Serious accusations, Rocky KTM folding?

4/7/2022 12:12pm
hasko158 wrote:
IG is up but they changed the name to Butler Brothers Mx....weird. RMATV pull out?
scott_nz wrote:
From rotomoto twitter according to a spokesperson from Rocky Mountain MC/ATV - the Butler Brothers team had broken a material requirement of their contract and RM...
From rotomoto twitter

according to a spokesperson from Rocky Mountain MC/ATV - the Butler Brothers team had broken a material requirement of their contract and RM has terminated their deal with the team effectively immediately. the team may continue to operate but without the title name or money
ok, so we have a moto journalist that apparently has asked questions, gotten some sort of a "scoop" and reported it? Just like we all ask for them to do so...unlike our overlords here at Vitard that certainly haven't reported any of this....and there's outrage?

I guess I don't get it. I guess I don't follow closely enough as I have no idea who this Cooksey guy is but it seems that he just scooped other reputable sources.
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4/7/2022 12:17pm
seth505 wrote:
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there...
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there are outlets that report to "get clicks". Fuck the latter.
McG194 wrote:
A better question is why you would pass up on learning something just because you can't stand the guy who delivers the news? The fact is...
A better question is why you would pass up on learning something just because you can't stand the guy who delivers the news?

The fact is if this is right, Cooksey broke the story. If he is self-serving, a douchebag or just plain old not bright doesn't matter.

I say it often and it proves truer each day: "A fool will learn nothing from a wise man, but a wise man will learn a lot from a fool."
Fair enough, I just don't care about "learning" of breaking news if it's from a d-bag source. Not saying everything he says is wrong. Even a broken clock is correct 2 times a day...
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Since 2018 we’ve lost Gieco, Factory Yam, Rocky Mtn, Factory Suzuki, RCH, JGR…Yikes
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Pretty sure Eli is on the factory Yamaha team managed by Star Racing.
Are we really going to split hairs here Donnie
How many new teams? Johnny, this is not Nam, this is Moto. There are rules. Smile
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Timo wrote:
Pretty sure Eli is on the factory Yamaha team managed by Star Racing.
Are we really going to split hairs here Donnie
[YM] wrote:
How many new teams? Johnny, this is not Nam, this is Moto. There are rules. Smile
Ok, how many new factory supported teams are there since 2018?

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4/7/2022 1:02pm Edited Date/Time 4/7/2022 1:02pm
Are we really going to split hairs here Donnie
[YM] wrote:
How many new teams? Johnny, this is not Nam, this is Moto. There are rules. Smile
Ok, how many new factory supported teams are there since 2018?
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature for KTM to announce who will inherit their support.
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4/7/2022 1:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/7/2022 1:10pm
[YM] wrote:
How many new teams? Johnny, this is not Nam, this is Moto. There are rules. Smile
Ok, how many new factory supported teams are there since 2018?
GrapeApe wrote:
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature...
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature for KTM to announce who will inherit their support.
All of the teams that absorbed the vacant factory support were already in existence? or am I high? Those aren’t “new” teams…I guess you could call them new if you want, they probably added a semi and a manager or whatever

I wouldn’t say Honda going from 5-6 factory 250F’s to 2 is a good thing.
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4/7/2022 1:29pm
hasko158 wrote:
IG is up but they changed the name to Butler Brothers Mx....weird. RMATV pull out?
scott_nz wrote:
From rotomoto twitter according to a spokesperson from Rocky Mountain MC/ATV - the Butler Brothers team had broken a material requirement of their contract and RM...
From rotomoto twitter

according to a spokesperson from Rocky Mountain MC/ATV - the Butler Brothers team had broken a material requirement of their contract and RM has terminated their deal with the team effectively immediately. the team may continue to operate but without the title name or money
ok, so we have a moto journalist that apparently has asked questions, gotten some sort of a "scoop" and reported it? Just like we all ask...
ok, so we have a moto journalist that apparently has asked questions, gotten some sort of a "scoop" and reported it? Just like we all ask for them to do so...unlike our overlords here at Vitard that certainly haven't reported any of this....and there's outrage?

