Can we get a top US racer to MXGP?

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Juck 4/24/2022 9:21am
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If motocross was bigger and there was more money in it then we could have a proper world championship, which would be absolutely amazing, however that's just not realistic right now and probably won't ever be. But a man can dream. How cool would this schedule be:

R1: United Kingdom
R2: France
R3: Belgium
R4: Poland
R5: Russia
R6: Japan
R7: China
R8: Thailand
R9: Indonesia
R10: New Zealand
R11: Australia
R12: India
R13: United Arab Emirates
R14: Egypt
R15: Uganda
R16: South Africa
R17: Argentina
R18: Brazil
R19: Mexico
R20: USA
R21: Iceland
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endurox 4/24/2022 1:13pm
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List of Americans who won the world championships

Brad Lackey 500cc
Danny Laporte 250cc
Trampas Parker 125 and 250cc
Donny Schmidt 125 and 250cc
Bobby Moore 125

World non American mx guys who have won championships here in the USA

Decoster Trans Am
Pierre Karsmakers
Bayle
Greg Albertyn
Langston
Reed
Musquin
Ferrandis
Roczen

Lots of talent from around the world.

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motokiwi 4/24/2022 5:57pm
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So you're saying the US rules? Hell yeah
What I'm saying id Americans are so used to having every amenity at hand - that they are too soft to handle the more basic amenities provided in other countries.
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motokiwi wrote:
What I'm saying id Americans are so used to having every amenity at hand - that they are too soft to handle the more basic amenities...
What I'm saying id Americans are so used to having every amenity at hand - that they are too soft to handle the more basic amenities provided in other countries.
I think it’s a matter of money. If they offered any American rider a salary that was more than they make here in the states, I think you’d see more US riders go.

There’s a lot of money to be made here in the states, from a full blown factory ride to privateers. Asking someone to race for free with bonuses is not intriguing to anyone who can make a living off racing SX only in the states.

The top guys here are making multimillions and the privateers are making a healthy living wage while they finish in the back of the pack. Has anybody ever heard of a US rider getting a better offer than what they can make here to race the GP’s? I’m assuming it’s all about money.
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CoccoBill 4/25/2022 2:45am
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Ok, let's call it "Semi-World Championship", or "Almost World Championship".
Even better: since you use the Italian word "quasi" quite a lot, let's call it "Quasi World Championship"!
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Spoonguy 4/25/2022 4:10am
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I think we can all agree Lackey's World Championship was won in an era of pretty stiff competition, full factory involvement, more prestige to the series, crowds of 200,000 fans, and works bikes. That he won his championship on a bike whose manufacturer doesn't even compete in the championship anymore speaks volumes of the current state of the "World Championship". Luongo has ruined and is ruining the series, while manufacturer involvement in Supercross, WSBK, and MotoGP escalates, the manufacturers leave MXGP like rats from a sinking ship. That there is no prize money speaks volumes as well.
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vet40 4/25/2022 10:08am
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Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree Lackey's World Championship was won in an era of pretty stiff competition, full factory involvement, more prestige to the series...
I think we can all agree Lackey's World Championship was won in an era of pretty stiff competition, full factory involvement, more prestige to the series, crowds of 200,000 fans, and works bikes. That he won his championship on a bike whose manufacturer doesn't even compete in the championship anymore speaks volumes of the current state of the "World Championship". Luongo has ruined and is ruining the series, while manufacturer involvement in Supercross, WSBK, and MotoGP escalates, the manufacturers leave MXGP like rats from a sinking ship. That there is no prize money speaks volumes as well.
If Luongo has done such a poor job, then how come MXGP has been the most competitive motocross series for at least a decade ?

Why do the MXON winners come from MXGP?
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Spoonguy wrote:
I think we can all agree Lackey's World Championship was won in an era of pretty stiff competition, full factory involvement, more prestige to the series...
I think we can all agree Lackey's World Championship was won in an era of pretty stiff competition, full factory involvement, more prestige to the series, crowds of 200,000 fans, and works bikes. That he won his championship on a bike whose manufacturer doesn't even compete in the championship anymore speaks volumes of the current state of the "World Championship". Luongo has ruined and is ruining the series, while manufacturer involvement in Supercross, WSBK, and MotoGP escalates, the manufacturers leave MXGP like rats from a sinking ship. That there is no prize money speaks volumes as well.
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If Luongo has done such a poor job, then how come MXGP has been the most competitive motocross series for at least a decade ? Why...
If Luongo has done such a poor job, then how come MXGP has been the most competitive motocross series for at least a decade ?

