250 outdoor power ranking

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This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list of the riders i know are on teams. Send out your lists!

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett Lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Austin Forkner
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Hunter Lawerence
7. Alex Martin
8. Ty Masterpool
9. Cameron Mcadoo
10. Michael Mosiman
11. Colt Nichols
12. Maximus Vholand
13. Pierce Brown
14. Nate Thrasher (Probably going to do a lot better)
15. Levi Kitchen (possibly Moving up)
16. Jo Shmioda
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. Mitchell Oldenburg (I dont know where he fits in on this field)
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LouisianaMotocross 5/12/2021 12:20pm
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Levi kitchen needs to move up. I would be surprised and disappointed if he didn’t.
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Levi kitchen needs to move up. I would be surprised and disappointed if he didn’t.
SML claims he is staying down until SX next year.
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Bacon_n_Egg'r 5/12/2021 1:57pm
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Shimoda and Nichols both need to move up that list at the expense of Mosiman and Ty Masterpool. No disrespect to either, but Nichols when he's been healthy outdoors is a solid top-10 to top-5 guy and Shimoda will be better than last year.

Also, Forkner is way too high at #4 given that he hasn't raced an outdoor since 2018. And that season was not exceptional except for High Point. In fact his best outdoor season was his rookie year way back in 2016.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/austin-forkner/races

Swap Forkner (never hear of her) for Hunter Lawrence.

But yeah, 250 outdoors is deep and the first laps of those early season motos are usually the best and craziest races.
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Muffin69 5/12/2021 2:43pm
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Bacon_n_Egg'r wrote:
Shimoda and Nichols both need to move up that list at the expense of Mosiman and Ty Masterpool. No disrespect to either, but Nichols when he's...
Shimoda and Nichols both need to move up that list at the expense of Mosiman and Ty Masterpool. No disrespect to either, but Nichols when he's been healthy outdoors is a solid top-10 to top-5 guy and Shimoda will be better than last year.

Also, Forkner is way too high at #4 given that he hasn't raced an outdoor since 2018. And that season was not exceptional except for High Point. In fact his best outdoor season was his rookie year way back in 2016.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/austin-forkner/races

Swap Forkner (never hear of her) for Hunter Lawrence.

But yeah, 250 outdoors is deep and the first laps of those early season motos are usually the best and craziest races.
Colt didn't do any outdoors last year, and he is coming off of the championship high so it was just a hard to place him.

The Forkner/lawerence swap is solid but they both seem to end up on the ground same as smith. Is smith lining up outdoors i haven't seen anything yet?

Masterpool he is just a favorite, big fan of the kid and he has crazy speed if he can stay up, Then he is top 10 all day.
But heres the updated.

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Hunter lawerence
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Austin Forkner
7. Alex martin
8. Colt Nichols
9. Jo shmioda
10. Ty Masterpool
11. Michael Mosiman
12. Cameron Mcadoo
13. Jordan Smith
14. Maximus Vholand
15. Pierce Brown
16. Nate Thrasher
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. mitchell oldenburg
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Bacon_n_Egg'r 5/12/2021 2:59pm
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I like the looks of your list better now. Maybe I'm a bit too high on Nichols but his last outdoor season in 2019 was pretty solid:

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/colt-nichols/races

Always hard to weigh speed vs consistency and experience, but in most cases I tend to value the guys who are proven and/or consistent in 250 outdoors.
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Muffin69 5/12/2021 3:06pm
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Bacon_n_Egg'r wrote:
I like the looks of your list better now. Maybe I'm a bit too high on Nichols but his last outdoor season in 2019 was pretty...
I like the looks of your list better now. Maybe I'm a bit too high on Nichols but his last outdoor season in 2019 was pretty solid:

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/colt-nichols/races

Always hard to weigh speed vs consistency and experience, but in most cases I tend to value the guys who are proven and/or consistent in 250 outdoors.
Nichol's 2019 was solid before he crashed out at buds creek, and what happened with him in 2020 outdoors? i cant remember. He has not finished the last two outdoor seasons but i hope he stays healthy this year!
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Cooper might end up impressing beyond 3rd on that list.
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tomlopez 5/12/2021 3:43pm
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Here's mine:
1. Justin Cooper
2. Jeremy Martin
3. Jett Lawrence
4. Hunter Lawrence
5. Colt Nichols
6. Austin Forkner
7. Seth Hammaker
8. Cameron Mcadoo
9.Jo Shimoda
10. RJ Hampshire
11. Alex Martin
12. Michael Mosiman
13. Nate Thrasher
14. Ty Masterpool
Don't know enough about the other guys to rank them. If Forkner stays upright, I think he could do better than 6th. But with his inconsistency, it's hard to rank him above the Star Yamaha and Honda boys who I know will definitely be really good. And for the record, I had a hard time making this list and I believe that 9 out of the top 10 guys have a legitimate shot at finishing in the top 5 in the points standings at the end of the year. Heck, Hampshire, A Mart, Mosiman, Thrasher, and Masterpool are the only guys whom I would be surprised if they finished top 5. I don't know anything about Thrasher's outdoor speed though, so I could be totally wrong.
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deanwhite51 5/12/2021 3:51pm
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why is forkner in the top 10? he hasn't done anything in outdoors in how long?

Shimoda got on the podium in outdoors last year.. so why is he so far down hahaha it doesn't make sense
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Bacon_n_Egg'r wrote:
Shimoda and Nichols both need to move up that list at the expense of Mosiman and Ty Masterpool. No disrespect to either, but Nichols when he's...
Shimoda and Nichols both need to move up that list at the expense of Mosiman and Ty Masterpool. No disrespect to either, but Nichols when he's been healthy outdoors is a solid top-10 to top-5 guy and Shimoda will be better than last year.

Also, Forkner is way too high at #4 given that he hasn't raced an outdoor since 2018. And that season was not exceptional except for High Point. In fact his best outdoor season was his rookie year way back in 2016.

https://vault.racerxonline.com/rider/austin-forkner/races

Swap Forkner (never hear of her) for Hunter Lawrence.

But yeah, 250 outdoors is deep and the first laps of those early season motos are usually the best and craziest races.
Muffin69 wrote:
Colt didn't do any outdoors last year, and he is coming off of the championship high so it was just a hard to place him. The...
Colt didn't do any outdoors last year, and he is coming off of the championship high so it was just a hard to place him.

The Forkner/lawerence swap is solid but they both seem to end up on the ground same as smith. Is smith lining up outdoors i haven't seen anything yet?

Masterpool he is just a favorite, big fan of the kid and he has crazy speed if he can stay up, Then he is top 10 all day.
But heres the updated.

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Hunter lawerence
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Austin Forkner
7. Alex martin
8. Colt Nichols
9. Jo shmioda
10. Ty Masterpool
11. Michael Mosiman
12. Cameron Mcadoo
13. Jordan Smith
14. Maximus Vholand
15. Pierce Brown
16. Nate Thrasher
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. mitchell oldenburg
Only change* I'd make to your list is swapping Hampshire and Hunter Lawrence. Hampshire has a win, a bunch more podiums than Lawrence, and if I remember correctly, he was leading the points for a couple of rounds last season.

*My personal bias would be to switch Forkner and Shimoda as well, but Forkner has a history of better results (when he keeps it on 2 wheels).
LouisianaMotocross 5/12/2021 4:27pm
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Levi kitchen needs to move up. I would be surprised and disappointed if he didn’t.
stremme12 wrote:
SML claims he is staying down until SX next year.
Was that on a podcast? I’d like to listen to it if you know which one,
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This will get a lot of justifiable thumbs downs...but I'd go as far as swapping Hunter with Jett.

After his SX showing I've got this feeling that he might have a break out season if he keeps it upright.
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Levi kitchen needs to move up. I would be surprised and disappointed if he didn’t.
stremme12 wrote:
SML claims he is staying down until SX next year.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Was that on a podcast? I’d like to listen to it if you know which one,
Yeah I believe it was on one of their last 2 kickstart podcasts. I can't remember which one but both of them are worth a listen in my opinion. It's just under Swap Moto Live on Spotify is what I use.
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A completely different Hunter Lawrence health wise from last year might surprise a few people. Colt Nichols should be way higher that 6. They guy just seems to have his head on really straight, he's healthy and is on a Star bike.
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deanwhite51 wrote:
why is forkner in the top 10? he hasn't done anything in outdoors in how long? Shimoda got on the podium in outdoors last year.. so...
why is forkner in the top 10? he hasn't done anything in outdoors in how long?

