Most Talented SX Racer ever?

Edited Date/Time 8/29/2021 2:32pm
James Stewart!!!!



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It’s either him or MC. An argument for both can be made and neither side can be shamed that bad for their opinion.
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Love a good Stew thread!
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I bet McGrath isn’t scared to say bubba was the most talented. That’s the type of guy he is.
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JS7 changed the sport like no one else ever has. Revolution.
Cheeky smiles, fun, just a great guy. These days, the guys are robots, following corporate lines. Doesn't work with our sport, really.
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McGrath.
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Raw talent? James. Total package? Jeremy.

MC’s MO: get the start, throw down a couple of heaters, manage the lead, finish line nac-nac. Predictable, but successful.

JS: poor start/hit the deck, remount, take SX to the next level. Do things others can’t, or won’t. Wildly unpredictable, but supremely entertaining.
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chasetwo79 wrote:
It’s either him or MC. An argument for both can be made and neither side can be shamed that bad for their opinion.
Talent and success are different...

Not to say MC wasn't talented, he 100% was but most I think you have to say it's James... he could do 250 laptimes on a 125, which in SX is very rare. His corner speed opened up everything and then he was basically looking at the track working out how to do it pinned.

And then i'd say Travis, KW, Ronny, CR and Kenny are close too, in how they ride SX.
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Yeah, just pure talent and speed? Stewart. The ability and consistency to do it all, week in and week out? McGrath.
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8/24/2021 6:25am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2021 6:47pm
I'm going with JMB, we only saw a small amount of what he was capable of.
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Jonracing wrote:
JS7 changed the sport like no one else ever has. Revolution. Cheeky smiles, fun, just a great guy. These days, the guys are robots, following corporate...
JS7 changed the sport like no one else ever has. Revolution.
Cheeky smiles, fun, just a great guy. These days, the guys are robots, following corporate lines. Doesn't work with our sport, really.

I was just thinking this weekend how the guys seem lees like robots than they have in years. Half the time podium guys don't even thank their sponsors. Guys like Jett, Dylan, Ken, etc. It's refreshing.
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Nairb#70 wrote:
I'm going with JMB, we only saw a small amount of what he was capable of.
The people that didn't see him race missed a huge talent. If his interest hadn't turned to roadracing, we could have seen a long string of wins from him. I say this only to say that I was wanting Bradshaw, Stanton, etc to beat him because they are "Merican" and he wasn't lol, but you couldn't deny his talent.
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McGrath hands down! he isn't called the King of supercross for nothing. Cool He had so much talent that he didn't even look like he was going fast and rarely crashed and would win effortlessly.
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"Talent" means it comes easy to you.. McGrath spent plenty of time having fun on his way to 72 wins. Bayle had a couple of good years but most talented? I have to say no. I saw Guy Cooper do more innovative jump sequences than JMB. If James could have kept it on 2 wheels while amazing us with his skill, he'd be the Man.
I'm sticking with Mcgrath.. Final answer.
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MC, JS7, RV

Everyone seems to forget how fast RV was in corners. Which is half of the track in SX.
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MC......people are quick to forget. He's by far the most talented SX rider ever. Statistics support this. JS is top 5 but not the most talented ever.

When MC came back in 2005 (may have been a different year) on the 2 stroke and was still a top 5 guy.....it was awesome.
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Coulda, should, woulda.......

MC 7 Crowns and 72 wins....case closed


pure excitement - JS pure determination - RC
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MC......people are quick to forget. He's by far the most talented SX rider ever. Statistics support this. JS is top 5 but not the most talented...
MC......people are quick to forget. He's by far the most talented SX rider ever. Statistics support this. JS is top 5 but not the most talented ever.

When MC came back in 2005 (may have been a different year) on the 2 stroke and was still a top 5 guy.....it was awesome.
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chasetwo79 wrote:
It’s either him or MC. An argument for both can be made and neither side can be shamed that bad for their opinion.
Crush wrote:
Talent and success are different... Not to say MC wasn't talented, he 100% was but most I think you have to say it's James... he could...
Talent and success are different...

Not to say MC wasn't talented, he 100% was but most I think you have to say it's James... he could do 250 laptimes on a 125, which in SX is very rare. His corner speed opened up everything and then he was basically looking at the track working out how to do it pinned.

And then i'd say Travis, KW, Ronny, CR and Kenny are close too, in how they ride SX.
I think some people forget how talented Mac was on the bike. He literally did things no one before him did. He took staying low over jumps to a new level and then James came up with the scrub.

People forget that Jeremey brought his BMX skills to the sport and before that, it has been fairly different in how things are done.
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MC was a holeshot artist and a very skilled racer, in a time when nobody had trainers or mental coaches. Once he started winning, it was hard for anyone to rise to his level.

James came into a pro scene wherein you had to have the bike skills, fitness, mental game and stars aligned in order to win. And he obliterated people regularly.

