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RalphS 2/20/2021 7:33pm
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They already got a podium this year and they will do it again, all his 3 riders are podium capable at any round.
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig.
Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really enjoy something .......slimmer and more agile, less fat.
So I now ride a YZ125.
Early KX450s were better handling bikes for me, more so than modern YZFs.
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shortshift5 2/20/2021 7:44pm
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RalphS wrote:
They already got a podium this year and they will do it again, all his 3 riders are podium capable at any round.
DF is capable talent wise if he can get a start. Plessinger is in his third year and hasn’t even sniffed a podium. Mookie isn’t there just yet but has been damn good. Consistently best guy on blue. Reality is it takes a strong guy to make that bike consistently work.
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shortshift5 wrote:
Problem is even if they can somehow ride that fat pig in qualifying they cannot get a start. It’s been well documented when they add power...
Problem is even if they can somehow ride that fat pig in qualifying they cannot get a start. It’s been well documented when they add power it handles awful. So to make it rideable they tune it down and get shitty starts. Awesome machine they have there. Everyone should have one.
Dude they should hire you!!!
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
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You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig. Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really...
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig.
Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really enjoy something .......slimmer and more agile, less fat.
So I now ride a YZ125.
Early KX450s were better handling bikes for me, more so than modern YZFs.
Yeah, no. First, the stock bike is amazing. Second, the Star Yamaha is very different from your “big fucking pig”. Don’t try and legitimize your opinion.
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Big pig.
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Actual footage of “Tuesday at the test track”.
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From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”.
Just a bad day or..?
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mx691 wrote:
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”...
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”.
Just a bad day or..?
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block.

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fullysicmate 2/22/2021 1:29am
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
CG118 wrote:
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig. Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really...
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig.
Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really enjoy something .......slimmer and more agile, less fat.
So I now ride a YZ125.
Early KX450s were better handling bikes for me, more so than modern YZFs.
I have always thought all bikes were so close that it was a matter of pick you colour and you will be as fast on any brand, since I was 10yo I was happy to argue that. I had a yz450 and yep it’s a pig, it changed my mind. I rode a ktm450 for half an hour and it felt like a UFO.....very strange. Then I checked my lap times and I was substantially quicker despite being uncomfortable....so I bought one and have made it suit me. The extra confidence it has given me has wound the clock back 10 years for me.....everyone needs to find the bike that suits them, they are not all the same.
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FGR01 wrote:
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there...
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
Have you any evidence that it is not the preparation of the 450?
The 250 is practically identical. There has been a lot of criticism leveled at the US factory team.
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SilverSpurs 2/22/2021 1:55am
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
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You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig. Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really...
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig.
Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really enjoy something .......slimmer and more agile, less fat.
So I now ride a YZ125.
Early KX450s were better handling bikes for me, more so than modern YZFs.
fullysicmate wrote:
I have always thought all bikes were so close that it was a matter of pick you colour and you will be as fast on any...
I have always thought all bikes were so close that it was a matter of pick you colour and you will be as fast on any brand, since I was 10yo I was happy to argue that. I had a yz450 and yep it’s a pig, it changed my mind. I rode a ktm450 for half an hour and it felt like a UFO.....very strange. Then I checked my lap times and I was substantially quicker despite being uncomfortable....so I bought one and have made it suit me. The extra confidence it has given me has wound the clock back 10 years for me.....everyone needs to find the bike that suits them, they are not all the same.
Can you prove all that?
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fullysicmate 2/22/2021 1:58am
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CG118 wrote:
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig. Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really...
You can’t say that about the bike unless you owned one. I did. It’s a big fucking pig.
Tested YZ250Fs as well. Comfy, but I really enjoy something .......slimmer and more agile, less fat.
So I now ride a YZ125.
Early KX450s were better handling bikes for me, more so than modern YZFs.
fullysicmate wrote:
I have always thought all bikes were so close that it was a matter of pick you colour and you will be as fast on any...
I have always thought all bikes were so close that it was a matter of pick you colour and you will be as fast on any brand, since I was 10yo I was happy to argue that. I had a yz450 and yep it’s a pig, it changed my mind. I rode a ktm450 for half an hour and it felt like a UFO.....very strange. Then I checked my lap times and I was substantially quicker despite being uncomfortable....so I bought one and have made it suit me. The extra confidence it has given me has wound the clock back 10 years for me.....everyone needs to find the bike that suits them, they are not all the same.
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Can you prove all that?
No and I don’t feel I need to, that’s just my experience so I have shared it, feel free to take it or leave it.
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sandtrack315 2/22/2021 2:16am
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Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season. The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for...
Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season.

