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No matter what way you look at it youre getting 2nd string supercross racers in world sx. Tomac webb anderson ac and the like arent going...
No matter what way you look at it youre getting 2nd string supercross racers in world sx. Tomac webb anderson ac and the like arent going to leave the real series to race world sx. Its a massive gamble
Hardcore fans care about top tier racers but in markets where there hasn't been SX before or in a long time, fans and families will attend in droves for 2nd string SX racers. One potential benefit could be more competitive AMA SX races albeit with fewer gates after World SX starts. Upside would be less lappers but I would rather see 15 riders on the lead lap than 16th on being two and three laps down like they were at SLC 450 Main
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That is the whole point I'm making, the money they are throwing around or say they are throwing around has a chance to really change some...
That is the whole point I'm making, the money they are throwing around or say they are throwing around has a chance to really change some minds.

Example how it could work:

Honda wants to stick with the SX and Outdoor national model.

Ken Roczen decides he doesn't want to race outdoors anymore.

Mike Genova throws a bunch of money at Kenny and says he can race both SX series and make the same or more money.

This may be a perfect avenue for a team like JGR to get back into racing. I'm sure ML512 can confirm it costs way more to run nationals than the SX season.

It all may not happen but there is a potential for a perfect storm here to change the face of racing in America.
There is also potential for an asteriod four times the size of the Empire State Building crashing into Earth in the coming days but it probably won't happen.

The only points I see being made are far reaching assumptions about changing the face of racing in America. I am a fan so hope the World SX series makes it but have lived long enough not to not jump the gun with assumptions and hyperbole.
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5/26/2022 8:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2022 8:14pm
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Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse...
Yes, SX is gnarly as a mother, but speeds are far greater outdoors and if the injuries aren't worse the toll on the body is worse. Look at Chase Sexton after the WW Ranch national. Dudes have died outdoors.
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did...
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did you say that when the fim had a World Series in the 00’s as well? You guys want to see a bunch of retired dudes and LCQ hero’s race on “supercross” tracks?
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At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
I see what you’re saying. Really this type of opportunity is as big as it gets. A true world sx where teams are actively assisted financially to participate.
Very interested to see how it unfolds in the hope that is can co-exist with the nationals.
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Hardcore fans care about top tier racers but in markets where there hasn't been SX before or in a long time, fans and families will attend...
Hardcore fans care about top tier racers but in markets where there hasn't been SX before or in a long time, fans and families will attend in droves for 2nd string SX racers. One potential benefit could be more competitive AMA SX races albeit with fewer gates after World SX starts. Upside would be less lappers but I would rather see 15 riders on the lead lap than 16th on being two and three laps down like they were at SLC 450 Main
Even Australia hasn’t pulled American size crowds at a supercross , and they are the second biggest dirt bike market in the world

It’s interesting to me that none of the big euro sx races have signed up for this series , and I presume they will still run meaning that the big time guys can still make money in the off season at Paris Geneva etc
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That is the whole point I'm making, the money they are throwing around or say they are throwing around has a chance to really change some...
That is the whole point I'm making, the money they are throwing around or say they are throwing around has a chance to really change some minds.

Example how it could work:

Honda wants to stick with the SX and Outdoor national model.

Ken Roczen decides he doesn't want to race outdoors anymore.

Mike Genova throws a bunch of money at Kenny and says he can race both SX series and make the same or more money.

This may be a perfect avenue for a team like JGR to get back into racing. I'm sure ML512 can confirm it costs way more to run nationals than the SX season.

It all may not happen but there is a potential for a perfect storm here to change the face of racing in America.
There is also potential for an asteriod four times the size of the Empire State Building crashing into Earth in the coming days but it probably...
There is also potential for an asteriod four times the size of the Empire State Building crashing into Earth in the coming days but it probably won't happen.