I'd say James was more "skilled." His wins were harder to come by than Jeremy's.
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bultokid wrote:
Coulda, should, woulda.......

MC 7 Crowns and 72 wins....case closed


pure excitement - JS pure determination - RC
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Mc had to get into his 30’s to start getting beat regularly and was finally taken down by a child prodigy with the heart of a lion that had to get in tremendous shape to even be able to do it. I’m a huge fan of all these greats but Mc gets my vote.
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Phil109 wrote:
X 2 Mc had to get into his 30’s to start getting beat regularly and was finally taken down by a child prodigy with the heart...
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Mc had to get into his 30’s to start getting beat regularly and was finally taken down by a child prodigy with the heart of a lion that had to get in tremendous shape to even be able to do it. I’m a huge fan of all these greats but Mc gets my vote.
I think the younger generation only think of JS7 as a "game changer" due to the bubba scrub. MC was more than a get a hole shot and be gone specialist, plenty of riders can get a holeshot, and do not win (Alessi anyone?). Many do not realize that MC did change the game, he brought what some analysts call a bmx style to MX, He was keeping his jumps as low when everyone else was still airing it out. He would be a second or more faster than everyone every lap. There is a reason he want so many titles in a row. Retired, then came back and won more back to back.

Riders had to change how they rode. JS7 is awesome, and absolutely very talented, I would not rank him above MC though and the numbers tell the same story.

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James 'Bubba' Stewart
Chad Reed
Ricky Carmichael
Jean-Michael Bayle
Christophe Pourcel
Ezra Lusk
David Bailey
Ryan Villopoto
Ryan Dungey
Jeff Stanton
Bob Hannah
Jeff Matiasevich
Damon Bradshaw

All those guys deserve a place somewhere in a list
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MXMattii wrote:
James 'Bubba' Stewart Chad Reed Ricky Carmichael Jean-Michael Bayle Christophe Pourcel Ezra Lusk David Bailey Ryan Villopoto Ryan Dungey Jeff Stanton Bob Hannah Jeff Matiasevich Damon...
James 'Bubba' Stewart
Chad Reed
Ricky Carmichael
Jean-Michael Bayle
Christophe Pourcel
Ezra Lusk
David Bailey
Ryan Villopoto
Ryan Dungey
Jeff Stanton
Bob Hannah
Jeff Matiasevich
Damon Bradshaw

All those guys deserve a place somewhere in a list
There's one glaring omission.
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There's one glaring omission.
Marty Tripes. All advances in riding style are based on Marty Tripes.
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MXMattii wrote:
James 'Bubba' Stewart Chad Reed Ricky Carmichael Jean-Michael Bayle Christophe Pourcel Ezra Lusk David Bailey Ryan Villopoto Ryan Dungey Jeff Stanton Bob Hannah Jeff Matiasevich Damon...
James 'Bubba' Stewart
Chad Reed
Ricky Carmichael
Jean-Michael Bayle
Christophe Pourcel
Ezra Lusk
David Bailey
Ryan Villopoto
Ryan Dungey
Jeff Stanton
Bob Hannah
Jeff Matiasevich
Damon Bradshaw

All those guys deserve a place somewhere in a list
ATKpilot99 wrote:
There's one glaring omission.
Where is the love for Too Hip.Shocked
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8/24/2021 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2021 5:12pm
MXMattii wrote:
James 'Bubba' Stewart Chad Reed Ricky Carmichael Jean-Michael Bayle Christophe Pourcel Ezra Lusk David Bailey Ryan Villopoto Ryan Dungey Jeff Stanton Bob Hannah Jeff Matiasevich Damon...
James 'Bubba' Stewart
Chad Reed
Ricky Carmichael
Jean-Michael Bayle
Christophe Pourcel
Ezra Lusk
David Bailey
Ryan Villopoto
Ryan Dungey
Jeff Stanton
Bob Hannah
Jeff Matiasevich
Damon Bradshaw

All those guys deserve a place somewhere in a list
ATKpilot99 wrote:
There's one glaring omission.
Indeed David Vuillemin, or maybe Jeremy McGrath Whistling

Some have changed racing a lot, others changed it more subtle by the way how they took a turn (Ryan Villopoto). But Kevin Windham for example is also a guy who deserves a place in a Hall of Fame if there is any. Ryan Dungey for the way how he could race a full championship without making much or even any mistakes, always finishing top 5.
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I remember a point on the 300th Pulp show, where DV and Red Dog said that MC won on style and Technique. RC couldn't beat him that way, so he had to train, and just beat him physically. Then Chad and Stew couldn't out work RC, so they had to beat him with style and technique. Kind of an interesting point that there is no "right" way to do things, and you can arrive at the same destination from different points.
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The trouble with such a subjective description as ‘most talented’ is that it is too often used to imply that the person named didn’t work hard or had some huge, unearned advantage over their competitors.

It tends to look like an attempt to diminish the tens of thousands of hours of work put in……
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