The Ukraine is in a tight spot

Boomslang wrote:

ADVISORY - War / Violence News is reporting that a Russian strike on the Ukraine can take place in a matter of hours. Putin's forces are camping...

ADVISORY - War / Violence 

News is reporting that a Russian strike on the Ukraine can take place in a matter of hours. Putin's forces are camping on three fronts with engines running.



I really feel sorry for the people of Ukraine.

I can't see Nato and the US armed forces going into the Ukraine, the risk of a full scale war is to great. 

Just like he did in Crimea, Putin is in a good spot to also annexe the Ukraine. When will it stop?

Note to Mods - not sure this topic is permitted on Vital so I'll understand if it gets booted.

swordfish wrote:

Sorry bro, CNN is not news. All the MSM outlets are creating panic and fear over the Ukraine as well as the Biden administration. They are...

Sorry bro, CNN is not news. All the MSM outlets are creating panic and fear over the Ukraine as well as the Biden administration. They are creating hysteria with talk of Kiev falling in 3 days and all the doom and gloom.
Some good advice, stay away from CNN and all the other opinion based news orgs that employ activists, not journalists.

Here is a great article for you to read.

https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/neo-mccarthyism-russia-ukraine-bernie-sa…

early wrote:

https://mobile.twitter.com/UkraineLive2022/status/1497106536828710912

Account of the people walking to the Polish border

swordfish wrote:

My own country, the so called global leader of Democracy did that to its people last week peacefully protesting bud so I can’t say it’s very...

My own country, the so called global leader of Democracy did that to its people last week peacefully protesting bud so I can’t say it’s very shocking.

IanMac138 wrote:

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who...

Protestors illegally blocking major transportation lines is a lot different than peacefully protesting an illegal invasion. Whataboutism's are annoying. And I'm sure every Canadian protestor who got arrested in Canada got a little fine and were out of detention within 12 hours...in Russia these people are going to be put in prison or worse and have all of their assets stripped. Big difference.

Ace Dudemeister wrote:

I think governments bought out by drug companies that force vaccine and mask mandates against the people violating their freedoms is a legitimate reason to protest.

early wrote:

https://mobile.twitter.com/UkraineLive2022/status/1497106536828710912

Account of the people walking to the Polish border

Sunhouse wrote:

Thanks for that. What do you make of the way they force abled men into the military? Personally I think it is every mans duty, and...

Thanks for that.
What do you make of the way they force abled men into the military? Personally I think it is every mans duty, and it would be unthinkable to flee, even with family. But that is easy for us to say from a safe distance… quite interesting, sort of like what we heard from ww2 Stalingrad and Karkiv, no?

Sunhouse wrote:

Thanks for that. What do you make of the way they force abled men into the military? Personally I think it is every mans duty, and...

Thanks for that.
What do you make of the way they force abled men into the military? Personally I think it is every mans duty, and it would be unthinkable to flee, even with family. But that is easy for us to say from a safe distance… quite interesting, sort of like what we heard from ww2 Stalingrad and Karkiv, no?

early wrote:

I can understand it, but can't imagine it. The landscape of Ukraine will be salted for many years to come no matter the outcome of this...

I can understand it, but can't imagine it. The landscape of Ukraine will be salted for many years to come no matter the outcome of this war. Theres no telling what Russia is capable of doing at this point they are WFO on this and it will either end with the destruction of the land or the people or both. At this point even if surrender happens according to Putins terms he will not stop until he has control of the country no matter what the official status is, as long as Putin is around Ukraine will be under his thumb.

I have 2 kids under 4 and the thought of saying goodbye to them and going into battle under these circumstances is so difficult, much harder than the thought of leaving just my wife to fight.

