30+ ab, 30+ cd, 35+, 40+ab and 40+cd is stupid

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crowe660 wrote:
Make split programs great again
I have been trying to have the local series do that for years to no avail. I used to love racing in MI with the split program.
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spimx wrote:
Why are there so many classes now days? Someone on here over 30 tell me you care what place you get. Going home no trophy are...
Why are there so many classes now days? Someone on here over 30 tell me you care what place you get. Going home no trophy are you really going to care?
Some of these classes will have like 2 people in them and they keep having the class year after year
I'm 53 and was off dirt bikes for 20 years before I started riding again. I love to race but have no business being on a track with guys like Barry Carsten.

I'm old, I'm slow, I'm out of shape but my entry fee is just as important as the fast young guys.
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I’ll be 30 in 2 weeks, I was off the bike for 7 years. Got back into it in 2019. I’m a solid intermediate rider. My local vet series has many options for 25 and over riders. The bigger local series is 25+ a/b or 25+c. Literally pros/ex pros in a/b and dudes that don’t know which way the track goes in C. I feel like I don’t belong in either class. The vet series has separate A B C for each age group from 25-50. Combined classes/gates. I’d rather leave in one piece with people that have the same mentality as me
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gt80rider 3/18/2021 7:40am
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I'm just glad the vet classes are fairly full now days
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evansteinberg 3/18/2021 7:44am
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Usabmx did the same thing. Everyone gets a trophy! It was one of the main reasons I quit. Who wants to race a class with 5 riders? Let alone travel for that race.
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Radical wrote:
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few...
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few years. Love it!

I'm in it to win it. Yes, I care what place I take, but more than that, I care that I'm progressing, and ride my very best, every time I line up. I'm pretty much a C/D rider. When I start winning, I'll move up to the next class.

Having as many riders in my class as possible is always more fun.
Come join. I just started with othg south this year and it has been a blast. Awesome people and the organization has its shit together. If you have your own transponder and pre-register for races online, there is zero waiting in line race day morning. The classes are organized well and they do a great job of filling the gates to get through the day as quickly as possible...as you can see by that race schedule.
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sesker15 3/18/2021 7:46am
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I went to the budds creek area qualifier last weekend. Just to watch the 30plus class. If you are not a x pro or someone that has tried qualifying for a pro outdoor/supercross race skill level. You do not have a chance in hell in making it to Loretta's in the 30 plus class. This was probably the fastest class all weekend. Oh yea Nick Hayes is a bad dude on a dirtbike. Nick race the open pro sport class and waxed all the young dudes the first moto. Nick won both the 30plus and 25plus.
I know as long as you never scored 1 point you can race this class.
But damn those 30plus dudes are fast.
I do not know what a good solution would be for a "normal" vet guy and making it to loretta's is but the 30plus is not it. LOL.

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sounds like its your promoter that needs to rethink their program. Here 30+ and 40+ has some very fast guys and ex-pros. they also have a lot of guys on the gate. I do not necessarily agree with the random 35+ in your title. it seems out of place. if your local promoter is any good he will adjust the classes as needed (add /remove in a safe manner) in order to fill a gate or to move the program along. while i feel the same as a lot of these guys that i do not need a trophy but i do like to do good every time i line up. if i did not still have a competitive nature i would just go ride local trails with the boys.
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Deadric 3/18/2021 8:01am
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I honestly just want a class that I can race on Sunday and then show up for work Monday morning instead of having to worry about being punted off the track in a battle over 15th place. Thats why I ride 30+ now. For the most part we all agree being able to walk Monday morning is the important part.
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spimx wrote:
Why are there so many classes now days? Someone on here over 30 tell me you care what place you get. Going home no trophy are...
Why are there so many classes now days? Someone on here over 30 tell me you care what place you get. Going home no trophy are you really going to care?
Some of these classes will have like 2 people in them and they keep having the class year after year
I believe they need age and skill based classes, but once it reaches age 25 or 30 they should take out ages and just do it based on skill. They do have 250/450 A/B/C for my scenario, but they need to exclude the pimple faced kids that scare the working class. If you are 45b, but as you've aged gotten slower then you might need to race the C class. No need for a 45b class that is the speed of 30c. Shorten race day and increase racers and I will come back to racing.
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I'm still on board with rider skill designations, as long as there are enough competitors to run 3 or more riders per class. Run them on the same gate, or at least the same moto with two gate drops. Boom, problem solved. You can still score each class independently.