I guess I don't get it. I guess I don't follow closely enough as I have no idea who this Cooksey guy is but it seems that he just scooped other reputable sources.
His scoop was so riddled with his normal garbage that he missed the actual story that RMATV pulled their funding and Forrest and his investor are keeping the team running.
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seth505 wrote:
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there...
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there are outlets that report to "get clicks". Fuck the latter.
If your frustration is directed towards me for sharing, my intent was not to help that youtube channel with clicks, but actually to find out what was going on
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LungButter wrote:
I would [i]guess[/i] they were looking for way out and that was the reason that they could use. RMATV is a reputable company, can't imagine they've...
I would guess they were looking for way out and that was the reason that they could use.

RMATV is a reputable company, can't imagine they've loved being involved with the drama this team has had the past couple years.
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular?

I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming off 2 of their best years ever in terms of revenue. It seems like they would be able to afford to keep doing it. (Assuming any of these sponsors can really afford to fund expensive race teams.)
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Ok, how many new factory supported teams are there since 2018?
GrapeApe wrote:
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature...
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature for KTM to announce who will inherit their support.
All of the teams that absorbed the vacant factory support were already in existence? or am I high? Those aren’t “new” teams…I guess you could call...
All of the teams that absorbed the vacant factory support were already in existence? or am I high? Those aren’t “new” teams…I guess you could call them new if you want, they probably added a semi and a manager or whatever

I wouldn’t say Honda going from 5-6 factory 250F’s to 2 is a good thing.
Yes but the reason they were absorbed is the factories would see the already running teams as more beneficial and a better option then starting a team from scratch.
The biggest loss of all those is geico. And if Honda did reform a 250 team. Again it wouldn't start from scratch. Most likely it would be formed using Phoenix or a similar team
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4/7/2022 1:53pm
Has Cooksey filed a retraction yet?
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GrapeApe wrote:
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature...
All of those teams you listed were replaced by new factory supported teams. Except BBMX, which hasn't officially folded so it would be a bit premature for KTM to announce who will inherit their support.
I could be mistaken but I don't think they had any "Factory Support" from KTM this year?
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4/7/2022 2:05pm
LungButter wrote:
I could be mistaken but I don't think they had any "Factory Support" from KTM this year?
They don't. They run twisted motors and aeo suspension
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4/7/2022 2:17pm
LungButter wrote:
I could be mistaken but I don't think they had any "Factory Support" from KTM this year?
Jdog2221 wrote:
They don't. They run twisted motors and aeo suspension
Their "factory support" is mostly in the form of a check, with a contract signed through the end of '23.
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4/7/2022 2:36pm
Forrest doesn’t have an investor. It’s just him and his family that are going to run the team for now. The potential investor was an amateur dad but in the end it didn’t work out. I wish Forrest and Karsten luck in getting through the rest of the year. Back to the BBMX days.
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4/7/2022 2:39pm
Well, I’m out in the Dez at a facility where we make sure certain vehicles do what they’re suppose to do…& I was asked to post this…

Hello to all: This is Forrest Butler, owner of Butler Brothers Mx, LLC, in short - the BBMX race team. I refer to the Team as BBMX at this time, as this message is in respects to ALL of the great Sponsors, Riders, Staff, Friends and most importantly to me personally - the Fans.

2022 marks the 19th year since BBMX was truly named and registered as the business, Butler Brothers Mx, LLC. Over these 19 years we have held a number of different Sponsor Title names and without all of them we would not be here today, and without all of our Current Sponsors we wouldn't still be going wide open!

So yes, to ALL that have ever been a part of and to all that still are a part of - Thank You!!

This message is in regards to the absolute FAKE and FALSE allegations made up by Chris Cooksey and his Cooksey Media. In referring to the Team as "BBMX", here are the Facts against what Cooksey says in his self made interview:

- No, BBMX is NOT going out of business / folding / or anything of the sort.
- Yes, BBMX will 100% be in St. Louis (in fact the Semi and some staff are already there).
- Yes, BBMX is fully IN for the remainder of the Monster Energy Supercross Series.
- Yes, BBMX is fully IN for the entire Lucas Oil Pro Motocross National's.

Yes - We have had a change within the BBMX sponsor wise, as we are no longer affiliated with Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. We do have a new Title Sponsor in line, and we will be announcing them in near time. None the less and again as spoken above, BBMX is still 100% in business.

As per our Riders, both Shane McElrath and Max Anstie will be returning this weekend in St. Louis, back from injuries. Joey Savatgy is continuing to heal up nicely from his total ACL repair done following round 3 of the San Diego SX, and is currently expected to make his return by the start of Outdoors.

