at least 4x that.

You bring up lots of good points though that anybody who races RC stuff the past 15 years would be raising an eyebrow with this new technology hitting MX bikes. These tests were performed under perfect conditions, what about the cold.. What about the amount of time the battery/motor need to cool before using again, ambient temperatures, etc. The next cool thing coming - aftermarket fans.

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Darrin Willis wrote:

The jt$ money review was useless

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

SonofThor32 wrote:

Hey now, we aren't naysayers, we are just cautiously optimistic ;) I have gone from the nitro to LIPO transition in RC buggy racing, I would...

Hey now, we aren't naysayers, we are just cautiously optimistic

I have gone from the nitro to LIPO transition in RC buggy racing, I would never run nitro again, batteries brought massive life into that hobby (and has grown it). The scale and use for MX is just so much bigger, and knowing the issues with LIPO/LIFE regular use, the cost, (even the dangers), it makes it easy think "this is cool, but I am going to step back and see how this plays out at first". That is all. It is kind of like a Tesla comparison at the moment.. We know there is a lot of them out there, we know there has been issues, fires, control problems, and we know the batteries cost as much as new Honda Civic. Sure they are cool, but there is things to consider.

I would love to have one of these... My carpal tunnel and arthritis would rejoice! There is a chance my hand/wrist endurance would double.

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

Magoofan wrote:

Impressed by the technology. However..... There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible. I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that...

Impressed by the technology. However.....

There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible.
I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that brings excitement. Listening to that thing go around the track. Boring level 11. It takes all the excitement out of being a spectator. This is the death of the 2s/4s bikes...and the death of the sport in my book. Laws are going to banish gas bikes sooner or later anyway.

One last observatoin....it has more power than a 450. Just what we need....more people getting injured. More pros getting injured and out for the season. 450's already have TOO much power.

Flame on. Don't care.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

sandtrack315 wrote:

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and...

No one has noted the most important thing: they nailed the chassis, suspension, handling, and fit and finish of the bike. We all know range and reliability will be a work in progress. What's so awesome is that pretty much everyone who rode the bike said they were faster on it by the end of the day, and that it was really fun to ride, but it did not feel like some alien bike. That's impressive, as the frame is totally different, and this is not some legacy OEM that has decades of experience. It's huge what they have been able to do.

My hope is that you can order the 80HP motor, tune it down to be about a 325cc four stroke power, and I will only use up about half if it doing a 40 minute Moto. Then I can charge it up for about 40 minute from my truck or a portable battery station, do another 40, and head home.

Basically, with their first generation product, it's already a viable option for people to switch. No funky handling or chassis, no cheap looking parts or corners cut. Sure, it will have issues as it gets tested in the real world, and we will all figure out how to charge it easily, but I could easily see buying one in a couple years. That's a huge step forward.

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

patty_281 wrote:

You are insane if you think this bike is the death of gasoline dirtbikes. Tyranical Govs, sure, but you think people would rather go to a...

You are insane if you think this bike is the death of gasoline dirtbikes. Tyranical Govs, sure, but you think people would rather go to a SX/MX/GNCC race with a grid full of electrics over the extra sensory excitement a gas engine provides? People put aftermarket pipes/syraight pipes on everything from Autos to lawnmowers for a reason.

Magoofan wrote:

Impressed by the technology. However..... There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible. I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that...

Impressed by the technology. However.....

There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible.
I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that brings excitement. Listening to that thing go around the track. Boring level 11. It takes all the excitement out of being a spectator. This is the death of the 2s/4s bikes...and the death of the sport in my book. Laws are going to banish gas bikes sooner or later anyway.

One last observatoin....it has more power than a 450. Just what we need....more people getting injured. More pros getting injured and out for the season. 450's already have TOO much power.

Flame on. Don't care.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

At least it's fully adjustable. Can't really adjust he power on a 450 xD

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

patty_281 wrote:

The people pushing for this crap are promoting it as the death of gas bikes as a whole and that we need to cuck

#434 wrote:

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on. I honestly think this is the end...

