6d still a leader?

yz133rider
Profile picture for user yz133rider
Posts
5029
Joined
8/1/2013
Location
Avondale, PA, USA
yz133rider
Edited Date/Time 4/4/2022 6:42pm
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace.

I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend was headed.

But I took one good hit in the airoh and my bell was definitely rung.

Who knows it could have been worse with another helmet or better but it being so light makes me wonder if it had enough guts inside it to do it’s job.

The 6d I ordered is significantly heavier but I’m hoping that translates to safety.

I know 6d is one of the most respected brands with safety, so that’s how I ended up there this time.

Is there any consensus or is this just another what oil do you run topic?
8
1
|
crc245
Profile picture for user crc245
Posts
1340
Joined
10/29/2007
Location
Yorba Linda, CA, USA
crc245 4/1/2022 9:01am
4/1/2022 9:01am
Basically just another what oil do you run topic...However, I think you made a good call with the 6D. The only lids I'd currently purchase are 6D (ATR-2 or 1, whichever fits your noggin best), Bell Moto-10, or Fly Formula. New TLD looks promising as well, but I haven't seen/heard much about them just yet. Also, 6D's refurb program takes some of the sting out of the high-end pricing for a cheapskate like me
13
kopfjaeger
Profile picture for user kopfjaeger
Posts
984
Joined
3/9/2008
Location
Panther City, TX, USA
kopfjaeger 4/1/2022 9:22am
4/1/2022 9:22am
6d and the refurb program is great!
9
sandtrack315
Profile picture for user sandtrack315
Posts
2850
Joined
7/19/2013
Location
Philadelphia, PA, USA
sandtrack315 4/1/2022 9:46am
4/1/2022 9:46am Edited Date/Time 4/1/2022 10:08am
Shoei, Alpinestars M10, Bell 10, Fly Formula, 6D, TLD SE5, they are all good helmets, wear what fits best.
6
1
mx317
Profile picture for user mx317
Posts
5350
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
USA
mx317 4/1/2022 10:59am
4/1/2022 10:59am
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in an Arai one time and after they inspected it, it’s a wall hanger. I only had three rides in the Arai. It did it’s job but man that was $200 a ride lol. I sent them pictures of my 6D and they sent one back with a circle where there may be a problem.


11

The Shop

See All »
sandtrack315
Profile picture for user sandtrack315
Posts
2850
Joined
7/19/2013
Location
Philadelphia, PA, USA
sandtrack315 4/1/2022 11:01am
4/1/2022 11:01am
I will say, you won't get customer service better than at 6D.
17
mxtech1
Profile picture for user mxtech1
Posts
1968
Joined
7/21/2011
Location
Galesburg, IL, USA
mxtech1 4/1/2022 2:07pm
4/1/2022 2:07pm
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and then releases the full data set. It's a shame because we all know each helmet manufacturer is already doing this, but they hold the test results as confidential information and/or only release bits & pieces that favor their product.

I've always thought this is something the AMA should pay to have done every 3 years or so & then release the data to AMA members....but then again they're probably too busy lobbying in DC for kickbacks with our yearly dues.
8
4
skypig
Profile picture for user skypig
Posts
970
Joined
8/1/2009
Location
Caloundra, AU
skypig 4/1/2022 4:15pm
4/1/2022 4:15pm
mx317 wrote:
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in...
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in an Arai one time and after they inspected it, it’s a wall hanger. I only had three rides in the Arai. It did it’s job but man that was $200 a ride lol. I sent them pictures of my 6D and they sent one back with a circle where there may be a problem.


If “$200 a ride” sounds expensive, try “$600 to (Potentially) prevent brain damage/concussion/spinal injury”.

Sound like the bargain of the century!

Smile
4
Leave Us To
Profile picture for user Leave Us To
Posts
1141
Joined
10/21/2015
Location
Rocky River, OH, USA
Leave Us To 4/1/2022 4:22pm
4/1/2022 4:22pm
mxtech1 wrote:
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and...
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and then releases the full data set. It's a shame because we all know each helmet manufacturer is already doing this, but they hold the test results as confidential information and/or only release bits & pieces that favor their product.

