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My personal belief is that because of the insanity reigning supreme in the world and how its continually getting worse...we are all basically fucked anyway. But what do I do, go sit in a corner and cry about it or just forge on with my life regardless, hoping that things come good eventually?
I figure the Stark people share my own personal attitude..does that make me a nut hugger? 🤔🤔
I was seriously considering buying a 22 ktm 125, but my dealer simply has not been able to get any 2 strokes after his initial meagre allotment, plus I've been reading about crank issues with them, so I went out and bought the yz instead. Yesterday I put my name down for a 23 ktm 300sx, lucky I did because my dealer doesnt expect to be able to get more than 1, thats if he can even get 1..hes just being honest.
The first shipment of 23 ktm's have already been built and crated up...lets see how they go this year getting further batches made and shipped.
From what I can gather German industry is heavily dependent on Russian oil and gas, not sure of the situation with Austria or Spain..but if the situation isnt resolved globally..how are the Austrians going to fare building 2024 model bikes?
The haters are gonna take this opportunity to bag away at Stark...go ahead...you were never going to buy one of these bikes anyway, your hater bullshit means nothing to those of us that have our orders in.
If anyone was dumb enough to pay fully in advance for their Stark....well, they must have been living under a rock and I have no sympathy for the ignorant..
So Im looking forward to riding my new 125 very soon now, looking forward to getting the 300 sx, been given no eta on that so far, but someone on here from Australia said his dealer told him November. And Im still absolutely looking forward to getting the Varg and being able to ride 300% more than I do now, because I will be able to ride it at home.
I will continue to remain hopeful, but I have no expectations. I said in my first posts on this bike that world events would be the main thing standing in the way of the bike shipping to customers..but I'm in! It cost me $100 to get on the pre order list...if the bikes get built and shipped ,I will be amongst the first to get one. If I lose my $100 then I won't be crying about it, the haters are already crying about this announcement...I struggle to understand their mentality..if you don't want one of these bikes, why do you even give a fuck? Its not like those of us with orders in are being ripped off..
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Screwed up world for sure.
I wish I was on their payroll...would sure as fuck beat the shit outta shearing sheep for a living..
I already own an ebike, I love it! and I’d love to own another one. I’m an ebike fan!
Since you aren’t on their payroll, stop taking critiques so personal…why not just let the bike speak for itself? If it’s as good as it’s advertised, it will put a lot of crow down peoples throats and you won’t have to say a thing.
Why are you so concerned about buying the bike and then the company goes out of buisness? It does not seem to have bothered Alta owners much at all...they've been saying they haven't needed anything they cant get...electric motors dont wear out as fast as gas ones do...it will most likely be a battery issue that puts the Alta's out of comission in the end.
Given that my personal opinion is that we are all screwed anyway, Im living like there's no tomorrow and getting as much as I can out of life right now...wait too long...wait for them to prove their " longevity in the marketplace "" and you might well miss the boat!
If I get 5 years out of the Varg, then the battery is fucked...they are out of buisness and no replacement can be sourced, then what? Ive done $17 k over 5 years, so Ive depreciated at a cost of $ 3.4 k or so over 5 years to enjoy an elitist ,niche hobby? Cheap as chips ! I personally know people that spend nearly that much in a month on grog and smokes..
You say I take criticism of Stark personally..I don't, I have no personal, financial or emotional ties to the company.
What I do take personally is rampant stupidity and irrational , emotional based thinking....all of which is fully on display by the haters.
The Varg is a motocross bike...they have stated very openly that the next model down the line will be the offroad version of that..the fact that you can order it now with an 18 inch rear and a sidestand does not make it an offroad bike. Why are you stessing about its range as an offroad bike? Its not an offroad bike..yeah they claim 6 hours at reduced power for trail riding...I dont care..I dont do trail riding...If I wanted an electric bike for offroad, I would wait for their offroad specific model..
Yeah I come across as the "" defender" of Stark...and yes I am quick to defend them from stupid and blatantly incorrect criticism...If they were demanding full payment in advance for the bike, then they would rightly be wide open for justified criticism...but they arent doing that, they have been perfectly open and transparent from the get go...fair is fair...they aren't hurting anyone, aren't ripping anybody off...and yet people who haven't even ordered a bike want to wade into them like they are the biggest arseholes that ever drew breath..and that is truly comical!
So yeah...when they do that, its a bit of a button push for me, like a bloke hitting a girl...I'm gonna wade into that fight.
Gas is the future!!!!!!
Alta being out of business guarantees that at some point it becomes a very expensive conversation piece sitting in the corner of the garage…no thanks! It’s a deal breaker for me. If you don’t care, that’s you. You do you. But until Stark has been around a while, proven they have staying power in the industry, and proven their bikes aren’t junk, I will never own one (big 7 comes out with one? I’m a customer).