My brother in law's 90 year old grandfather lives near the Romanian border, he talks with him almost daily, he said last night grandpa got drunk and listened to music. Grandpa didn't come to his recent wedding in the US because with all the restriction and stuff he didn't know if he could make it to the US and back. He said he wanted to spend the rest of his time where he lived surrounded by his friends. This was before the invasion. My heart sinks that his remaining time will be amid this.

swordfish wrote:

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1497012034030174208?ref_src=twsrc…

TXDirt wrote:

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too...

Three facts in chronological order, when combined together, are pretty compelling if you are not the type that totes whatever water the news tells you too:

1. The current Ukrainian government is only 8 years old, and took power by overthrowing the previous regime during a violent revolution in 2014.

You may not have heard much about it at the time because it was sparsely covered by the fake news organizations, as the incoming regime was seen as favorable to the swamp.

Prior to even that, Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union for nearly 75 years. Nowhere during any of these did anyone give two poops about the Ukrainian people, their suffering or internal strifes amongst themselves and Russia, or any impact it had on the six inches in front of your face as an American.

2. From 2015-2020, the “Big Guy” Joe Biden received millions from Ukrainian officials via his son Hunter Biden in exchange for political favor in currying favor against Russia.

3. As of today, you can’t look anywhere on social media or TV without being bombarded by news propaganda about Ukraine being invaded and every talking head bending over backwards trying to convince us “Why the Ukraine is so important” as they build a favorable consensus for us to enter into a situation where American lives will be lost to protect Joe Biden’s personal business interests.

Fake news never lets a tragedy go to waste, and with the favorite whipping boy of Covid losing steam and hurting them in the polls, they are seizing upon this event and projecting it as being suddenly super relevant to American interests, when really it shouldn’t be. They’ll redirect focus off the bungling of Covid, everyone already forgot about Afghanistan, and they’ll blame inflation and the souring economy on Russia, Russia, Russia instead of where the blame truly belongs.

early wrote:

[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/25/535402/s1200_FMdIoGTVUAYQm8c.jpg[/img]

westeast wrote:

Good post. Just adding a bit more context: NATO promised Russia not to expand it's (NATO's) boarders and has repeatedly broken that promise. The US spent...

Good post. Just adding a bit more context:

NATO promised Russia not to expand it's (NATO's) boarders and has repeatedly broken that promise.

The US spent billions influencing Ukrainian politics and eventually the US/NATO facilitated the coup in 2014 changing the Ukraine government from a pro-Russian one to a pro-European/West one.

From what I understand, the regions that want to separate from the Ukraine are primarily of Russian ethnicity and speak Russian.

Under the USSR, millions in the Ukraine starved due to their food being stolen from the USSR (communism isn't a very good economic system and tends to produce poverty and famine).

Basically a lot of history and politics going on there. Sad to see war being the result, but things like coups and broken promises can lead to war. No innocent parties at this point as far as I can tell.

5 billion US$ spent meddling in Ukrainian politics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/02/24/fog-of-war-whats-behind-russias…

swordfish wrote:

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1497012034030174208?ref_src=twsrc…

jjavaman wrote:

You’re quoting the guy who runs the rebel news🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Don’t you have a line to hold? A convoy to go to? Maybe go file a lawsuit...

You’re quoting the guy who runs the rebel news🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Don’t you have a line to hold? A convoy to go to? Maybe go file a lawsuit because your feelings got hurt? Did you see the video of the guy getting crushed by the tank and you’re trying to spin it that what happened in Ottawa is comparable to what’s happening in the Ukraine? I do realize that being trampled by a horse is similar to being crushed by a tank when you’re driving your car in your world….

swordfish wrote:

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1497012034030174208?ref_src=twsrc…

jjavaman wrote:

You’re quoting the guy who runs the rebel news🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Don’t you have a line to hold? A convoy to go to? Maybe go file a lawsuit...