I've always thought this is something the AMA should pay to have done every 3 years or so & then release the data to AMA members....but then again they're probably too busy lobbying in DC for kickbacks with our yearly dues.
What happened to Snell? MXA before the double liner helmets had a couple of interviews with the main guy at Snell. I remember him making the point helmets have to be a compromise since they have to handle a wide range of impacts.
mx317
Profile picture for user mx317
Posts
5350
Joined
4/1/2008
Location
USA
mx317 4/1/2022 4:24pm
4/1/2022 4:24pm
skypig wrote:
If “$200 a ride” sounds expensive, try “$600 to (Potentially) prevent brain damage/concussion/spinal injury”.

Sound like the bargain of the century!

Smile
For sure! That's why I said it did it's job. But if I can get the same or better protection with a 6D helmet that can be rebuilt in most cases, that's where I'm going.
3
Cajun Doc
Profile picture for user Cajun Doc
Posts
55
Joined
1/29/2022
Location
Baton Rouge, LA, USA
Cajun Doc 4/1/2022 5:03pm
4/1/2022 5:03pm
mx317 wrote:
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in...
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in an Arai one time and after they inspected it, it’s a wall hanger. I only had three rides in the Arai. It did it’s job but man that was $200 a ride lol. I sent them pictures of my 6D and they sent one back with a circle where there may be a problem.


skypig wrote:
If “$200 a ride” sounds expensive, try “$600 to (Potentially) prevent brain damage/concussion/spinal injury”.

Sound like the bargain of the century!

Smile
I’m not a neurosurgeon, a neurologist or an orthopedist but I will tell you that the price of protective gear pays for itself. Helmet, knee braces, boots will hopefully prevent something catastrophic. Surgery doesn’t mean you’re going to be where you were physically before the incident. And it’s obvious that the brain is not an organ to be fucked with. Ever. $800 seems insignificant to protect that thing.
6
yz133rider
Profile picture for user yz133rider
Posts
5029
Joined
8/1/2013
Location
Avondale, PA, USA
yz133rider 4/1/2022 5:15pm
4/1/2022 5:15pm
mx317 wrote:
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in...
After an over the bars head first get off, my 6D is heading back to them for an inspection and possibly rebuild. I did this in an Arai one time and after they inspected it, it’s a wall hanger. I only had three rides in the Arai. It did it’s job but man that was $200 a ride lol. I sent them pictures of my 6D and they sent one back with a circle where there may be a problem.


skypig wrote:
If “$200 a ride” sounds expensive, try “$600 to (Potentially) prevent brain damage/concussion/spinal injury”.

Sound like the bargain of the century!

Smile
Cajun Doc wrote:
I’m not a neurosurgeon, a neurologist or an orthopedist but I will tell you that the price of protective gear pays for itself. Helmet, knee braces...
I’m not a neurosurgeon, a neurologist or an orthopedist but I will tell you that the price of protective gear pays for itself. Helmet, knee braces, boots will hopefully prevent something catastrophic. Surgery doesn’t mean you’re going to be where you were physically before the incident. And it’s obvious that the brain is not an organ to be fucked with. Ever. $800 seems insignificant to protect that thing.
Just tough to actually know if the $800 is well spent with so little information to go on.

It’s like we have each other to learn from and that’s it.
7
Cajun Doc
Profile picture for user Cajun Doc
Posts
55
Joined
1/29/2022
Location
Baton Rouge, LA, USA
Cajun Doc 4/1/2022 6:14pm
4/1/2022 6:14pm
skypig wrote:
If “$200 a ride” sounds expensive, try “$600 to (Potentially) prevent brain damage/concussion/spinal injury”.

Sound like the bargain of the century!

Smile
Cajun Doc wrote:
I’m not a neurosurgeon, a neurologist or an orthopedist but I will tell you that the price of protective gear pays for itself. Helmet, knee braces...
I’m not a neurosurgeon, a neurologist or an orthopedist but I will tell you that the price of protective gear pays for itself. Helmet, knee braces, boots will hopefully prevent something catastrophic. Surgery doesn’t mean you’re going to be where you were physically before the incident. And it’s obvious that the brain is not an organ to be fucked with. Ever. $800 seems insignificant to protect that thing.
yz133rider wrote:
Just tough to actually know if the $800 is well spent with so little information to go on. It’s like we have each other to learn...
Just tough to actually know if the $800 is well spent with so little information to go on.

