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Jett is going to be 18 in a couple weeks and has just 3 sx wins and currently 2 mx wins.,Lechien and Bradshaw won big boy class races at 16/17 and Pastrana and Stewart had more race wins in each discipline and titles.
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web mx wrote:
Jett is going to be 18 in a couple weeks and has just 3 sx wins and currently 2 mx wins.,Lechien and Bradshaw won big boy...
Jett is going to be 18 in a couple weeks and has just 3 sx wins and currently 2 mx wins.,Lechien and Bradshaw won big boy class races at 16/17 and Pastrana and Stewart had more race wins in each discipline and titles.
Tony D. had is first outdoor 250 title by then. Would run a total of three total back to back. He had won two 500 class outdoor races by then. With a few old timers behind him. He also had a SX win somewhere int here.

And he could have worked the pits in NASCAR!

Don't forget the old guys!


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As mentioned above.. There is a short list of riders who have won races at age 17. considering he was the youngest racer to win a...
As mentioned above.. There is a short list of riders who have won races at age 17. considering he was the youngest racer to win a MXGP at 14. Turned up at lorettas and showed he was the real deal. turned up to monster up and showed he could ride SX. then went to AUS SX and showed he can race against the more experienced riders.
The damn kid has traveled the world racing and showcased himself all by the age of 17!

Rookie year made rookie mistakes. but to be as competitive as he is at his age is what stands out.
He shouldn't be compared to any one. He is the new era of kids. and the first of the new era to have this personality that was lost for some time.
He isnt a JS259,TP199 or a RC4. But when you look at them 3 alone, even they are all different.


Most kids are not going pro until they are 20. Jetts going into his 3rd year and will be only 18. now with new rules with going pro, he is the last we will see of young riders coming through at the young age.


and as discussed above.. TP199 was an absolute talent in MX... from MXON to Outdoor titles to his rookie 125 year. even him battling RC4 in the 250 class. I 100% believe he would of won a Premier SX title if he chose to stay in Racing
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what does that have to do with anything?
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I listened to that Pulp segment with JT and Blair and the issue is that people have different definitions of what generational talent means. In my...
I listened to that Pulp segment with JT and Blair and the issue is that people have different definitions of what generational talent means.

In my mind, saying that Jett is an generational talent isn't the same as saying he is on JS7's level. It means that Jett (or whatever other rider you might talk about) is the best or one of the best talents of this current generation and that if he fulfills his potential, he will be a multitime champion. A talent capable of dominating or being the most winning rider of that generation.

This whole discussion is a dead end because people have an ocean between them when defining what generational talent means.
Exactly, well said.
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Jett may very well be a generational talent, but in my opinion, it’s way to early to slap that label on him.

There will *likely* never be another Stew or RC. The competitive bar in both classes is so high now that it’s unlikely we will ever see utter dominance like that again.

Jett is a talented rider and will not doubt win a lot of races in his career. But I feel like everyone is more in love with his enigma and character than jaw dropping ability to dominate on a bike. He has been well marketed and already has a worldwide fan base at 17 years old. That alone is going to set him up for the rest of his career. In that aspect, he is generational already. But he has a lot to prove on the bike over the next 3-5 years to be in the same bucket as Stew, RC, MC.

I think Daniel nailed it when he mentioned how closely he is following in RVs footsteps. That’s a much more likely trajectory. But I also think Sexton, Ferrandis, and AC could also be in that group of guys that carry us into the next generation of racing.
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Just because it would be a crime to not post James’ age 17 season:


And I know the argument in this thread isn’t comparing him to stew, but I’d like to see a couple more wins out of him this series. He sure does pass the eye test. Him and Cooper seem to have a Chad/James or RV/Dunge thing going of hot nasty speed vs consistency
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Generational talents are head and shoulders above the competition, on a league of their own, breaking records. For instance...from last to first...lapping the field...going 24-0...consecutive titles. Jett is a talent with huge potential but generational in my opinion no.
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Generational talents are head and shoulders above the competition, on a league of their own, breaking records. For instance...from last to first...lapping the field...going 24-0...consecutive titles...
Generational talents are head and shoulders above the competition, on a league of their own, breaking records. For instance...from last to first...lapping the field...going 24-0...consecutive titles. Jett is a talent with huge potential but generational in my opinion no.
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jambalaya 7/23/2021 3:13pm
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Not all generational talents pan out. Pourcel and pastrana were generational talents. Didn’t work out for whatever reason
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I don't get the whole "generational talent" thing. Jett hasn't really won anything yet per say. Is he talented, yes, of course. However, so are all...
I don't get the whole "generational talent" thing. Jett hasn't really won anything yet per say. Is he talented, yes, of course. However, so are all of the other riders. I do get that he is only 17 and that is remarkable. However, you can go down the list of riders that are a "generational talent." AC9, JS7, TP199, MA800, RV2, MC2 were all "generational. You know who wasn't a "generational talent?" How about RD5 or ET3 just to name a few. Pretty sure they did/doing ok. That being said, I can see why he is hyped up. They are going to do the same thing to Ryder D and Degan. I feel bad for these kids. If they don't do well, they are going to chew them up and spit them out.
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Mike Alessi? Hahahaa!
AC9, seems to following Mike's career path?
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Not all generational talents pan out. Pourcel and pastrana were generational talents. Didn’t work out for whatever reason
Pastrana is one of the most successful dudes this sport has ever seen because of his unworldly talent. Doesn’t support your argument.
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jambalaya 7/23/2021 3:54pm
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jambalaya wrote:
Not all generational talents pan out. Pourcel and pastrana were generational talents. Didn’t work out for whatever reason
aeffertz wrote:
Pastrana is one of the most successful dudes this sport has ever seen because of his unworldly talent. Doesn’t support your argument.
I mean as a motocross/supercross champion. But k. Clearly we weren’t talking about that
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jambalaya wrote:
Not all generational talents pan out. Pourcel and pastrana were generational talents. Didn’t work out for whatever reason
aeffertz wrote:
Pastrana is one of the most successful dudes this sport has ever seen because of his unworldly talent. Doesn’t support your argument.
jambalaya wrote:
I mean as a motocross/supercross champion. But k. Clearly we weren’t talking about that
Pastrana won a MX national title, and a SX regional title. he just pivoted to something he likes better. He didn’t fail at motocross racing as a sport.
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RD was a generational talent imo . He just always seems to be the best rider people forget about .
RD had generational work ethic....and a good bit of talent obviously. But I tend to think his success was moreso attributed to all the work he put into it, not raw talent. Idk if anyone has mentioned Hanny, but I think he could be considered a generational talent....because his success in racing definitely didnt come from hard work lol.
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You cant start comparing riders without comparing the fields as well. RC JS and CR only really had each other as competition. The rest of the...
You cant start comparing riders without comparing the fields as well.

RC JS and CR only really had each other as competition. The rest of the field was nowhere and as a result the generational talent back then was more flattered by lack of competition.

Current fields are riding off the coat tails of the fast 3 o 4 riders of the last generation by learning from their revolutionary riding and adopting it...plus 4ts.

The competition these days is way tighter and the gaps in timing is tighter.

If and buts and theory crafting there's no way an RC or JS is going to obliterate todays fields by 30 seconds.

FWIW I think that 250 lap times are probably approaching their limit and 450s still have a fair bit of margin left in them due to the sheer horsepower...outdoors moreso than SX.

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[b]RC JS and CR only really had each other as competition. [/b] Same as heavy weight boxing in the 70's Ali, Frazier and Foreman only had...
RC JS and CR only really had each other as competition.