I fully agree! All the naysayers are talking about the battery size/life because there’s nothing else to pick on.
I honestly think this is the end of ICE MX bikes. I didn’t expect the overall feedback to be so positive.
Where‘s the advantage of an ICE bike other than fast refueling?

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

Magoofan wrote:

Impressed by the technology. However..... There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible. I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that...

Impressed by the technology. However.....

There being no sound....or just the "motor whine". Absolutely horrible.
I'm a lifer for 2-srokes.... at least 4-strokes make sound that brings excitement. Listening to that thing go around the track. Boring level 11. It takes all the excitement out of being a spectator. This is the death of the 2s/4s bikes...and the death of the sport in my book. Laws are going to banish gas bikes sooner or later anyway.

One last observatoin....it has more power than a 450. Just what we need....more people getting injured. More pros getting injured and out for the season. 450's already have TOO much power.

Flame on. Don't care.

Cayden Thompson wrote:

At least it's fully adjustable. Can't really adjust he power on a 450 xD

StevenMX wrote:

If they let you get into the ESC (electronic speed controller) as well, you essentially have infinite tunability to the torque/power curve which was touched on...

If they let you get into the ESC (electronic speed controller) as well, you essentially have infinite tunability to the torque/power curve which was touched on in some of the reviews. Can make it 10hp detuned or crank it open to 80hp. Think Yamaha tuning app but x100. Definitely nice, and as you detune it, your battery life/ride time should only go up even if its not run 100% efficient by the brushless motor standards. Which from the sounds of it, I don't see many people even running it past 60hp lol.

Titan1 wrote:

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of...

How about for offroad? The weekend warriors who head out for a Saturday to play in the desert (do they have to add a cost of a generator to the cost of the bike?)...or the off road racers, who are on their bikes 1-6 hours in a day? Or a guy like me, that will go do a 40-80 mile trail ride in the mountains/desert (not to mention amateur hare and hounds/hare scrambles/enduros I race)...

Lots of issues created by the lack of range...for the moto-only guys, lack of range is a non-issue...but I'd venture that the vast majority of dirt bike owners in the world spend way way less time away from the track, than on it.

With that said...I'm a HUGE fan of E-dirt bikes (I L-O-V-E my sons Husky EE5...except the lack of range), and I'm so glad this one is living up to the hype...so I'm impatiently waiting for the range to come up, so I can get 60-80 miles out of a charge with no reduction in power...I will, without hesitation, buy an emx bike when the range is up to where it needs to be for serious off road use.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

Titan1 wrote:

Right...but it's not like there is different tech for off-road models that will have significantly longer range. Plus, lots of guys ride motocross bikes off road...

Right...but it's not like there is different tech for off-road models that will have significantly longer range. Plus, lots of guys ride motocross bikes off road and in the desert on the weekends, so its still relevant. Anyway, I'm simply pointing out that its not an ICE killer...yet...because relatively very very few riders spend the majority of their time riding exclusively on a track, and with current tech, those guys (the vast majority of riders) will still need ICE bikes.

mxracer666 wrote:

It is marketed as a "motocross" model....

Titan1 wrote:

Right...but it's not like there is different tech for off-road models that will have significantly longer range. Plus, lots of guys ride motocross bikes off road...

Right...but it's not like there is different tech for off-road models that will have significantly longer range. Plus, lots of guys ride motocross bikes off road and in the desert on the weekends, so its still relevant. Anyway, I'm simply pointing out that its not an ICE killer...yet...because relatively very very few riders spend the majority of their time riding exclusively on a track, and with current tech, those guys (the vast majority of riders) will still need ICE bikes.

StevenMX wrote:

The test will be the battery pack swapping out (they say its 3 bolts and 1 min to do... so that's almost gasoline level simplicity if...

The test will be the battery pack swapping out (they say its 3 bolts and 1 min to do... so that's almost gasoline level simplicity if so). Again just pending the pricing and obviously you are not going to carry an extra battery with you on the trail, but if you were doing trail loops where you come back to the start at some interval, swapping is very doable. If you detune or reprogram the power as well, getting longer run times should be easily achievable given the energy efficiency of the motor/power output required on most trail riding (maybe not pros but vast majority).