Seriously DC? Why?

EngIceDave wrote:

NBC/Peacock has the broadcast rights. None of this is new, we all grew up with our tickets saying "No Audio/Video allowed" Who said that changed? It...

NBC/Peacock has the broadcast rights.

None of this is new, we all grew up with our tickets saying "No Audio/Video allowed"
Who said that changed?

It didn't. It's the same rules that's been around all our lives, because someone owns the video rights to the event. It applies to everyone, even teams. For years, teams have been required to get their video camera/guy approved for internal use on raceday. The cameras have a sticker showing it's approved. They have rules on their use of that video, because video rights are owned by NBC.

Why have or pay for exclusivity if the promoter is just going to ignore my broadcast rights I paid for? Quality is irrelevant. When posted is irrelevant.

Anyone think Dana White would allow fighters or their crew to video tape fights and just toss them up on youtube for free? It's the same thing.

What if an NFL player decided on their own to wear a camera and put it all on the internet the next day? How would the NFL react to that? It's the same thing.

kage173 wrote:

Seriously not a big deal. Put it on your chest or the bike. Glad they're keeping riders safe.

neysbo wrote:

For Pro racing they are saying no camera mounted anywhere.

kage173 wrote:

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited. As far as the $ is concerned It says that you can post 2 60 clips...

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited.

As far as the $ is concerned
It says that you can post 2 60 clips for a total of 2 mins and you have to tag the motocross handle. Seems fair to me. They can still vlog about their day and then include the onboard footage.

neysbo wrote:

For Pro racing they are saying no camera mounted anywhere.

kage173 wrote:

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited. As far as the $ is concerned It says that you can post 2 60 clips...

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited.

As far as the $ is concerned
It says that you can post 2 60 clips for a total of 2 mins and you have to tag the motocross handle. Seems fair to me. They can still vlog about their day and then include the onboard footage.

dkurtd wrote:

Here is what the competition bulletin say: c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard...

Here is what the competition bulletin say:

c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard Cameras for mounting on the motorcycle or body of the rider, other than the helmet, subject to footage use terms and conditions.

So yes they can be mounted elsewhere provided they are approved and meet MX Sports/Pro Motocross terms and conditions.

Here is the link to the actual application to mount/use one:

https://mxsportsproracing.com/page/onboard-camera-use-application


So what may have started at AMA as a safety rule quickly turned into an easy way for MX Sports to enforce broadcast rights.

DC wrote:

Sorry, I was out at the Area Qualifier all weekend... It is a question of safety, not broadcasting or broadcast rights. We loved having on-board footage...

Sorry, I was out at the Area Qualifier all weekend...

It is a question of safety, not broadcasting or broadcast rights. We loved having on-board footage from Adam Cianciarulo or Alex Martin and others last year, and hopefully we can continue that with various riders, only with the camera mounted somewhere other than the helmet. The possibility of compromising the integrity of the helmet was made clear a couple of times recently, and MX Sports simply followed the FIM and AMA's evolving stance on this. No one "gains" here except riders and their safety. We are neither doctors nor engineers, but this seems like the right move. And no one is banning cameras or footage, we're just asking riders to not put devices on their helmets.

DC
Racer X

kage173 wrote:

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited. As far as the $ is concerned It says that you can post 2 60 clips...

That's not what it says. Only helmet cams are prohibited.

As far as the $ is concerned
It says that you can post 2 60 clips for a total of 2 mins and you have to tag the motocross handle. Seems fair to me. They can still vlog about their day and then include the onboard footage.

dkurtd wrote:

Here is what the competition bulletin say: c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard...

Here is what the competition bulletin say:

c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard Cameras for mounting on the motorcycle or body of the rider, other than the helmet, subject to footage use terms and conditions.

So yes they can be mounted elsewhere provided they are approved and meet MX Sports/Pro Motocross terms and conditions.

Here is the link to the actual application to mount/use one:

https://mxsportsproracing.com/page/onboard-camera-use-application


So what may have started at AMA as a safety rule quickly turned into an easy way for MX Sports to enforce broadcast rights.

DC wrote:

Sorry, I was out at the Area Qualifier all weekend... It is a question of safety, not broadcasting or broadcast rights. We loved having on-board footage...

Sorry, I was out at the Area Qualifier all weekend...

It is a question of safety, not broadcasting or broadcast rights. We loved having on-board footage from Adam Cianciarulo or Alex Martin and others last year, and hopefully we can continue that with various riders, only with the camera mounted somewhere other than the helmet. The possibility of compromising the integrity of the helmet was made clear a couple of times recently, and MX Sports simply followed the FIM and AMA's evolving stance on this. No one "gains" here except riders and their safety. We are neither doctors nor engineers, but this seems like the right move. And no one is banning cameras or footage, we're just asking riders to not put devices on their helmets.