I can say and speak to all right now: That I have absolutely no idea what or why Chris Cooksey has it out for me. Up until this past May (2021), I had never even heard of his name. And I only became aware of who he was when some sent me a link to a negative, false video he had made of me and BBMX. For a couple of weeks he was relentless, but I quickly came to realize that it wasn't just me he was making these ridiculous video's and claims about. He was doing it to a number of others, from Rider's to Promoter's, it was not something I wished to be associated with.

The worst, and I speak this from that absolute deepest and truest part of my heart, is the insult or slap in the face it is to ALL of my Team's Sponsors, Staff and Rider's. We have the best Sponsors, the best. Our current Riders and Staff had a heck of an off-season, and certainly have experienced the highs and lows of the first 2/3's of this SX season. Post's like this are poison, and I would like to be able to say directly to all I opened to with this message: I will not engage with any negative posts like Cooksie's out of the All Due Respect to every single one of BBMX's amazing Sponsor's, Staff and Rider's. They are the heart and soul of everything to me, and they deserve nothing but THE BEST.

As the owner of BBMX, I have seen the darkest days and the brightest. And just as it seems in life, it always seems to be "darkest before the dawn". Thank you to everyone that gave the time to give this a read, and hope to either see you in St. Louis this weekend or at the very next race you attend. By all mean's, whenever you do make it to your race - stop by and say hi. You know my name, just grab a crew member - I would love to shake your hand for supportin' the sport.

Sincerely,

Forrest Butler
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4/7/2022 2:57pm
RichieW13 wrote:
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular? I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming...
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular?

I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming off 2 of their best years ever in terms of revenue. It seems like they would be able to afford to keep doing it. (Assuming any of these sponsors can really afford to fund expensive race teams.)
I would hope they still want to support a Team, I just can't imagine any company the size of RMATV is super stoked to be involved with a Team that has drama, lawsuits etc. that Butler Bros have.

This is all just speculation on my end though.
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Cooksey is the worst type of 'journalist', the type that wants to insert himself into the story. He desperately wants to BE the story, instead of reporting it.

There is a lot of that in moto generally, but Cooksey is one of the most obnoxious about it.
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RichieW13 wrote:
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular? I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming...
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular?

I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming off 2 of their best years ever in terms of revenue. It seems like they would be able to afford to keep doing it. (Assuming any of these sponsors can really afford to fund expensive race teams.)
LungButter wrote:
I would hope they still want to support a Team, I just can't imagine any company the size of RMATV is super stoked to be involved...
I would hope they still want to support a Team, I just can't imagine any company the size of RMATV is super stoked to be involved with a Team that has drama, lawsuits etc. that Butler Bros have.

This is all just speculation on my end though.
Do you have any idea how many “teams”, including “Factory”, have had law suits?
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TeamGreen wrote:
Well, I’m out in the Dez at a facility where we make sure certain vehicles do what they’re suppose to do…& I was asked to post...
Well, I’m out in the Dez at a facility where we make sure certain vehicles do what they’re suppose to do…& I was asked to post this…

Hello to all: This is Forrest Butler, owner of Butler Brothers Mx, LLC, in short - the BBMX race team. I refer to the Team as BBMX at this time, as this message is in respects to ALL of the great Sponsors, Riders, Staff, Friends and most importantly to me personally - the Fans.

2022 marks the 19th year since BBMX was truly named and registered as the business, Butler Brothers Mx, LLC. Over these 19 years we have held a number of different Sponsor Title names and without all of them we would not be here today, and without all of our Current Sponsors we wouldn't still be going wide open!

So yes, to ALL that have ever been a part of and to all that still are a part of - Thank You!!

This message is in regards to the absolute FAKE and FALSE allegations made up by Chris Cooksey and his Cooksey Media. In referring to the Team as "BBMX", here are the Facts against what Cooksey says in his self made interview:

- No, BBMX is NOT going out of business / folding / or anything of the sort.
- Yes, BBMX will 100% be in St. Louis (in fact the Semi and some staff are already there).
- Yes, BBMX is fully IN for the remainder of the Monster Energy Supercross Series.
- Yes, BBMX is fully IN for the entire Lucas Oil Pro Motocross National's.

Yes - We have had a change within the BBMX sponsor wise, as we are no longer affiliated with Rocky Mountain ATV/MC. We do have a new Title Sponsor in line, and we will be announcing them in near time. None the less and again as spoken above, BBMX is still 100% in business.