It’s like we have each other to learn from and that’s it.
Double blinded randomized trials on peoples head aren’t ethical haha
1
yak651
Profile picture for user yak651
Posts
8835
Joined
8/26/2006
Location
Appleton, WI, USA
Fantasy
1358th
yak651 4/1/2022 6:22pm
4/1/2022 6:22pm
mxtech1 wrote:
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and...
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and then releases the full data set. It's a shame because we all know each helmet manufacturer is already doing this, but they hold the test results as confidential information and/or only release bits & pieces that favor their product.

I've always thought this is something the AMA should pay to have done every 3 years or so & then release the data to AMA members....but then again they're probably too busy lobbying in DC for kickbacks with our yearly dues.
AMA investigate helmet effectiveness?? They are spending our dues fighting helmet laws!
10
731chopper
Profile picture for user 731chopper
Posts
4227
Joined
1/2/2015
Location
DFW, TX, USA
731chopper 4/1/2022 6:22pm
4/1/2022 6:22pm
It is disappointing that us consumers don't have better information in terms of the lab tests these helmets undergo compared to each other. Personally, the new helmets I looked at were the Bell Moto 10, Fly Formula, 6D ATR-2 and Alpinestars M10.

My previous helmet was a Moto 9 FLEX but this time I decided to give the Formula a try. I couldn't get it to feel comfortable on my head so I ended up exchanging it for an Alpinestars M10. The marketing videos makes it seem like they did their homework with the different foams in different areas but, yeah, it is mostly a shot in the dark for us consumers. I got my little man a new ATR-2.

5
yz133rider
Profile picture for user yz133rider
Posts
5029
Joined
8/1/2013
Location
Avondale, PA, USA
yz133rider 4/1/2022 7:09pm
4/1/2022 7:09pm
Cajun Doc wrote:
Double blinded randomized trials on peoples head aren’t ethical haha
Lmao “here try this on” then shove them off a cliff and record results with a clip board.
Langhammx 4/1/2022 8:18pm
4/1/2022 8:18pm
Another Vote for 6D. I have the FXR collaboration models and along with being super good fit for my head shape, they have a good look to them to.

Like mentioned already, try it on and make sure if fits your head hood. I wore Bell Moto 9’s and then the Moto 9 flex for many years, before switching to 6D.
The new Bell Moto 10 is a great helmet too, but the fit is no bueno for my XXL head.
2
ArmPumped
Profile picture for user ArmPumped
Posts
340
Joined
5/29/2021
Location
CA
ArmPumped 4/1/2022 9:26pm
4/1/2022 9:26pm
mxtech1 wrote:
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and...
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and then releases the full data set. It's a shame because we all know each helmet manufacturer is already doing this, but they hold the test results as confidential information and/or only release bits & pieces that favor their product.

I've always thought this is something the AMA should pay to have done every 3 years or so & then release the data to AMA members....but then again they're probably too busy lobbying in DC for kickbacks with our yearly dues.
Leave Us To wrote:
What happened to Snell? MXA before the double liner helmets had a couple of interviews with the main guy at Snell. I remember him making the...
What happened to Snell? MXA before the double liner helmets had a couple of interviews with the main guy at Snell. I remember him making the point helmets have to be a compromise since they have to handle a wide range of impacts.
Snell is kind of a joke. Their whole gimmick is they test a helmet with two equal blows of force in the same spot. The percentage of crashes where a rider will hit the exact same spot twice with equal force is 0. All it does is encourages stiffer shells which is concussion city.
4
tobz
Profile picture for user tobz
Posts
3891
Joined
3/5/2007
Location
Adelaide, AU
tobz 4/2/2022 12:30am
4/2/2022 12:30am
Whatever fits you best. I tried to go 6D or Fly but their shape and sizes didn’t suit me. Shoei and Bell fit me comfortably
2

Pit Row

See All »
NorCalRedRyder 4/2/2022 1:35am
4/2/2022 1:35am
I don't care what helmet you wear, if you hit the ground hard enough you're going out. With that said, I've always loved the way Shoei's fit and looked. They were the only helmets I've ever worn or will continue to ever wear.
1
11
swordfish
Profile picture for user swordfish
Posts
1950
Joined
9/2/2021
Location
Somewhere, AB, CA
swordfish 4/2/2022 4:25am
4/2/2022 4:25am
yz133rider wrote:
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace. I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend...
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace.