You’re quoting the guy who runs the rebel news🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Don’t you have a line to hold? A convoy to go to? Maybe go file a lawsuit because your feelings got hurt? Did you see the video of the guy getting crushed by the tank and you’re trying to spin it that what happened in Ottawa is comparable to what’s happening in the Ukraine? I do realize that being trampled by a horse is similar to being crushed by a tank when you’re driving your car in your world….

westeast wrote:

Good post. Just adding a bit more context: NATO promised Russia not to expand it's (NATO's) boarders and has repeatedly broken that promise. The US spent...

Good post. Just adding a bit more context:

NATO promised Russia not to expand it's (NATO's) boarders and has repeatedly broken that promise.

The US spent billions influencing Ukrainian politics and eventually the US/NATO facilitated the coup in 2014 changing the Ukraine government from a pro-Russian one to a pro-European/West one.

From what I understand, the regions that want to separate from the Ukraine are primarily of Russian ethnicity and speak Russian.

Under the USSR, millions in the Ukraine starved due to their food being stolen from the USSR (communism isn't a very good economic system and tends to produce poverty and famine).

Basically a lot of history and politics going on there. Sad to see war being the result, but things like coups and broken promises can lead to war. No innocent parties at this point as far as I can tell.

5 billion US$ spent meddling in Ukrainian politics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/02/24/fog-of-war-whats-behind-russias…

early wrote:

Doesn't seem to be alot of pro-russian sentiment among the Ukrainian people now. What happened between 2014 and now to turn the tides? Assuming the pre...

Doesn't seem to be alot of pro-russian sentiment among the Ukrainian people now. What happened between 2014 and now to turn the tides? Assuming the pre 2014 pro russian government was democratically elected...

This narrative has a real "we'll be welcomed as liberators" vibe

Ted722 wrote:

"democratically elected" ... Fixed it for you.

zookrider62! wrote:

Imagine that, a topic that started out as informative was ruined by the same 10 people that ruin every non-moto topic

patriotpw22 wrote:

Excellent info and news here

https://www.infowars.com/

zookrider62! wrote:

Imagine that, a topic that started out as informative was ruined by the same 10 people that ruin every non-moto topic

G-man wrote:

Yep and some new ones too that came out of the woodwork. :angry: Like a few others, my concern is for Kongols his Country and appreciate...

Yep and some new ones too that came out of the woodwork.

Like a few others, my concern is for Kongols his Country and appreciate his updates.

zookrider62! wrote:

Imagine that, a topic that started out as informative was ruined by the same 10 people that ruin every non-moto topic

G-man wrote:

Yep and some new ones too that came out of the woodwork. :angry: Like a few others, my concern is for Kongols his Country and appreciate...

Yep and some new ones too that came out of the woodwork.

Like a few others, my concern is for Kongols his Country and appreciate his updates.

thewrizzle wrote:

Is Latvia part of NATO?

swordfish wrote:

Low flier leaving the capital. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/25/535377/s1200_AC8B3483_D8DB_4427_AD6D_C5B57F3F4D01.jpg[/img]

Low flier leaving the capital.

Tim507 wrote:

https://theusmilitarynews.com/restored-republic-via-a-gcr-update-as-of-…

TeamGreen wrote:

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner…. In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he...

In ‘14…Obama held the door open for Vlad while he took Crimea AND shot down an airliner….

In ‘22…Joe’s holding the door for Vlad as he TAKES the Ukraine. Wholesale INVASION of the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

The Messaging from Weak Liberals seems to lead to Vlad taking what he wants. Meanwhile, and this is obvious from historical review…none of this went down on The Orange Guy’s Watch.

BMSOBx2 wrote:

All the orange guy did was try to break up NATO and piss off our allies in Europe giving Vlad the opportunity he needed.

swordfish wrote:

It would be really enlightening if you could explain how Orangeman gave Russia this opportunity. I don’t know anything about this. I’d be grateful if you...

It would be really enlightening if you could explain how Orangeman gave Russia this opportunity. I don’t know anything about this. I’d be grateful if you could point me to a good reference.