First Look KTM Factory Editions, all-new 450 SX-F and 250 SX-F

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XC706 12/8/2021 6:24pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Are the Factory Edition models typically only available in the US?
I think we have had them every year except one here in Canada.
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Meister 12/8/2021 6:25pm
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Man.. they did this to me in 16.. looks amazing to me.. but I learned my lesson.. till they put better suspension on it, I'll stay with my WE.. not buying a FE n dropping the coin on Cv's..
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zlowery wrote:
I dont follow ktm generation changes like i do the jap bikes… but does this new generation mean that the 2 strokes will receive the updated...
I dont follow ktm generation changes like i do the jap bikes… but does this new generation mean that the 2 strokes will receive the updated frame and body for 23?

And what about the other color KTMs? Will gasgas and husky follow?
Yes.
Husky yes. GG no on the new platform.
OnTheCrossbar 12/8/2021 6:30pm
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Anyone else notice the hand adjustable low & high compression on the shock? Awesome.
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sandman768 wrote:
No Akro slip on? For this $ I want a pipe!
ThePizzaCobra wrote:
Thought the same but I’m sure it has something to do with supply chain issues. It’s been tough getting any sort of aftermarket pipes this last...
Thought the same but I’m sure it has something to do with supply chain issues. It’s been tough getting any sort of aftermarket pipes this last 12 months
The FE's that introduce a new generation bike never feature aftermarket exhausts. They only throw those on the subsequent FE models that are unchanged.
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XC706 12/8/2021 6:33pm
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sandman768 wrote:
No Akro slip on? For this $ I want a pipe!
Akro will likely be on next years FE, the bike probably will seeing minor updates next year. KTM has done this in the past with all new FE's.
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-MAVERICK- 12/8/2021 6:34pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Are the Factory Edition models typically only available in the US?
whitechapel44 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/08/521820/s1200_factoty.jpg[/img] They are available in Canada but I think its pretty low quantity's. Managed to snag my 2021.5 in Edmonton. Best bike I've ever owned!


They are available in Canada but I think its pretty low quantity's. Managed to snag my 2021.5 in Edmonton. Best bike I've ever owned!
That's what I thought. That said, the press release for the new bikes mentions that they'll only be available in the US.

That's why I asked.
Dirtydeeds 12/8/2021 6:36pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Rockstar 300 Enduro [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/08/521821/s1200_Screenshot_20211208_182036_Instagram.jpg[/img]bike also came with stock pipe and FMF sticker
Rockstar 300 Enduro bike also came with stock pipe and FMF sticker


Those are some expensive stickers
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Langhammx wrote:
This will be the best KTM to date and you’re going to buy a Kawasaki because they came out with an SR model ? Unsure
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100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer...
100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer going faster on the Kawasaki. It’s a “factory edition” again. Does the Factory run the same shock and fork?
Langhammx wrote:
I don’t have it in me to debate your opinion on the forks, but I wish you luck
No need to ever debate. All this shit is personal preference. Bought my cone valves from Powerband set up for my ability and weight. I’m 56 and 6’ and 194lb. They are great just not as good as my sons stock 2019 forks for me.
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SCC wrote:
100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer...
100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer going faster on the Kawasaki. It’s a “factory edition” again. Does the Factory run the same shock and fork?
Langhammx wrote:
I don’t have it in me to debate your opinion on the forks, but I wish you luck
SCC wrote:
No need to ever debate. All this shit is personal preference. Bought my cone valves from Powerband set up for my ability and weight. I’m 56...
No need to ever debate. All this shit is personal preference. Bought my cone valves from Powerband set up for my ability and weight. I’m 56 and 6’ and 194lb. They are great just not as good as my sons stock 2019 forks for me.
Hard to take any of your comments serious after reading this one.
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colintrax 12/8/2021 7:16pm
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Wonder if this thing is going to come in under the AMA weight limit?
Factory quick shifter is awesome
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Are the Factory Edition models typically only available in the US?
they have come down here to NZ, in limited numbers over the years,
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cbaird254 12/8/2021 7:29pm
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Really really curious how much this thing weighs! Damn, I've never wanted a KTM more than I do now. This thing looks so sweet! Love the innovation. Time for the Japanese brands to step up.
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glynn.humphreys 12/8/2021 7:31pm
12/8/2021 7:31pm
Did they go with the old design motor on the 450? I thought the bottom end was going to be based on the 250/350 design? Some photo's of web on the other thread show that motor in his bike.
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Brent 12/8/2021 7:35pm
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SCC wrote:
100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer...
100%. I have cone valves on my KTM FE and the stock 2019-2020 KX forks are better. I get to ride both every weekend. Far safer going faster on the Kawasaki. It’s a “factory edition” again. Does the Factory run the same shock and fork?
I get it, dealing with WP pro stuff to get it working for you is a pain in the ass as compared to Kayaba - BUT _ when you do get the shock and the fork working together, it is superior to most any stock or mod suspension available.

Most of the time you actually have to go stiffer on the shock to make the fork work better.