I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend was headed.

But I took one good hit in the airoh and my bell was definitely rung.

Who knows it could have been worse with another helmet or better but it being so light makes me wonder if it had enough guts inside it to do it’s job.

The 6d I ordered is significantly heavier but I’m hoping that translates to safety.

I know 6d is one of the most respected brands with safety, so that’s how I ended up there this time.

Is there any consensus or is this just another what oil do you run topic?
Did you not consider an Aviator 2.3 or 3 with AMS2 plus?
sandtrack315
Profile picture for user sandtrack315
Posts
2850
Joined
7/19/2013
Location
Philadelphia, PA, USA
sandtrack315 4/2/2022 4:47am
4/2/2022 4:47am
Any guesses how much a study would cost? I think you need to test at least 4 angles, 8-10 helmets. If you get them at cost, you’re out about 15,000. Probably costs another 5,000 for the lab for the day. 20,000 isn’t much to make an informed decision for thousands of riders. I’ll keep an eye out for NIH grants that would fund this.
5
sebastianer 4/2/2022 4:50am
4/2/2022 4:50am
yz133rider wrote:
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace. I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend...
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace.

I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend was headed.

But I took one good hit in the airoh and my bell was definitely rung.

Who knows it could have been worse with another helmet or better but it being so light makes me wonder if it had enough guts inside it to do it’s job.

The 6d I ordered is significantly heavier but I’m hoping that translates to safety.

I know 6d is one of the most respected brands with safety, so that’s how I ended up there this time.

Is there any consensus or is this just another what oil do you run topic?
swordfish wrote:
Did you not consider an Aviator 2.3 or 3 with AMS2 plus?
I have a aviator 3 with ams and i do not like the helmet it does not feel like the older airoh helmets, the goggle port is to far down so the goggles pushes on my noose and the helmet is very big and heavy.
JoeWV
Profile picture for user JoeWV
Posts
183
Joined
7/5/2019
Location
Hurricane, WV, USA
JoeWV 4/2/2022 6:05am
4/2/2022 6:05am
Are there any safety advantages with the carbon fiber shells? Or is it just for weight savings?
1
swordfish
Profile picture for user swordfish
Posts
1950
Joined
9/2/2021
Location
Somewhere, AB, CA
swordfish 4/2/2022 6:54am
4/2/2022 6:54am
JoeWV wrote:
Are there any safety advantages with the carbon fiber shells? Or is it just for weight savings?
I think that’s all open to debate. Some feel a lighter helmet is safer. Some talk about a smaller shell being safer.
swordfish
Profile picture for user swordfish
Posts
1950
Joined
9/2/2021
Location
Somewhere, AB, CA
swordfish 4/2/2022 6:55am
4/2/2022 6:55am
yz133rider wrote:
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace. I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend...
I ordered a 6d coming from an airoh ace.

I went airoh because it was insanely light and that seemed to be where the safety trend was headed.

But I took one good hit in the airoh and my bell was definitely rung.

Who knows it could have been worse with another helmet or better but it being so light makes me wonder if it had enough guts inside it to do it’s job.

The 6d I ordered is significantly heavier but I’m hoping that translates to safety.

I know 6d is one of the most respected brands with safety, so that’s how I ended up there this time.