Shimoda got on the podium in outdoors last year.. so why is he so far down hahaha it doesn't make sense
Forkner to me is a huge question mark. But top 10 should be a no brainer. We can work with speed.
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Muffin69 wrote:
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list...
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list of the riders i know are on teams. Send out your lists!

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett Lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Austin Forkner
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Hunter Lawerence
7. Alex Martin
8. Ty Masterpool
9. Cameron Mcadoo
10. Michael Mosiman
11. Colt Nichols
12. Maximus Vholand
13. Pierce Brown
14. Nate Thrasher (Probably going to do a lot better)
15. Levi Kitchen (possibly Moving up)
16. Jo Shmioda
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. Mitchell Oldenburg (I dont know where he fits in on this field)
I think Jmart and Jett are the 2 favorites.... Hunter Lawrence is right there with Forkner and Max Vohland is going to shock some people.....I think hes going to fly outdoors.
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SWOHIO GUY 5/12/2021 6:09pm
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Willing to bet $100 that Forkner wins the title!
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Willing to bet $100 that Forkner wins the title!
bet.
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LouisianaMotocross 5/12/2021 6:51pm
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Muffin69 wrote:
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list...
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list of the riders i know are on teams. Send out your lists!

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett Lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Austin Forkner
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Hunter Lawerence
7. Alex Martin
8. Ty Masterpool
9. Cameron Mcadoo
10. Michael Mosiman
11. Colt Nichols
12. Maximus Vholand
13. Pierce Brown
14. Nate Thrasher (Probably going to do a lot better)
15. Levi Kitchen (possibly Moving up)
16. Jo Shmioda
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. Mitchell Oldenburg (I dont know where he fits in on this field)
munsch121 wrote:
I think Jmart and Jett are the 2 favorites.... Hunter Lawrence is right there with Forkner and Max Vohland is going to shock some people.....I think...
I think Jmart and Jett are the 2 favorites.... Hunter Lawrence is right there with Forkner and Max Vohland is going to shock some people.....I think hes going to fly outdoors.
I think hunter has the better outdoor series overall.
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LouisianaMotocross wrote:
Levi kitchen needs to move up. I would be surprised and disappointed if he didn’t.
stremme12 wrote:
SML claims he is staying down until SX next year.
I heard the same, but hoping it happens. If any consolation, he's out there practicing with the big dogs so maybe there is still a chance. He's #147.


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How is Jett higher in people’s rankings then Hunter?
Hunter is one of the favourites in my mind.
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inthebadboycorner 5/13/2021 2:17am
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Muffin69 wrote:
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list...
This years 250 class is insane and going to be extremely packed. Privateers are going to have a rough time, i just threw together a list of the riders i know are on teams. Send out your lists!

national 250 power rankings

1. Jeremy Martin
2. Jett Lawerence
3. Justin Cooper
4. Austin Forkner
5. Rj Hampshire
6. Hunter Lawerence
7. Alex Martin
8. Ty Masterpool
9. Cameron Mcadoo
10. Michael Mosiman
11. Colt Nichols
12. Maximus Vholand
13. Pierce Brown
14. Nate Thrasher (Probably going to do a lot better)
15. Levi Kitchen (possibly Moving up)
16. Jo Shmioda
17. Dylan Schwartz
18. Stilez robertson
19. Mitchell Harrison
20. Jalek Swoll
21. Carson Mumford
22. Derek Drake
23. Jarret frye
24. Kaliub Russel
25. Mitchell Oldenburg (I dont know where he fits in on this field)
munsch121 wrote:
I think Jmart and Jett are the 2 favorites.... Hunter Lawrence is right there with Forkner and Max Vohland is going to shock some people.....I think...
I think Jmart and Jett are the 2 favorites.... Hunter Lawrence is right there with Forkner and Max Vohland is going to shock some people.....I think hes going to fly outdoors.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
I think hunter has the better outdoor series overall.
I really hope so.
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SWOHIO GUY wrote:
Willing to bet $100 that Forkner wins the title!
I'll take that bet
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CPR wrote:
How is Jett higher in people’s rankings then Hunter?
Hunter is one of the favourites in my mind.
The real question is, how is Jett higher than Justin Cooper? Jett has 1 podium/win in his outdoor career.
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I'll say it, Hunter is going to own the nationals this year. Or I atleast hope so lol.
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