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SoCalMX70 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/03/17/483654/s1200_20210221_094016.jpg[/img] Here's a typical OTHG race schedule here in SoCal. Those first 2 were freebie 3 lap dashes. Race 1 was all ages (30+) intermediate and...


Here's a typical OTHG race schedule here in SoCal. Those first 2 were freebie 3 lap dashes. Race 1 was all ages (30+) intermediate and up (yes the word intermediate was missing), Race 2 Beginner and Novice. Gates were huge and it was just for fun.

The rest are the normal classes/races. Notice the stacking of gates. No moments of "2 people on the gate". The club makes sure you're racing a good group of people.

It's a vet club and I think this gets the job done. Notice the motos are 16-20 mins + 1 lap too. The age groups are also divided differently than most other series/clubs.
Radical wrote:
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few...
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few years. Love it!

I'm in it to win it. Yes, I care what place I take, but more than that, I care that I'm progressing, and ride my very best, every time I line up. I'm pretty much a C/D rider. When I start winning, I'll move up to the next class.

Having as many riders in my class as possible is always more fun.
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It’s fun and laid back. I’ve only had the chance to race with them once, but I can’t wait to race with them again. The whole...
It’s fun and laid back. I’ve only had the chance to race with them once, but I can’t wait to race with them again. The whole environment is awesome. I enjoy being able to come off the track and BS with the dude I just battled with the entire moto and that’s exactly what happened after both motos when I raced with OTHG. Plus the races were completely over by 2pm.
Radical - yes, do come out. Good group of people, good races, long motos. Smile

Matty - why haven't you came out and raced with us more?
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Natester551v 3/18/2021 8:58am
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This is exactly why I switched to GP's many years back. It's not for everyone, but you get your money's worth with 1-hr races...

WORCS and Big 6 / NGPC races are pretty fun...pretty simple class structure as well...
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mattyhamz2 3/18/2021 9:03am
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Radical wrote:
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few...
I'm going to look you guys up and show up to some races! Those are long motos compared to the races I've entered the last few years. Love it!

I'm in it to win it. Yes, I care what place I take, but more than that, I care that I'm progressing, and ride my very best, every time I line up. I'm pretty much a C/D rider. When I start winning, I'll move up to the next class.

Having as many riders in my class as possible is always more fun.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
It’s fun and laid back. I’ve only had the chance to race with them once, but I can’t wait to race with them again. The whole...
It’s fun and laid back. I’ve only had the chance to race with them once, but I can’t wait to race with them again. The whole environment is awesome. I enjoy being able to come off the track and BS with the dude I just battled with the entire moto and that’s exactly what happened after both motos when I raced with OTHG. Plus the races were completely over by 2pm.
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Radical - yes, do come out. Good group of people, good races, long motos. :) Matty - why haven't you came out and raced with us...
Radical - yes, do come out. Good group of people, good races, long motos. Smile

Matty - why haven't you came out and raced with us more?
Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2 stroke world champs in October. On the plus side, I was able to get my 98 YZ buttoned up and the RMZ is staying at 10 hours Laughing
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Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2...
Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2 stroke world champs in October. On the plus side, I was able to get my 98 YZ buttoned up and the RMZ is staying at 10 hours Laughing
Nice on the YZ!! So coming out to 2 stroke? I raced the 6 hour on a YZ250. But it was too stiff/harsh for me and was down right scary 5th gear on the fast sections!! But still a fun day!!