Why do the MXON winners come from MXGP?
When did the usa get passed for total wins?
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GrapeApe 4/25/2022 11:09am
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One thing that gets overlooked is the diversity of the riders in each series. Correct me if I'm wrong but every single participant in MXGP/MX2 is European, with the exception of Mitch Evans from Australia. AMA competition has riders from Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Australia and Africa. Promoters can call each series whatever they want, but which one is the actual world championship is by no means clear cut. Maybe just enjoy them both and don't get caught up in semantics?
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Juck 4/25/2022 7:15pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
One thing that gets overlooked is the diversity of the riders in each series. Correct me if I'm wrong but every single participant in MXGP/MX2 is...
One thing that gets overlooked is the diversity of the riders in each series. Correct me if I'm wrong but every single participant in MXGP/MX2 is European, with the exception of Mitch Evans from Australia. AMA competition has riders from Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Australia and Africa. Promoters can call each series whatever they want, but which one is the actual world championship is by no means clear cut. Maybe just enjoy them both and don't get caught up in semantics?
Just off the top of my head there's also Beaton (Australian), Vlaanderen (rides for the Netherlands but is South African), Locurcio (Venezuelan) and if you count EMX then there's McLellan who races EMX250 and is South African
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ATKpilot99 4/26/2022 3:16am
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I've always been partial to intergalactic championship
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Gordon Liddy 4/26/2022 8:40am
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If you want to see a top US racer go, then become a top US racer and move yourself over there.
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keinz 4/26/2022 9:41am
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clem 4/27/2022 10:46am
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I think that if the MXGP would consistently race in the US you might see more involvement from US based riders. It's kind of like out of sight, out of mind for most here while growing up in the US. From what I can recall, the MXGP's have only been broadcast in the US for a few years now(someone correct me if I'm wrong, I only have one cable package) minus the US GP's back in the day on ABC's Wild World of Sports.
I just don't understand holding rounds in Thailand over places like the US, Canada and Australia year after year. How many professional motocross racers has Thailand produced? I know that they buy up scooters like chicken nuggets so it may be some pressure from the manufactures but come on man makes no sense.
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Ranman68 4/27/2022 11:46am
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
I've always been partial to intergalactic championship
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Ranman68 4/27/2022 12:24pm
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Only the best of the best in each series would be able to contend for a championship in the other series. Even then, at least a full season would be needed just to adapt and adjust (with the possible exception of a FULLY FIT Herlings, but even he would have to steer clear of supercross all together unless he was willing to dedicate a couple of years or more to it. But...then he has way less time to put into his outdoor skills, thus his chances of winning the ama outdoor title are less. Hmm...). Maybe he's fit, steering clear of all things sx, and breaks a bone after colliding with a photographer in practice. Shit can happen.
Maybe we can get the entire mx community to pitch in and generate the millions needed to get Tomac over there. He's 29, so it's gotta be right now. Also, he's gonna need his suspension guy and a Star Racing crew for the duration. If Tomac REALLY wants that title and he is as good on that Yamaha outdoors as I think he will be, he stands a chance his first season. He stands a much better chance the next season. Of course that's if he never gets injured. Keep in mind, it may not happen at all. Chase Sexton may be a better value and he has plenty of years ahead of him in this sport.
These hypothetical arguments over what's constitutes a world championship gives me a headache, but if we want an American to go over there and get that mxgp title, we better start a massive GoFundMe effort right now. It's gonna take a lot of millions. Do we approach Tomac with the money once we get it or Sexton? Maybe we make Ferrandis a legal U.S. citizen, hand him the money, and hope. Maybe that Deagan boy would be willing to stay over there until he was in his mid twenties.
It's about money, so it can be done.
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Leave Us To 4/27/2022 3:10pm
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Thank you for getting the thread back on track...
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