As per our Riders, both Shane McElrath and Max Anstie will be returning this weekend in St. Louis, back from injuries. Joey Savatgy is continuing to heal up nicely from his total ACL repair done following round 3 of the San Diego SX, and is currently expected to make his return by the start of Outdoors.

I can say and speak to all right now: That I have absolutely no idea what or why Chris Cooksey has it out for me. Up until this past May (2021), I had never even heard of his name. And I only became aware of who he was when some sent me a link to a negative, false video he had made of me and BBMX. For a couple of weeks he was relentless, but I quickly came to realize that it wasn't just me he was making these ridiculous video's and claims about. He was doing it to a number of others, from Rider's to Promoter's, it was not something I wished to be associated with.

The worst, and I speak this from that absolute deepest and truest part of my heart, is the insult or slap in the face it is to ALL of my Team's Sponsors, Staff and Rider's. We have the best Sponsors, the best. Our current Riders and Staff had a heck of an off-season, and certainly have experienced the highs and lows of the first 2/3's of this SX season. Post's like this are poison, and I would like to be able to say directly to all I opened to with this message: I will not engage with any negative posts like Cooksie's out of the All Due Respect to every single one of BBMX's amazing Sponsor's, Staff and Rider's. They are the heart and soul of everything to me, and they deserve nothing but THE BEST.

As the owner of BBMX, I have seen the darkest days and the brightest. And just as it seems in life, it always seems to be "darkest before the dawn". Thank you to everyone that gave the time to give this a read, and hope to either see you in St. Louis this weekend or at the very next race you attend. By all mean's, whenever you do make it to your race - stop by and say hi. You know my name, just grab a crew member - I would love to shake your hand for supportin' the sport.

Sincerely,

Forrest Butler
Well spoken, may your ventures truly be successful.
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i cant stand cooksey. i dont even know how he is allowed to have press credentials. guy is absolute trash as a reporter remember last summer he had the nerve to text emig and warn him that whoever took the job after langston quit would be labeled a scab?
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dr00andrew wrote:
i cant stand cooksey. i dont even know how he is allowed to have press credentials. guy is absolute trash as a reporter remember last summer...
i cant stand cooksey. i dont even know how he is allowed to have press credentials. guy is absolute trash as a reporter remember last summer he had the nerve to text emig and warn him that whoever took the job after langston quit would be labeled a scab?
He doesn't have any press credentials any more. And he wonders why...
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4/7/2022 3:36pm
Click Bait Cooksey strikes again!
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seth505 wrote:
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there...
A better question, why bother sharing videos from people who are known to be self-serving douchebags? There are outlets that report on real happenings and there are outlets that report to "get clicks". Fuck the latter.
McG194 wrote:
A better question is why you would pass up on learning something just because you can't stand the guy who delivers the news? The fact is...
A better question is why you would pass up on learning something just because you can't stand the guy who delivers the news?

The fact is if this is right, Cooksey broke the story. If he is self-serving, a douchebag or just plain old not bright doesn't matter.

I say it often and it proves truer each day: "A fool will learn nothing from a wise man, but a wise man will learn a lot from a fool."
What does a fool learn from a fool?
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Libel is written.

Slander is spoken.
Press that CC button on Youtube and it becomes libel?
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BBMX? Cool they named the team in honor of their great partnership with their most successful rider, class acts.
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This is why I stick with Matthes. This guy's a loon

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I wonder if Rocky Mountain ships parts to the team via OnTrac and they've have enough..?
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RichieW13 wrote:
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular? I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming...
Do you think they were generally looking to get out of sponsoring a team, or that team in particular?

I have to imagine RMATVMC is coming off 2 of their best years ever in terms of revenue. It seems like they would be able to afford to keep doing it. (Assuming any of these sponsors can really afford to fund expensive race teams.)
LungButter wrote:
I would hope they still want to support a Team, I just can't imagine any company the size of RMATV is super stoked to be involved...
I would hope they still want to support a Team, I just can't imagine any company the size of RMATV is super stoked to be involved with a Team that has drama, lawsuits etc. that Butler Bros have.

This is all just speculation on my end though.
TeamGreen wrote:
Do you have any idea how many “teams”, including “Factory”, have had law suits?
Nope because no one will report on it in fear of being black balled. And no riders will sue in fear of being black balled. Yet people get mad if someone spews some rumors that have some truth to…oh and then a team has to have a member post a response instead of posting it themselves?? Strange ways people work in this industry…
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