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McG194 2/6/2022 10:52am
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I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
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kpiper 2/6/2022 10:59am
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Vince was wrong for pushing it so hard BUT if the roles were reversed people would not be bashing Craig for doing the same thing.

People just love to hate Vince. How is this different from what Anderson just did to Roczen? What Barcia did to Anderson? Nothing.

Vince was going for it and they hit. Pretty much that is the accurate story. And yes, sometimes RC can be wrong in his opinion.
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1 Not a chance at 30mph towards the outside already.
2 Just an aggressive move No?
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
If he was on the inside he wouldn’t have got torpedoed but there was no safe way for him to get there
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
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If he was on the inside he wouldn’t have got torpedoed but there was no safe way for him to get there
Vince was holding it on so long I doubt he could have made the inside work.

Just like when Anderson drifted wide on Roczen and took his line. Same, same.
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100% Craig's fault. He got on the track knowing full well what Friese is like.

If you don't want your career possibly ended, do the right thing: stay off the track and let Vince win.
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I’m pretty tiered of hearing about CC period. Can we talk about Jett’s brother?
I think he’s from Australia
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Maybe this will help, where’s Vince line before he’s move? Could let off and dive inside, but noooooo this is classic hardcore Friese right?






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I said the same thing in a group text with buddies. CC has got to be a little more patient there. Vince at the beginning of a race is like Beavis on a Red Bull he is just full freakout. Just follow him and wait until you have a ton of space then blow around him. It's still on Vince but a little of that is Craig knowing who he is racing.
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
The only thing you’re missing is that it would have been impossible for Craig to have gotten to the inside berm without cutting off Friese’s front wheel and taking them both out on his own. Then I’d be screaming at Craig for pulling a Friese move. There was literally nothing Craig could have done other than not ever attempt to pass Friese, to be 100% safe. Because on any pass with Friese the potential exists for him to Friese.
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Kasims wrote:
Maybe this will help, where’s Vince line before he’s move? Could let off and dive inside, but noooooo this is classic hardcore Friese right? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/06/532370/s1200_5B4B1887_B029_4E8B_B1BB_2E8A7B07C496.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/06/532373/s1200_A5E030AA_A888_4C81_B0F7_EA46F4236088.jpg[/img]...
Maybe this will help, where’s Vince line before he’s move? Could let off and dive inside, but noooooo this is classic hardcore Friese right?






Can’t even claim that it was an attempted block pass. Craig was half a bike length ahead before Friese blew him up.
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So.... it's OK for a random 5th place guy to randomly take out the red plate on the first lap, half way through the season? That's...
So.... it's OK for a random 5th place guy to randomly take out the red plate on the first lap, half way through the season? That's the kind of racing you are good with?

Stop making excuses for freeze... dude has shit between his ears and has for decades.... should have been banned a decade ago.... basically you've got an escaped mental patient running around the track looking to create as much chaos as possible...

And feld condones it.... what if Craig had been forced into a solid object and lost his ability to walk? Just how fun would that be to watch?

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Where did I say in my post that it was ok? I'll wait.................. I never did, the fact and it is indisputable is that if Craig...
Where did I say in my post that it was ok?

I'll wait..................

I never did, the fact and it is indisputable is that if Craig took the inside line Vinny would not have been able to take him out. He took the outside and left room for Vinny to get to him and he did with the results we all saw.

The only point of this post is that with some dudes you have to alter your riding style a bit. Craig didn't take into consideration Vince's propensity for recklessness, and he ended up booted to the parking lot.
Craig couldn’t go inside because they were side by side in the rhythm. He was ahead by the time they entered the corner and had it been a bowl turn maybe Craig checks up. But you can’t really check up going into sand.

Friese is just a dirty rider.
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Kasims wrote:
Maybe this will help, where’s Vince line before he’s move? Could let off and dive inside, but noooooo this is classic hardcore Friese right? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/06/532370/s1200_5B4B1887_B029_4E8B_B1BB_2E8A7B07C496.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/06/532373/s1200_A5E030AA_A888_4C81_B0F7_EA46F4236088.jpg[/img]...
Maybe this will help, where’s Vince line before he’s move? Could let off and dive inside, but noooooo this is classic hardcore Friese right?