Racing REM sat and doing trials on sunday in Lucerne Valley!
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Moto520 3/18/2021 9:16am
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My thing is that i want to race with a decent gate. Here's the deal though.....i can race the vet classes and also race the 450/ 250 classes as well. if there aren't enough vets in my class....i will race Open A and get absolutely waxed.
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sesker15 wrote:
I went to the budds creek area qualifier last weekend. Just to watch the 30plus class. If you are not a x pro or someone that...
I went to the budds creek area qualifier last weekend. Just to watch the 30plus class. If you are not a x pro or someone that has tried qualifying for a pro outdoor/supercross race skill level. You do not have a chance in hell in making it to Loretta's in the 30 plus class. This was probably the fastest class all weekend. Oh yea Nick Hayes is a bad dude on a dirtbike. Nick race the open pro sport class and waxed all the young dudes the first moto. Nick won both the 30plus and 25plus.
I know as long as you never scored 1 point you can race this class.
But damn those 30plus dudes are fast.
I do not know what a good solution would be for a "normal" vet guy and making it to loretta's is but the 30plus is not it. LOL.

That's the problem with +30 at loretta's. Or any "sportsman" class. I knew it was fast when I saw what Wages ended up.

Sportsman means you can ride it even if you've raced pro outdoor motocross and got 21st. Means you coulda raced supercross and finished 10th in a heat or 5th in an lcq. I just made it a goal in the years I've tried to beat some of the ex card holding pros who qualified for national mains. I was happy to accomplish that, even tho I can't seem to make it to the ranch. "Sportsman" is very flawed in any age group.

I mean, paul peribinos or however you spell it.. not to take away, because I hear he's a great dude, but the average joe working 50 hours a week outside the moto industry barely stands a chance at the ranch let alone producing a decent result. Paul whoops up on these fast up n coming kids like the seasoned vet that he is, and it's very impressive. Look forward to lining up with him but I know full well he'll smoke me lol..



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Meister 3/18/2021 9:47am
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This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level.

At national level

Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card.
25, 30, 40, 50 - never held a pro card. Takes

This would definitely give the real amateur a better opportunity to race an AMATEUR national.
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Johnny Depp 3/18/2021 10:02am
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Full Gate Moto

Proposal:
A/B
C
D
Big wheel mini
Small wheel mini

That is all.
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sesker15 3/18/2021 10:10am
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Meister wrote:
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level. At national level Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card. 25, 30...
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level.

At national level

Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card.
25, 30, 40, 50 - never held a pro card. Takes

This would definitely give the real amateur a better opportunity to race an AMATEUR national.
I think you would get full gates at the national Level with those classes. Maybe more Vets would come out to race knowing they might have a chance at loretts. More money for mxsports lol.
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mattyhamz2 3/18/2021 10:13am
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Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2...
Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2 stroke world champs in October. On the plus side, I was able to get my 98 YZ buttoned up and the RMZ is staying at 10 hours Laughing
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Nice on the YZ!! So coming out to 2 stroke? I raced the 6 hour on a YZ250. But it was too stiff/harsh for me and...
Nice on the YZ!! So coming out to 2 stroke? I raced the 6 hour on a YZ250. But it was too stiff/harsh for me and was down right scary 5th gear on the fast sections!! But still a fun day!!

Racing REM sat and doing trials on sunday in Lucerne Valley!
That was originally the plan, but not being able to ride at all had me second guessing the decision to race so I made the decision to skip it this year. I'll make sure I'm prepared for next year.

Did you race on the one Brian had at his shop? That bike looked really good! I could imagine that would be scary though!
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Meister 3/18/2021 10:27am
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Meister wrote:
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level. At national level Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card. 25, 30...
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level.

At national level

Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card.
25, 30, 40, 50 - never held a pro card. Takes

This would definitely give the real amateur a better opportunity to race an AMATEUR national.
sesker15 wrote:
I think you would get full gates at the national Level with those classes. Maybe more Vets would come out to race knowing they might have...
I think you would get full gates at the national Level with those classes. Maybe more Vets would come out to race knowing they might have a chance at loretts. More money for mxsports lol.
You would think.