The only points I see being made are far reaching assumptions about changing the face of racing in America. I am a fan so hope the World SX series makes it but have lived long enough not to not jump the gun with assumptions and hyperbole.
When Doug Henry won in Vegas on a 4 stroke I thought it was a cool story but 2 strokes would always dominate so if I were you I'd be on the lookout for asteroids.
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At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do the World SX series.
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Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did...
Dudes have died on supercross tracks as well. Your whole theory of “changing the face of racing in America” is just very very far out. Did you say that when the fim had a World Series in the 00’s as well? You guys want to see a bunch of retired dudes and LCQ hero’s race on “supercross” tracks?
McG194 wrote:
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
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I see what you’re saying. Really this type of opportunity is as big as it gets. A true world sx where teams are actively assisted financially...
I see what you’re saying. Really this type of opportunity is as big as it gets. A true world sx where teams are actively assisted financially to participate.
Very interested to see how it unfolds in the hope that is can co-exist with the nationals.
Frankly coexisting with the nationals is the part I'm worried about.
I love the nationals and have been making it to a new one every year the past 4 years WW Ranch, Loretta's, Budds Creek and this year I think I'm driving to High Point. That being said it can't be denied that there are guys that choose not to go outdoors. It may not be the absolute top of the field but guys like Brayton, Friese, Chiz, Starling, A-Ray and Clason add a lot of talent to a gate.
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5/26/2022 10:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2022 10:24pm
Everybody acts as if only america can hold supercross.... Theres fucking7.8 billion people on this rock (Earth) floating in space...

america is not the only country that has alot of money...... Other people in other countries have bank and could put together expensive teams probably better than the usa without our American bureaucracy getting in the way.

There could also be top riders down in say Brazil or Argentina who just cant get into the usa's fast 40 in our national sx/mx series... they want to but just cant do it.

However this series could provide a viable option to those kind of racers.
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Watering down our Sx probably wont happen ever. However im 100% onboard to see some other top riders who kick ass racing a world supercross series.

Also the nationals are staying put regardless, the racing is not going to suffer, people will just have more options.

Boil it all down... Which series is going to pay the most and give a rider the best chance to win?? That's where some will go.

I swear reading some of the comments here, basically some of you guys just want america to keep a monopoly on the sport... I want to see it global like F1... have some vision.
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Everybody acts as if only america can hold supercross.... Theres fucking7.8 billion people on this rock (Earth) floating in space... america is not the only country...
Everybody acts as if only america can hold supercross.... Theres fucking7.8 billion people on this rock (Earth) floating in space...

america is not the only country that has alot of money...... Other people in other countries have bank and could put together expensive teams probably better than the usa without our American bureaucracy getting in the way.

There could also be top riders down in say Brazil or Argentina who just cant get into the usa's fast 40 in our national sx/mx series... they want to but just cant do it.

However this series could provide a viable option to those kind of racers.
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Watering down our Sx probably wont happen ever. However im 100% onboard to see some other top riders who kick ass racing a world supercross series.

Also the nationals are staying put regardless, the racing is not going to suffer, people will just have more options.

Boil it all down... Which series is going to pay the most and give a rider the best chance to win?? That's where some will go.

I swear reading some of the comments here, basically some of you guys just want america to keep a monopoly on the sport... I want to see it global like F1... have some vision.
Why would you want moto to be like F1?? You don’t like being able to go up to the pits,get autographs, check out the bikes, talk to privateers? You want tickets to be ridiculously expensive? You pretty much want the whole sport to change and you think the solution is bring together 10-20th place guys and retired dudes to race on arenacross tracks? This is like pro soccer and the MLS in the states, sure you can have it but nobody is going to really give a dam.
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Everybody acts as if only america can hold supercross.... Theres fucking7.8 billion people on this rock (Earth) floating in space... america is not the only country...
Everybody acts as if only america can hold supercross.... Theres fucking7.8 billion people on this rock (Earth) floating in space...

america is not the only country that has alot of money...... Other people in other countries have bank and could put together expensive teams probably better than the usa without our American bureaucracy getting in the way.

There could also be top riders down in say Brazil or Argentina who just cant get into the usa's fast 40 in our national sx/mx series... they want to but just cant do it.