Same as heavy weight boxing in the 70's Ali, Frazier and Foreman only had each other as competition.
C'mon Tommy Morrison had a step on all of em as did Jerry Gooney, "the great white hope".
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Just turned 18, just won the 250 MX title. Was pretty obvious before he was a generational talent, now the argument against just got a lot harder.
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Hey guys you understand generational means this generation right? Not best rider of all time 😂
Words are hard sometimes fellas.
Nobody’s saying he’s better than stew or rc…I’d say he’ll be another RD or RV. That’s it. If more, great.
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scott_nz 9/11/2021 7:04pm
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kijen wrote:
AC9, seems to following Mike's career path?
Not really , he’s won a 250 outdoor title , and won multiple sx 250 races which Mike never did ,

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Chris_Buehler 9/11/2021 7:14pm
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mx196 wrote:
Hey guys you understand generational means this generation right? Not best rider of all time 😂 Words are hard sometimes fellas. Nobody’s saying he’s better than...
Hey guys you understand generational means this generation right? Not best rider of all time 😂
Words are hard sometimes fellas.
Nobody’s saying he’s better than stew or rc…I’d say he’ll be another RD or RV. That’s it. If more, great.
You say he'll be another RD or RV so casually. Both their careers numbers are insane and both have way more titles than Stew
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mx196 9/11/2021 7:19pm
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You say he'll be another RD or RV so casually. Both their careers numbers are insane and both have way more titles than Stew
That is completely false based off of their age timelines. I agree they have more titles but Stew won most of his titles in his teens so with that being said you have to look at career accomplishments by 18 then.
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Denn700 wrote:
He is a great rider but he needs to do something really special to convince me. Reed went from an 85 to a 250 two stroke...
He is a great rider but he needs to do something really special to convince me. Reed went from an 85 to a 250 two stroke and won back to back Australian Supercross championships at 16 and 17. At 18 he finished 2nd in the MXGP premier class and at 19, his rookie AMA year on a 250F, he almost swept the East series. He came from way back to almost catching Jesseman on the last lap and then he lost to Stew in the shootout.
Chad was racing an RM125 in Australia as a junior. He won the 1997 125cc u15 Aussie title. I remember a good battle between him, Shane Metcalfe and Adam Cini. He just never raced a 125 here professionally.
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Chris_Buehler 9/11/2021 7:33pm
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
You say he'll be another RD or RV so casually. Both their careers numbers are insane and both have way more titles than Stew
mx196 wrote:
That is completely false based off of their age timelines. I agree they have more titles but Stew won most of his titles in his teens...
That is completely false based off of their age timelines. I agree they have more titles but Stew won most of his titles in his teens so with that being said you have to look at career accomplishments by 18 then.
I wasn't trying to stack them up against Stew. What he did for the sport transcends career numbers and titles. I was more talking about how casual you threw out he could be another one of the Ryan's. Both gotta be top 5 all time for AMA riders. Could Jett be better another Tomac? Because Tomac isn't on either of the Ryan's level career wise if you ask me
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
You say he'll be another RD or RV so casually. Both their careers numbers are insane and both have way more titles than Stew
mx196 wrote:
That is completely false based off of their age timelines. I agree they have more titles but Stew won most of his titles in his teens...
That is completely false based off of their age timelines. I agree they have more titles but Stew won most of his titles in his teens so with that being said you have to look at career accomplishments by 18 then.
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I wasn't trying to stack them up against Stew. What he did for the sport transcends career numbers and titles. I was more talking about how...
I wasn't trying to stack them up against Stew. What he did for the sport transcends career numbers and titles. I was more talking about how casual you threw out he could be another one of the Ryan's. Both gotta be top 5 all time for AMA riders. Could Jett be better another Tomac? Because Tomac isn't on either of the Ryan's level career wise if you ask me
Tomac is faster than RV in MX but mentality it's not even close, RV's mental eats Tomac's guys like RV don't really have bad days like Tomac has.
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decano51 wrote:
As mentioned above.. There is a short list of riders who have won races at age 17. considering he was the youngest racer to win a...
As mentioned above.. There is a short list of riders who have won races at age 17. considering he was the youngest racer to win a MXGP at 14. Turned up at lorettas and showed he was the real deal. turned up to monster up and showed he could ride SX. then went to AUS SX and showed he can race against the more experienced riders.
The damn kid has traveled the world racing and showcased himself all by the age of 17!