Such a perfect sequence. It shows him ride right over the entrance to the inside berm. He wouldn’t have to let off to hit the inside berm. All he had to do was continue to take it. His only spot to actually make a pass was the inside berm yet he chose to change trajectory last second.
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McG194 2/6/2022 11:29am
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
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The only thing you’re missing is that it would have been impossible for Craig to have gotten to the inside berm without cutting off Friese’s front...
The only thing you’re missing is that it would have been impossible for Craig to have gotten to the inside berm without cutting off Friese’s front wheel and taking them both out on his own. Then I’d be screaming at Craig for pulling a Friese move. There was literally nothing Craig could have done other than not ever attempt to pass Friese, to be 100% safe. Because on any pass with Friese the potential exists for him to Friese.
Craig has to be thinking at the start of that rhythm section "I don't want to be on the outside in the sand" and tailor the whole lane to be on the inside.
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RaceFace58 2/6/2022 11:33am
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
RG1 wrote:
If he was on the inside he wouldn’t have got torpedoed but there was no safe way for him to get there
kpiper wrote:
Vince was holding it on so long I doubt he could have made the inside work. Just like when Anderson drifted wide on Roczen and took...
Vince was holding it on so long I doubt he could have made the inside work.

Just like when Anderson drifted wide on Roczen and took his line. Same, same.
Not even close to the same. This case was two berms both built by the track builders. An inside berm and an outside berm. The Anderson case was a sand section that developed into two lines. If Friese had taken the inside berm there was no way for him to “drift” into Craig’s outside berm. He might endo over it into Craig but he wasn’t going to drift through that 30 inch sand berm.
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RaceFace58 2/6/2022 11:39am
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McG194 wrote:
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below. 1) If Craig was...
I just for the life of me can't see why so many people disagree. Please someone dispute any of the points below.

1) If Craig was on the inside he would not have got torpedoed.
2) Friese was 100% in the wrong for torpedoing Craig.
3) Sometimes you have to protect yourself from a knucklehead move.

You can not like what happened, you can not like Friese, but those facts are indisputable.
RaceFace58 wrote:
The only thing you’re missing is that it would have been impossible for Craig to have gotten to the inside berm without cutting off Friese’s front...
The only thing you’re missing is that it would have been impossible for Craig to have gotten to the inside berm without cutting off Friese’s front wheel and taking them both out on his own. Then I’d be screaming at Craig for pulling a Friese move. There was literally nothing Craig could have done other than not ever attempt to pass Friese, to be 100% safe. Because on any pass with Friese the potential exists for him to Friese.
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Craig has to be thinking at the start of that rhythm section "I don't want to be on the outside in the sand" and tailor the...
Craig has to be thinking at the start of that rhythm section "I don't want to be on the outside in the sand" and tailor the whole lane to be on the inside.
He should’ve been safe in the outside berm. People keep saying this like there was some way of traveling through the inside berm once in it. This was the only case of two riders entering that one berm together. Craig should’ve also been thinking, “I better not race tonight, Friese is out there”. Even the UFC has rules that you can be penalized for. Why is it that other racers have to worry about his a guy rides? If he was kicking at people he’d be DQd. Exactly what is the major difference between kicking at a guy in a corner and ramming him at 40mph?
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ANDY. C 2/6/2022 11:51am
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i thought that's how ama supercross worked...
Pass someone, and while your passing put 'em through the tough blocks as well.
Then their not going to pass you back.
Job done.
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I liken this to a quote from I believe maybe Micheal Waltrip after being asked who was at fault in a crash with he and Robby Gordon in a nascar race and he said something to the effect of “it’s at least 50% my fault for being on the track with his dumbass”.
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RaceFace58 2/6/2022 12:08pm
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kpiper wrote:
Vince was wrong for pushing it so hard BUT if the roles were reversed people would not be bashing Craig for doing the same thing. People...
Vince was wrong for pushing it so hard BUT if the roles were reversed people would not be bashing Craig for doing the same thing.

People just love to hate Vince. How is this different from what Anderson just did to Roczen? What Barcia did to Anderson? Nothing.