The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for him, in supercross, on that team.
Anyone want to rehash this after Barcias ride this weekend?

RC and Emig agreed on their podcast Friday he looks much better on the Gas Gas. JT said the same thing.

Look, I’ve owned over 20 YZ250F/450Fs, they are great bikes, but Barcia is just faster this season.
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SilverSpurs 2/22/2021 4:15am
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People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad? Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that...
People using JS as an example to show the YZ450 is not that bad?

Ummmm, didn't he literally break his contract mid-year to get off that bike and get on the Suzuki? Laughing
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And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs? This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of...
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs?

This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of the bike.
FGR01 wrote:
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there...
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
So, what is the nature of the problem tied to the reverse head layout? Be specific.


The 250 is identical remember and the best in class; the best of them are not far behind the 450's power wise.
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Johnny Ringo 2/22/2021 5:43am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season. The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for...
Yeah y’all are delusional if you don’t see Barcia as faster this season.

The Yamaha is a great bike. It just didn’t work as well for him, in supercross, on that team.
sandtrack315 wrote:
Anyone want to rehash this after Barcias ride this weekend? RC and Emig agreed on their podcast Friday he looks much better on the Gas Gas...
Anyone want to rehash this after Barcias ride this weekend?

RC and Emig agreed on their podcast Friday he looks much better on the Gas Gas. JT said the same thing.

Look, I’ve owned over 20 YZ250F/450Fs, they are great bikes, but Barcia is just faster this season.
His results have been largely the same. He does look good though
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shortshift5 2/22/2021 5:46am
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Flatliner wrote:
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs? This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of...
And how much of that was mutual with Gibbs?

This was almost a decade ago. It literally has nothing to do with the current state of the bike.
FGR01 wrote:
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there...
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
SilverSpurs wrote:
So, what is the nature of the problem tied to the reverse head layout? Be specific. The 250 is identical remember and the best in class...
So, what is the nature of the problem tied to the reverse head layout? Be specific.


The 250 is identical remember and the best in class; the best of them are not far behind the 450's power wise.
Extra weight of the 450 engine being tilted back causes a light front end. Not enough weight on the front. In stock form it’s a minor problem but when they put super stiff forks on them for supercross the characteristic magnifies. That plus trucking around an extra 15-20lbs and a hard hitting engine on a tight course and it’s no wonder they struggle.
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shortshift5 wrote:
Extra weight of the 450 engine being tilted back causes a light front end. Not enough weight on the front. In stock form it’s a minor...
Extra weight of the 450 engine being tilted back causes a light front end. Not enough weight on the front. In stock form it’s a minor problem but when they put super stiff forks on them for supercross the characteristic magnifies. That plus trucking around an extra 15-20lbs and a hard hitting engine on a tight course and it’s no wonder they struggle.
Any proof to what you are claiming? Your weights are way off to start with. The AMA limit is 220 lbs. A bone stock Yamaha is 237-238 lbs weighed the way the AMA weighs them with a dry tank. They said they knocked 8 lbs off from last years factory bike so if this is correct in what they are claiming, my best guess they would be 225-228 lbs. Have you seen the weight bias on a scale where they weighed the front and rear wheel separate? Maybe the bottom end is a little more forward than others. You are just blowing smoke.
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Skerby 2/22/2021 7:58am
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How does eveyone feel about the fact that JS7 switched to Suzuki? The suzuki is the second most(or possibly the most) hated on bike by the Vital brain trust, after the Yamaha.

Yamaha isn't ruining SX; this community IS
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mx691 wrote:
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”...
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”.
Just a bad day or..?
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Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/22/479863/s1200_Screenshot_20210222_033858_Chrome.jpg[/img]
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block.

He was the fastest guy on the track after he pitted.
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mx691 wrote:
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”...
From the Orlando 2 review on Pulp, Ferrandis was reported being really pissed about something, beating on the bike, after race went through pits at ”65mph”.
Just a bad day or..?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/22/479863/s1200_Screenshot_20210222_033858_Chrome.jpg[/img]
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block.

JBlain619 wrote:
He was the fastest guy on the track after he pitted.
Has the speed. Just needs a better start and a little bit of luck.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/02/22/479863/s1200_Screenshot_20210222_033858_Chrome.jpg[/img]
Had to pit for a shifter issue after hitting a tuff block.