KTM's usually wants to "Chopper" out in the front because of the shock angle, and slack recommended sag settings (apparently they fixed this for the 2023 model).

but if the WP Pro fork is at the correct rake it makes a pretty big difference on how they work, it is shit no one from KTM tells you.

a 2MM longer dog bone link works well also I have found.

Try 94 to 98 MM sag on your shock and turn in the HS comp more to get the bike more level.



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whitechapel44 12/8/2021 7:36pm
12/8/2021 7:36pm
colintrax wrote:
Wonder if this thing is going to come in under the AMA weight limit?
Factory quick shifter is awesome
It acually gained weight for this model, 226lbs without fuel for the 450
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colintrax 12/8/2021 7:43pm
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whitechapel44 wrote:
It acually gained weight for this model, 226lbs without fuel for the 450
Where was the weight gained? Seems it ought to be lighter, save for maybe the new computer stuff and fuel level sensor. But that shouldn't weight much at all.
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colintrax wrote:
Wonder if this thing is going to come in under the AMA weight limit?
Factory quick shifter is awesome
whitechapel44 wrote:
It acually gained weight for this model, 226lbs without fuel for the 450
Ya something is not adding up here, spec sheets say 250 gained 5 lbs. and 450 3 lbs. yet they claim to have reduced weight on almost every new part on the bike ??
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Broseph 12/8/2021 7:58pm
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colintrax wrote:
Wonder if this thing is going to come in under the AMA weight limit?
Factory quick shifter is awesome
whitechapel44 wrote:
It acually gained weight for this model, 226lbs without fuel for the 450
XC706 wrote:
Ya something is not adding up here, spec sheets say 250 gained 5 lbs. and 450 3 lbs. yet they claim to have reduced weight on...
Ya something is not adding up here, spec sheets say 250 gained 5 lbs. and 450 3 lbs. yet they claim to have reduced weight on almost every new part on the bike ??
Skid plate, front rotor guard, plastic subframe, radiator shrouds and fancy seat all might be adding some ounces. Edit: Does the factory edition also have beefier wheels and spokes?

Does seem odd though to see an increase in weight.
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OnTheCrossbar wrote:
Anyone else notice the hand adjustable low & high compression on the shock? Awesome.
Noticed and major thumbs up.

I might be out of luck with rolling parts over.
New footpeg mount ? ( maybe )
New handlebar mount ( unsure if mako360 will carry over )
New clutch cover, hard to know on this one.

Still be worth hanging onto my 21 waiting for the 23 I reckon.
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Broseph 12/8/2021 8:20pm
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Mm471 wrote:
Holy engineering buzzwords in this release
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Marketing buzzwords. The engineers are shaking their heads at the various mistakes they made in the release. Laughing

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whitechapel44 wrote:
It acually gained weight for this model, 226lbs without fuel for the 450
XC706 wrote:
Ya something is not adding up here, spec sheets say 250 gained 5 lbs. and 450 3 lbs. yet they claim to have reduced weight on...
Ya something is not adding up here, spec sheets say 250 gained 5 lbs. and 450 3 lbs. yet they claim to have reduced weight on almost every new part on the bike ??
Broseph wrote:
Skid plate, front rotor guard, plastic subframe, radiator shrouds and fancy seat all might be adding some ounces. Edit: Does the factory edition also have beefier...
Skid plate, front rotor guard, plastic subframe, radiator shrouds and fancy seat all might be adding some ounces. Edit: Does the factory edition also have beefier wheels and spokes?

Does seem odd though to see an increase in weight.
They are claiming new subframe is lighter.
I have the Factory wheelset and they are a few grams lighter than stock wheels.
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Zeke27G 12/8/2021 9:02pm
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Every aftermarket seat cover company rubbing their hands together…
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theycallmeebryan 12/8/2021 10:25pm
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What are the prices for these? Are we looking at 16k+ otd for the 450 after markups?
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Are the Factory Edition models typically only available in the US?
whitechapel44 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/08/521820/s1200_factoty.jpg[/img] They are available in Canada but I think its pretty low quantity's. Managed to snag my 2021.5 in Edmonton. Best bike I've ever owned!


They are available in Canada but I think its pretty low quantity's. Managed to snag my 2021.5 in Edmonton. Best bike I've ever owned!
-MAVERICK- wrote:
That's what I thought. That said, the press release for the new bikes mentions that they'll only be available in the US.

That's why I asked.
It's only a US release when they actually do the generation updates. 2012, 2015, 2018 and now 2022. Other years they're available in other markets too!
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#434 12/9/2021 12:04am
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There are some big changes on the bikes. Frame is very different with the isolated shock tower and 250 engine is almost completly new. New head, new cases and a different bore stroke ratio.
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mxdoctor 12/9/2021 12:11am
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I think the 250F will rev like hell with that bore - stroke ratio! Will be interesting to test one back to back with the current bike. Quickshifter will also be an interesting faeture I think, especially on a 250F :-)
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#434 12/9/2021 1:12am
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81 mm bore is big for a 250! That’s 3 mm more than before and results in a tiny stroke. If they somehow manage to get a decent low end performance out of it, this engine will be hard to beat. Nobody will come close in peak HP.

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