Rookie year made rookie mistakes. but to be as competitive as he is at his age is what stands out.
He shouldn't be compared to any one. He is the new era of kids. and the first of the new era to have this personality that was lost for some time.
He isnt a JS259,TP199 or a RC4. But when you look at them 3 alone, even they are all different.


Most kids are not going pro until they are 20. Jetts going into his 3rd year and will be only 18. now with new rules with going pro, he is the last we will see of young riders coming through at the young age.


and as discussed above.. TP199 was an absolute talent in MX... from MXON to Outdoor titles to his rookie 125 year. even him battling RC4 in the 250 class. I 100% believe he would of won a Premier SX title if he chose to stay in Racing
He's never even raced in mxgp it was emx
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Thisusernameisavailable 9/11/2021 8:18pm
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Park Boys wrote:
Just turned 18, just won the 250 MX title. Was pretty obvious before he was a generational talent, now the argument against just got a lot...
Just turned 18, just won the 250 MX title. Was pretty obvious before he was a generational talent, now the argument against just got a lot harder.
Are you still harping on about this?? Are you going to revive this thread with every Moto win??

Is Jett talented? Yes.
Is he a ‘great’ of the sport? Not yet.

Conversation over.
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scott_nz 9/11/2021 8:25pm
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Denn700 wrote:
He is a great rider but he needs to do something really special to convince me. Reed went from an 85 to a 250 two stroke...
He is a great rider but he needs to do something really special to convince me. Reed went from an 85 to a 250 two stroke and won back to back Australian Supercross championships at 16 and 17. At 18 he finished 2nd in the MXGP premier class and at 19, his rookie AMA year on a 250F, he almost swept the East series. He came from way back to almost catching Jesseman on the last lap and then he lost to Stew in the shootout.
pdub187 wrote:
Chad was racing an RM125 in Australia as a junior. He won the 1997 125cc u15 Aussie title. I remember a good battle between him, Shane...
Chad was racing an RM125 in Australia as a junior. He won the 1997 125cc u15 Aussie title. I remember a good battle between him, Shane Metcalfe and Adam Cini. He just never raced a 125 here professionally.
He raced 125s in mx and what we call sx in nz in 98 and 99 (as well as 250s against Coppins and Hurley )
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Park Boys wrote:
Just turned 18, just won the 250 MX title. Was pretty obvious before he was a generational talent, now the argument against just got a lot...
Just turned 18, just won the 250 MX title. Was pretty obvious before he was a generational talent, now the argument against just got a lot harder.
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Are you still harping on about this?? Are you going to revive this thread with every Moto win?? Is Jett talented? Yes. Is he a ‘great’...
Are you still harping on about this?? Are you going to revive this thread with every Moto win??

Is Jett talented? Yes.
Is he a ‘great’ of the sport? Not yet.

Conversation over.
Hmm, revive the thread after every moto win? From the looks of it no. Perhaps you should check the dates on the thread. Revive the thread after an 18 year old wins the 250 MX title which hasn’t been done since 2006? Yes.
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2017 - EMX85 (you could already see the insane talent)
2018 - EMX250. Won races on a privateer Suzuki age 14
2019 - 250A on the Honda. Impressing everyone at LL. Didnt he miss a title due to bike problem?
2020 - First year pro’s. Start of the hype
2021 - AMA 250 National Champion age 18.

Pretty impressive
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Chris99Flannery 9/12/2021 4:26am
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With the 22 being a better bike, he might have 3 titles by next year. 3 titles at 19-20 years old.
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2017 - EMX85 (you could already see the insane talent) 2018 - EMX250. Won races on a privateer Suzuki age 14 2019 - 250A on the...
2017 - EMX85 (you could already see the insane talent)
2018 - EMX250. Won races on a privateer Suzuki age 14
2019 - 250A on the Honda. Impressing everyone at LL. Didnt he miss a title due to bike problem?
2020 - First year pro’s. Start of the hype
2021 - AMA 250 National Champion age 18.

Pretty impressive
You need to mention World Champion on a 65 at 13.

The guys that win those will lap your local pro on his 450 in a 20 minute moto.
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