DC
Racer X

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Honestly, at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of deal. I'm only saying that because I believe the usage of the...

Honestly, at the end of the day I don't think it's that big of deal. I'm only saying that because I believe the usage of the recordings were limited to 60 seconds on Instagram, Facebook, etc.

A 60 second clip doesn't even get you 1 lap around a national track.

The bigger issue is not allowing the riders to create worthwhile content and putting out full length motos. A 60 second clip hardly engages anyone.

Let them record their motos and put out videos worth watching. Give the riders something to help them grow their social media following.

TeamGreen wrote:

c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard Cameras for mounting on the motorcycle or...

c. Helmet-mounted cameras or other recording devices of any type are prohibited. Riders may request approval to use Onboard Cameras for mounting on the motorcycle or body of the rider, other than the helmet, subject to footage use terms

Late last year, a rule was announced that cameras or other accessories would NOT be permitted to be attached to a rider’s helmet in all amateur AMA Racing disciplines. The new rule was created through the AMA Competition Commissions process and approved by the AMA Board of Directors.

The new rule did not initially apply to professional AMA events, as helmet cameras were allowed in Monster Energy Supercross.

This is no longer the case in regard to Lucas Oil Pro Motocross, as riders must now request approval to use onboard cameras for mounting on the motorcycle or body of the rider, other than the helmet.

The rule is new to the U.S. but not other parts of the world. Australia banned helmet cameras in 2017 and parts of Europe have done so as well.

After reading it & seeing what it actually says, my take is...
1. Cameras ARE ALLOWED.
The reason for needing approval seems simple enough: you’re taking something out on the track/course & that is -all- under the AMA’s purview.
2. There’s more than a few known injuries due to helmet mounted cameras. You could argue this; but, cases like Schumacher’s seem to tell the tale.
3. “Money Grab”? I’m not seeing it that way at all. If ya wanna argue about being able to sale your own shirts, more/longer video content or simply being able to show an actual “entire lap”? Hell, I’m with ya...but...see #4...
4. I don’t see The Grand Conspiracy & it would be nice, if just for once, people weren’t so sure that “the whole world sucks and there’s nothing good out there”...
But, hey, that’s just me.
Oh, by the way, is it just me or are A LOT of people really lacking a sense of humor up in here?

C U @ the races.
Manny

Up Wind wrote:

Its not like you don't already sign your life way to get on the track. Safety first would equal never get on a dirt bike. If...

Its not like you don't already sign your life way to get on the track. Safety first would equal never get on a dirt bike. If you haven't read a rider agreement lately...most have a few paragraphs about the understanding that you might die on the bike and are ok with it.. Its purely a money thing IMO. Whats next a triple jump causes injuries....so let's ban them? Its to hot to race? People get tired and crash because the race is to long? Tracks get rough in the second moto? Why not require kidney belts, chest protectors and elbow pads? How many injuries has MX racing caused versus how many helmet cams have caused? Lol. Extra footage equals extra views somewhere else equals lost revenues. Makes sense. I would ban them too! IMO.

davis224 wrote:

Video rights and where they're allowed to attach the camera are 2 different arguments completely.

Video rights and where they're allowed to attach the camera are 2 different arguments completely.

lostboy819 wrote:

If these so called privateers are losing out on money because they can't make a video then they are in the wrong business and need to...

If these so called privateers are losing out on money because they can't make a video then they are in the wrong business and need to find another way to make a living. I have heard every privateer excuse in the books but that one is the best.

Up Wind wrote:

Its not like you don't already sign your life way to get on the track. Safety first would equal never get on a dirt bike. If...

Its not like you don't already sign your life way to get on the track. Safety first would equal never get on a dirt bike. If you haven't read a rider agreement lately...most have a few paragraphs about the understanding that you might die on the bike and are ok with it.. Its purely a money thing IMO. Whats next a triple jump causes injuries....so let's ban them? Its to hot to race? People get tired and crash because the race is to long? Tracks get rough in the second moto? Why not require kidney belts, chest protectors and elbow pads? How many injuries has MX racing caused versus how many helmet cams have caused? Lol. Extra footage equals extra views somewhere else equals lost revenues. Makes sense. I would ban them too! IMO.

Markturbo wrote:

Who's DC ?

Markturbo wrote:

Who's DC ?

Prntscrn wrote:

I can understand why it not allowed to mount it on top of the helmet. You can totally feel the weight of it on heavy landings...

I can understand why it not allowed to mount it on top of the helmet. You can totally feel the weight of it on heavy landings etc