Where ya at DC? The great restructure of 2022! I'll even find you a neon sign to announce it! Lol
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mattyhamz2 3/18/2021 10:27am
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Meister wrote:
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level. At national level Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card. 25, 30...
This could be a way to eliminate some classes on a local level.

At national level

Vet Pro 25+ - held a pro card.
25, 30, 40, 50 - never held a pro card. Takes

This would definitely give the real amateur a better opportunity to race an AMATEUR national.
sesker15 wrote:
I think you would get full gates at the national Level with those classes. Maybe more Vets would come out to race knowing they might have...
I think you would get full gates at the national Level with those classes. Maybe more Vets would come out to race knowing they might have a chance at loretts. More money for mxsports lol.
I guarantee more vets would show up to race if they knew they had a chance. I wouldn't bother even going to a Loretta area qualifier because I know I have zero chance of ever making it to the ranch. My chances of making it to a regional are probably slim to none in the 25+ and 30+ classes. There are a lot of fast dudes in So Cal that ride those classes and I have no business being in the same class as them. I'm sure there are a lot of guys that feel that way as well.
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2...
Money and time. I haven't ridden since New Years and even that was a small trail ride. Moto-wise, haven't ridden a track or raced since 2 stroke world champs in October. On the plus side, I was able to get my 98 YZ buttoned up and the RMZ is staying at 10 hours Laughing
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Nice on the YZ!! So coming out to 2 stroke? I raced the 6 hour on a YZ250. But it was too stiff/harsh for me and...
Nice on the YZ!! So coming out to 2 stroke? I raced the 6 hour on a YZ250. But it was too stiff/harsh for me and was down right scary 5th gear on the fast sections!! But still a fun day!!

Racing REM sat and doing trials on sunday in Lucerne Valley!
mattyhamz2 wrote:
That was originally the plan, but not being able to ride at all had me second guessing the decision to race so I made the decision...
That was originally the plan, but not being able to ride at all had me second guessing the decision to race so I made the decision to skip it this year. I'll make sure I'm prepared for next year.

Did you race on the one Brian had at his shop? That bike looked really good! I could imagine that would be scary though!
Not sure which bike he had at the shop. It was Anthony SuperJocks bike #142. It ran great, no issues, I just did not gel with the suspension. But I still had a faster lap than Brian so that is all that really matters hahaha But serious Brian rode great and was fast.
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Vet Classes should be A/B only. A for fast guys, B for not fast guys. If not a lot of entries, combine them with a staggered start, letting A go first.
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Sierra / Bay OTHG schedule from 2 weeks ago at the Oatfield!

Over the last 2 years we've seen an increase in our 30 age group participation from beginners to our 30 master class.
In fact the demographics based on Sierra membership is that the 30somethings now make up our largest age group! The 52 and 58's are the 2nd and 3rd largest racing groups followed by the 45's.

The positive feed back is how we place riders in a class based on observations motos then either advance skill levels or drop down in skill level. Obviously rider safety is very important by have the rider placed in an appropriate class to race in.

The "sandbagging" is what we strive to eliminate. Race directors having the ability to advance riders when needed to keep the classes more evenly matched.

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Johnny Depp 3/18/2021 10:48am
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Ultimately, classes are just a handicap system. If you are running the same lap speeds approximately as others in your class, there is no need for any more handicapping based on bike size or age. Lap times is lap times.
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Graybeard 3/18/2021 11:16am
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Maybe OP is referring to the Moto Masters series here in TX? That’s a series where the youngest class is 25+, no mini classes. Class structure serves two purposes-1) you can ride in more than one class against similar skilled and aged riders, and 2) and just as important, the multiple classes means more entry fees for the promoter, who is knowingly limiting his gate to jus people over 25. If you just have a few classes, yes, you can have longer motos, but the promoter/ track owner loses out on entry fees. They have to make money, too.

I don’t see that same breakout on a normal race day, just the 25 / 30 / 40 / 50 breakouts, but reach track may be different.
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