Is there any consensus or is this just another what oil do you run topic?
swordfish wrote:
Did you not consider an Aviator 2.3 or 3 with AMS2 plus?
sebastianer wrote:
I have a aviator 3 with ams and i do not like the helmet it does not feel like the older airoh helmets, the goggle port...
I have a aviator 3 with ams and i do not like the helmet it does not feel like the older airoh helmets, the goggle port is to far down so the goggles pushes on my noose and the helmet is very big and heavy.
Yeah it fits a little different. It picked up a half a pound to meet the new ECE standard.
swordfish
Profile picture for user swordfish
Posts
1950
Joined
9/2/2021
Location
Somewhere, AB, CA
swordfish 4/2/2022 6:57am
4/2/2022 6:57am
sandtrack315 wrote:
Any guesses how much a study would cost? I think you need to test at least 4 angles, 8-10 helmets. If you get them at cost...
Any guesses how much a study would cost? I think you need to test at least 4 angles, 8-10 helmets. If you get them at cost, you’re out about 15,000. Probably costs another 5,000 for the lab for the day. 20,000 isn’t much to make an informed decision for thousands of riders. I’ll keep an eye out for NIH grants that would fund this.
I think someone did it not too long ago.
OFalk280
Profile picture for user OFalk280
Posts
324
Joined
6/27/2012
Location
Elwood, IL, USA
OFalk280 4/2/2022 7:05am
4/2/2022 7:05am
mxtech1 wrote:
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and...
We'll never get a straight answer on this until a 3rd party company (not a helmet manufacturer) conducts a full lab test of each model and then releases the full data set. It's a shame because we all know each helmet manufacturer is already doing this, but they hold the test results as confidential information and/or only release bits & pieces that favor their product.

I've always thought this is something the AMA should pay to have done every 3 years or so & then release the data to AMA members....but then again they're probably too busy lobbying in DC for kickbacks with our yearly dues.
Leave Us To wrote:
What happened to Snell? MXA before the double liner helmets had a couple of interviews with the main guy at Snell. I remember him making the...
What happened to Snell? MXA before the double liner helmets had a couple of interviews with the main guy at Snell. I remember him making the point helmets have to be a compromise since they have to handle a wide range of impacts.
ArmPumped wrote:
Snell is kind of a joke. Their whole gimmick is they test a helmet with two equal blows of force in the same spot. The percentage...
Snell is kind of a joke. Their whole gimmick is they test a helmet with two equal blows of force in the same spot. The percentage of crashes where a rider will hit the exact same spot twice with equal force is 0. All it does is encourages stiffer shells which is concussion city.
And even with Snell being a private testing body they still only do pass/fail testing. Not a lot of help in saying “yep this $650 helmet meets snell standards as does this $150 helmet” and then the consumer is stuck going well is the $150 helmet just as good because it passes?? I won’t touch a snell helmet unless it’s a composite shell because snell approved plastic is just not a good situation
1
Juck
Profile picture for user Juck
Posts
2079
Joined
5/23/2019
Location
AU
Fantasy
67th
Juck 4/2/2022 7:37am
4/2/2022 7:37am
JoeWV wrote:
Are there any safety advantages with the carbon fiber shells? Or is it just for weight savings?
swordfish wrote:
I think that’s all open to debate. Some feel a lighter helmet is safer. Some talk about a smaller shell being safer.
What's the argument with the smaller shell being safer?
OFalk280
Profile picture for user OFalk280
Posts
324
Joined
6/27/2012
Location
Elwood, IL, USA
OFalk280 4/2/2022 7:42am
4/2/2022 7:42am
JoeWV wrote:
Are there any safety advantages with the carbon fiber shells? Or is it just for weight savings?
swordfish wrote:
I think that’s all open to debate. Some feel a lighter helmet is safer. Some talk about a smaller shell being safer.
Juck wrote:
What's the argument with the smaller shell being safer?
The logic is smaller surface to grab/catch the ground and induce rotation. Similar concept to Arai’s ultra round shape. The argument against it is larger surface area dissipates the pressure across a larger area, which is what AStars claims is the reading for their SM8/10 being so flat on the sides and back
3
Fouled Plug 4/2/2022 7:50am
4/2/2022 7:50am Edited Date/Time 4/2/2022 7:51am
Can anyone comment about ventilation on the 6D product?

Post a reply to: 6d still a leader?