Vince was going for it and they hit. Pretty much that is the accurate story. And yes, sometimes RC can be wrong in his opinion.
First there are all kinds of differences between all 3 moves on that list. Second I’d be just as pissed at Craig except there’d be no reason for him to pull that with Friese so it would never happen. Friese cost himself with that move as would Craig if the roles were reversed. There was no way Friese was going to stay up so the question really is what is he doing??? He might have gotten his second podium in his career if he just fell in behind Craig and tried to stay 2nd or 3rd. Every weekend this guy thinks he’s going to somehow hold off guys that finish 15 seconds ahead of him normally. That part is hard to understand as an observer. Harder to understand is anyone defending it.
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vdrsnk04 2/6/2022 12:09pm
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I agree with this thread. Craig needs to race smarter. He is that much faster then anyone else, he needs to have patience and just wait...
I agree with this thread.

Craig needs to race smarter. He is that much faster then anyone else, he needs to have patience and just wait for Friese to make a mistake or pick a much clearer spot to pass. Again, it’s CC’s title to lose, we will see if he keeps making decisions like he did last night.
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Between San Diego and the second main last night Craig must’ve passed about 35 guys and he didn’t have any trouble with anyone other than Friese...
Between San Diego and the second main last night Craig must’ve passed about 35 guys and he didn’t have any trouble with anyone other than Friese. But he’s the guy who needs to race smarter?! Huh
35 guys…not the tops 3-4 guys. Big difference bud.
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crusher773 wrote:
I said the same thing in a group text with buddies. CC has got to be a little more patient there. Vince at the beginning of...
I said the same thing in a group text with buddies. CC has got to be a little more patient there. Vince at the beginning of a race is like Beavis on a Red Bull he is just full freakout. Just follow him and wait until you have a ton of space then blow around him. It's still on Vince but a little of that is Craig knowing who he is racing.
Or Craig’s thought was “I need to get by this donkey quick”. It’s hard to tell from camera views but it sure looked like Vince was cross jumping and not holding his line a helluva lot last night which made craig maybe think that was a good spot not in a rhythm lane.
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crusher773 wrote:
I said the same thing in a group text with buddies. CC has got to be a little more patient there. Vince at the beginning of...
I said the same thing in a group text with buddies. CC has got to be a little more patient there. Vince at the beginning of a race is like Beavis on a Red Bull he is just full freakout. Just follow him and wait until you have a ton of space then blow around him. It's still on Vince but a little of that is Craig knowing who he is racing.
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Or Craig’s thought was “I need to get by this donkey quick”. It’s hard to tell from camera views but it sure looked like Vince was...
Or Craig’s thought was “I need to get by this donkey quick”. It’s hard to tell from camera views but it sure looked like Vince was cross jumping and not holding his line a helluva lot last night which made craig maybe think that was a good spot not in a rhythm lane.
Exactly! In normal racing is it bettter to pass and get away from a suicide bomber like Friese early or wait? Don’t forget, as you stay patient and wait it out you’re real competition is catching up to you. Is it harder to pass Friese when it’s just the two of you or when you also have the 96 trying to pass you at the same time? I’d want to get past and away from Friese as quickly as possible. With the away being most important. No one should have to be that worried about a racer riding dangerously like that, let alone at the professional level.
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T-Fish wrote:
I don't think Vince did it intentionally.
I'm not sure that Vince does anything intentionally.
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Interest take from a Vitard. It was the guys fault who got taken out smh. Hall of fame of bad takes right there.
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ACBailey89 wrote:
Interest take from a Vitard. It was the guys fault who got taken out smh. Hall of fame of bad takes right there.
Learn reading comprehension, it will make your life easier.
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Couple rules in life: Never eat Taco Bell if you’re wearing white pants and never pass Vince on the outside
Haha , freakin' perfect! Laughing
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JMR1976 wrote:
I’m pretty tiered of hearing about CC period. Can we talk about Jett’s brother?
That's the funniest thing I've read here in awhile...

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Whatever you think of Vince, Bam, and JA, it sure makes for some interesting racing. Would I want to pass any of them? Not a chance. But watching on my TV a thousand miles away, it sure is entertaining
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Good thing Vince isn't racing Hannah he would have 2 broken legs next week
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Anderson's been riding dirty for the last 6 months. He rode clean last night. Good!
Friese needs a little time off (Suspension), hopefully from his own team.
Either that, or everyone in the 250's should sacrifice a main, and simply take turns punting him until he gets the message. (I don't actually believe this would happen).
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