However this series could provide a viable option to those kind of racers.
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Watering down our Sx probably wont happen ever. However im 100% onboard to see some other top riders who kick ass racing a world supercross series.

Also the nationals are staying put regardless, the racing is not going to suffer, people will just have more options.

Boil it all down... Which series is going to pay the most and give a rider the best chance to win?? That's where some will go.

I swear reading some of the comments here, basically some of you guys just want america to keep a monopoly on the sport... I want to see it global like F1... have some vision.
Good post . SX going global is inevitable , I always thought it just a matter of time .
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5/26/2022 11:00pm
Will fizzle out and die.... like the F1 clone... the Golf clone that's being tossed around at the moment. Supercross works, as it is. There's not room for more, our sports are decreasing in interest as the young folks are more addicted to playing on phones than adrenaline sports. As Kim K's ass gets bigger, the interest swings that way! Man Buns for all!!
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At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
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This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do...
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do the World SX series.
If he’s contracted with monster energy Yamaha star racing there’s a whole possibility that the title sponsor of his team would only want him racing the supercross series they are also a title sponsor of. These supercross only contracts aren’t any series as long as it’s sx.
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McG194 wrote:
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
kpiper wrote:
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do...
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do the World SX series.
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If he’s contracted with monster energy Yamaha star racing there’s a whole possibility that the title sponsor of his team would only want him racing the...
If he’s contracted with monster energy Yamaha star racing there’s a whole possibility that the title sponsor of his team would only want him racing the supercross series they are also a title sponsor of. These supercross only contracts aren’t any series as long as it’s sx.
But this World SX series becoming reality will obviously also have an impact on future team sponsor deals.

Not much will change year one or two, maybe even three. But lets see how the whole global moto industry looks at this in three to four years time when everyone has adapted to this series being in the mix.
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McG194 wrote:
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL...
At first I thought the World SX was a joke and didn't pay much attention to it. I thought at best it would be a NFL Europe where a couple scrappy dudes might get discovered. The more I think about how it is setting up and hearing how current riders talk about outdoors it could be a contender. I'm not rooting for it to hurt the nationals, I would prefer the World SX to be a couple notches below but it could be a force. As mentioned above Eli only has a SX contract for next year. If someone offers him a half a million bucks to race World SX how could he refuse?

***I never said it was likely to happen, I'm just connecting dots and spitballing. It has a chance.***
kpiper wrote:
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do...
This is exactly what is going to happen...they will throw a ton of money at Eli and he will skip the Nationals in 2023 and do the World SX series.
Eli has signed an SX only contract for 2023 so he isn't racing the outdoors anyway and is free to go for World SX.
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They should have made it a two stroke only supercross series! I’d watch that !!
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Relax guys. It’s all about growing the sport ha. Careful what you wish for. If world sx pulls top US riders from the nationals I won’t support it with a nickel of my $.
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All fun until someone is hurt really bad and stuck in a random country and can't get home for the medical attention they want and need.
Lmfao there is good healthcare outside of the US, probably better
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The main thing I'm looking forward to is the "night show" format. Only 20 riders per class, no need for heats/lcq races. How will they fill out the program? Warm up races? Superpole? Multiple "mains"?

I don't want to see it hurt the nationals, but seeing a different format will be a nice change of pace.
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Lack of talent available to have great racing everywhere. Like most stick and ball sports the games only get good at the end of playoffs.
Using Brayton as an example i watch sx to see the top few guys race, not lappers. Even if Tomac goes how great will the racing be when he laps up to 2nd. Its all about the actual product.
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5/27/2022 4:45am
BMc914 wrote:
All fun until someone is hurt really bad and stuck in a random country and can't get home for the medical attention they want and need.
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so by that logic the Dakar rally is a complete failure and not fun because people get hurt in countries that doing worse economically? I don't...
so by that logic the Dakar rally is a complete failure and not fun because people get hurt in countries that doing worse economically? I don't think people are going to wake up in a hospital in Bolivia with a broken femur like Toby Price
Didn’t Toby have a worse time when he broke his neck in the USA?
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Personally, not a fan of it. I look at it in the same light as the Four Stroke Nationals etc. Elite riders will always go where...
Personally, not a fan of it. I look at it in the same light as the Four Stroke Nationals etc. Elite riders will always go where the best compete and where the money is.
Four stroke nationals were dope though
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Lets take the worst case scenario, this fails after the initial 5 year deal. It will no matter what challenge the current SX and MX promoters/owners in USA and Europe and they will have to do more for the teams and riders because of this.