JBlain619 wrote:
He was the fastest guy on the track after he pitted.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Has the speed. Just needs a better start and a little bit of luck.
For sure! He is really flying right now. Feel like bringing him a 4 leaf clover to Daytona! HA!
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Dirty Points 2/22/2021 8:30am
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JBlain619 wrote:
He was the fastest guy on the track after he pitted.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
Has the speed. Just needs a better start and a little bit of luck.
JBlain619 wrote:
For sure! He is really flying right now. Feel like bringing him a 4 leaf clover to Daytona! HA!
He was a mediocre starter in 250s, but was able to consistently salvage races with raw speed. I don't see that working in 450s.
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FGR01 wrote:
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there...
My opinion, it is completely relevant. The "issue" with the YZ450 is inherent to the reverse engine layout and has remained constant since 2010. Yes, there have been changes to the bike since then that have reduced the problem but the basic character that is tied to that engine layout has remained unchanged.
SilverSpurs wrote:
So, what is the nature of the problem tied to the reverse head layout? Be specific. The 250 is identical remember and the best in class...
So, what is the nature of the problem tied to the reverse head layout? Be specific.


The 250 is identical remember and the best in class; the best of them are not far behind the 450's power wise.
shortshift5 wrote:
Extra weight of the 450 engine being tilted back causes a light front end. Not enough weight on the front. In stock form it’s a minor...
Extra weight of the 450 engine being tilted back causes a light front end. Not enough weight on the front. In stock form it’s a minor problem but when they put super stiff forks on them for supercross the characteristic magnifies. That plus trucking around an extra 15-20lbs and a hard hitting engine on a tight course and it’s no wonder they struggle.
Did you just dig up an article on the 2010?
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Miezie666 2/22/2021 9:32am
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the team yamaha yz450 effort wasnt very succesfull over the years
star racing yamaha has just started their 450 program
AP looks lot better than last year!
DF had a crash in the off season preparing for supercross- and still some good results on a bike he didnt now very well
Mookie is doing great so far
i m sure the yamaha 450 is a bitt off the other bikes- yeah- its not a ktgasqvarna- everyone is complaining about ktm is buying all manufatures and everything is more ore less the same... i m happy they do it their way and beeing different!

in my opinoin star racing has started to learn how different the bike acts compared to the 250 and they will develop a setting wich will work- they just cant do what team yamaha hasnt achieved in years just in a few weeks- but i m very confident they will get this bike right!
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Thisusernameisavailable 3/6/2021 11:08pm
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
Worth bringing this back to the top.

That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie.

How did the elite talent Ferrandis fare? I can't believe people still blame the Yamaha..
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Bluepig podiums Daytona, something must be wrong with the competition .. rIgHt dUh?
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
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Worth bringing this back to the top. That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie. How...
Worth bringing this back to the top.

That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie.

How did the elite talent Ferrandis fare? I can't believe people still blame the Yamaha..
I’m blucru but am skeptical of the bikes supercross abilities. But to be fair tonight wasn’t exactly a typical supercross race. Hence why I think they they found it easier to do well tonight.
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Worth bringing this back to the top. That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie. How...
Worth bringing this back to the top.

That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie.

How did the elite talent Ferrandis fare? I can't believe people still blame the Yamaha..
tobz wrote:
I’m blucru but am skeptical of the bikes supercross abilities. But to be fair tonight wasn’t exactly a typical supercross race. Hence why I think they...
I’m blucru but am skeptical of the bikes supercross abilities. But to be fair tonight wasn’t exactly a typical supercross race. Hence why I think they they found it easier to do well tonight.
Knew this comment was coming LOL
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shortshift5 wrote:
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t...
Can we all acknowledge the bike is not on par for supercross? How many careers need to be sacrificed? Ferrandis is an elite talent and can’t do anything. Plessinger is finally able to be mediocre after 3 years, barcia looks like he’s riding a 85 compared to the heavy blue pig, and web of went from bust to champion. I can’t believe people still defend the Yamaha.
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Worth bringing this back to the top. That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie. How...
Worth bringing this back to the top.

That Elite talent of Plessinger was seriously hampered by the heavy blue pig tonight. Not to mention Mookie.

How did the elite talent Ferrandis fare? I can't believe people still blame the Yamaha..
Soft track with traction, Plessinger long legs. That's what made the difference. If you could not see that during the race, something is wrong 😄

Plessinger will be back around 7-10 next week and the rest of the season.
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