I am an off road rider…that’s why I bring that up…I don’t care what you ride. I won’t own a full sized EMX bike until they’ve got the range for serious off road use. I’m talking 60-80 miles of range at an A level pace-I don’t want to sacrifice performance to get there- (like I can get out of my ICE bike with an oversized tank)…
You do come across as the Stark defender…and You really shouldn’t wade into that fight…it’s not a good look on you. Just chill out about it…it comes across like you are trying to justify your purchase (deposit)-and it reeks of desperation- and that those of us that are skeptical or not ready to buy right now, are closed minded morons who don’t know a good thing when it’s right in front of them…and that’s comical because it couldn’t be further from the truth (for most of us that aren't drinking the stark kook-aide at the moment).
I'm not educated enough about it to know what is the truth and what isn't, I'm assuming since you threw this out there that you are so I'm looking forward to some education about it.
Why do you care enough to take that personal? It doesn’t make any sense…
Pit Row
One reason for Falk and Wilbert’s stand is obvious: the lithium mine at Thacker Pass will destroy an entire sagebrush ecosystem. Mind you, what’s planned at Thacker Pass isn’t just an epic-sized mine. There will also be an enormous complex to extract lithium from the mined ore for its conversion into a non-volatile carbonate form to be made into batteries.
Because lithium’s concentration in ore at Thacker Pass runs as low as two-tenths of one percent, producing one ton of the stuff for use by society entails strip mining and processing as much as 500 tons of earth. Over a single year, producing 60,000 tons of lithium at the site could mean digging up as much as 20 to 30 million tons of earth, more than the annual amount of earth dug up to produce all coal output of all but seven or eight U.S. states.
Removing the lithium from the ore is done with the industrial economy’s dissolver of choice, the notoriously corrosive and toxic sulfuric acid. The developer, Canada-based, China-backed Lithium Americas Corp., plans to acidify molten sulfur on site, trucking in the stuff from oil refineries. Hauling the material will require 75 tractor-trailer loads a day, according to Falk and Wilbert — every one of them running on fossil fuels.
Unsurprisingly, the processing equipment is budgeted at a dozen times more than the mine itself, in Lithium Americas’ “pre-feasibility study” (pdf, p. 228 of 266), with the whole enterprise topping out at more than a billion dollars. You don’t spend that much money on apparatus to move, crush, leach and acidify earth without scarring and contaminating large swaths of it.
Image courtesy Protect Thacker Pass
Thus, the “Protect Thacker Pass” banner. There’s a lot to protect. On the encampment’s web site, Falk and Wilbert describe Thacker Pass as “a stunningly biodiverse, wild, expansive, and beautiful desert in the mountains.” In mid-winter, they attest that the land practically vibrates with stars and stillness.
The pair’s real aim at Thacker Pass is to question a Green New Deal that is dependent on large-scale resource extraction and industrial manufacture. Which means questioning not just society’s but the environmental movement’s acquiescence to consumerism and material growth.
Where is it written, they ask, that Americans must own 275 million vehicles? Where is it written that we can’t halve that number, to Western European levels, with denser suburbs and Euro-quality transit along with broad cultural changes substituting place and proximity for pointless travel, thus slashing the “need” to replace all those cars and trucks with electric vehicles built from mined lithium? As for grid storage, rate incentives that harmonize electricity usage with its real-time availability could partially supplant batteries. Smaller homes and less air-conditioning of buildings could also trim power demand, period.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/commander-in-ukraine-wants-quiet-electric-bikes-for-his-sniper-teams
But yeah ,rampant stupidity and emotional thinking has been dictatating how we've been forced to live the past couple of years..especially here in Victoria , the worlds biggest free range prison..and Ive absolutely had a gutfull of it..not entering into any debates over that subject , not appropriate for this forum.
But the vast majority of Hate and vitriol being directed at Stark is coming from people who have zero intention of ever owning an electric bike..and that is blatant stupidity.
I never post in threads that Im not interested in and or know nothing about, unless its to ask a question.
You keep stating over and over that you arent interested till they establish themselves in the market place..why bother?
Why not just let it go until that time instead of constantly chiming in to say you aren't interested until they prove themselves.
You keep saying youd jump in right now if the big 7 produced a bike that met your offroad needs...you might be waiting a while.
I believe that there are some very good reasons that many of the big seven may not produce the bike for many years to come, so there's really nothing here for you..the Stark Varg can be of no interest to you other than to criticize it..
Stark are depending on people like me...however many thousands of us there are now ,to jump in boots and all just on faith and hope.
I will refrain from all criticism of the bike until Ive ridden it...I haven't drank any Stark cool aid...Ive never said the bike is gonna be awesome ....how the hell would I know what its going to be like?
What Ive constantly said is its going to be awesome to get to ride at home..maybe 300% more riding than I do now and Im somewhat expecting it to be very easy to maintain
I want Stark to succeed...any clims that they've made will soon be put to the test by the media...if they were dodgy, they wouldn't let the media anywhefuckn near it until the bikes are shipping and paid for
https://youtu.be/Z05qiPnLpMM
The $100 deposit was a good idea , not too much that you are fucked off they have your money,
Can’t wait to hear the ride reports ,
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