WSX is a net positive for the teams and riders wanting to make money, no matter what happens.
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I think eventually the logistics of the series will be it's undoing. Unless it somehow catches on to be the main attraction with every top rider, I just can't see team's being able to justify the expenses/effort to go to all of the rounds. Even if the promoters are kicking up some money, how long can they do that? Just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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Even Australia hasn’t pulled American size crowds at a supercross , and they are the second biggest dirt bike market in the world It’s interesting to...
Even Australia hasn’t pulled American size crowds at a supercross , and they are the second biggest dirt bike market in the world

It’s interesting to me that none of the big euro sx races have signed up for this series , and I presume they will still run meaning that the big time guys can still make money in the off season at Paris Geneva etc
The "big euro SX" organizers looked at what SX global brings to the table, what they ask for in return... and stayed away, at least for now.
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Eli has signed an SX only contract for 2023 so he isn't racing the outdoors anyway and is free to go for World SX.
Why would anyone assume he’s going to world sx? So now anyone racing the actual supercross series only is automatically thought to be going to world sx? Huh? The dude has put in the work, won his titles and made his money. Dudes probably gonna kick back in Cortez and hunt why would he want to go race arenacross?
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alex69 wrote:
Eli has signed an SX only contract for 2023 so he isn't racing the outdoors anyway and is free to go for World SX.
Why would anyone assume he’s going to world sx? So now anyone racing the actual supercross series only is automatically thought to be going to world...
Why would anyone assume he’s going to world sx? So now anyone racing the actual supercross series only is automatically thought to be going to world sx? Huh? The dude has put in the work, won his titles and made his money. Dudes probably gonna kick back in Cortez and hunt why would he want to go race arenacross?
No one is assuming he will go they are just saying there is an avenue open for him to go. As far as why would he go instead of kicking back? Wheelbarrows full of money tend to sway your opinion.
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Zycki11 wrote:
Personally, not a fan of it. I look at it in the same light as the Four Stroke Nationals etc. Elite riders will always go where...
Personally, not a fan of it. I look at it in the same light as the Four Stroke Nationals etc. Elite riders will always go where the best compete and where the money is.
Your last sentence is exactly what will make or break WSX success or failure. It's all about potential money making opportunities or the riders and sponsors.

Someone brought up F1 as an example and there's a reason some of the best drivers strive to be there, money! I'll admit I am a newer fan, but in reading, there are people who admit racing and parity is much better in Indycar racing. But Indy doesn't pull the same notoriety, and I think the pay isn't as much as top level F1 contract too.

Either way, I agree that if this pushes American SX/MX and MXGP to raise their game, I think there's a world that all 3 of these ventures could be successful (whatever that may look like is probably different for all of us.).
5/27/2022 7:23am
Hardcore fans care about top tier racers but in markets where there hasn't been SX before or in a long time, fans and families will attend...
Hardcore fans care about top tier racers but in markets where there hasn't been SX before or in a long time, fans and families will attend in droves for 2nd string SX racers. One potential benefit could be more competitive AMA SX races albeit with fewer gates after World SX starts. Upside would be less lappers but I would rather see 15 riders on the lead lap than 16th on being two and three laps down like they were at SLC 450 Main
Why would there be less riders on the AMA SX , the two series wont overlap.
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No one is assuming he will go they are just saying there is an avenue open for him to go. As far as why would he...
No one is assuming he will go they are just saying there is an avenue open for him to go. As far as why would he go instead of kicking back? Wheelbarrows full of money tend to sway your opinion.
Nobody racing world supercross is bringing in wheel barrows full of money…
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It could put the hurt on outdoor nationals.
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