my son just moved to South Carolina, thinking about joining him

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Late to this thread but wife and I moved from Wisconsin to the Greenville area end of last year. Moto scene is awesome, winter has been nice (for us). Nothing, from our experience is less expensive from where we came from except rural housing, utilities and property taxes. The pay rates for service, retail, manufacturing jobs/careers compared to the Midwest is laughable so there will be financial sacrifices for the average person without serious marketable skills.

One of the biggest disappointments has been the amount of trash people throw out of their cars onto the roadsides... Outright embarrassing 😠
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2/18/2021 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 2/21/2021 4:01pm
The South is a different place. Coming from anywhere in the west could be culture shock. There is zero public riding areas and no consistent racing. Some places are great, others are a desert. It's really hot and humid in the summer and can be very wet and cold in winters, although not Idaho cold. Cost of living is generally cheap but there are places where its catching up to the rest of the country. Public schools are not very good and violent crime where its bad is really bad. Food is pretty awesome everywhere in the south but not very healthy, its apparent to when you see the general population. Trying to find healthy food in small towns is non existent. Outside of the people you meet riding, and that's usually a small group in any single area, most of what you find are guys that like golf and hunting. Someone mentioned trash and that's pretty accurate.
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Moved to Charlotte area from MD almost 20 years ago and built a new house in York SC in 2007. Low low property taxes. Low low housing prices.
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The South is a different place. Coming from anywhere in the west could be culture shock. There is zero public riding areas and no consistent racing...
The South is a different place. Coming from anywhere in the west could be culture shock. There is zero public riding areas and no consistent racing. Some places are great, others are a desert. It's really hot and humid in the summer and can be very wet and cold in winters, although not Idaho cold. Cost of living is generally cheap but there are places where its catching up to the rest of the country. Public schools are not very good and violent crime where its bad is really bad. Food is pretty awesome everywhere in the south but not very healthy, its apparent to when you see the general population. Trying to find healthy food in small towns is non existent. Outside of the people you meet riding, and that's usually a small group in any single area, most of what you find are guys that like golf and hunting. Someone mentioned trash and that's pretty accurate.
These are all valid points. Racing is very hit or miss in upstate South Carolina. The races never have killer entries that really pump me up to go out and I race. I’ve found that practicing moto and racing woods is your best bet around here to scratch the racing itch while getting ample seat time and competition. I ride year round. Of course there are some muddy and cold days but I never rode when it’s less than 30-35 degrees. Mud is really just part of it in the upstate during the winter but sand is only 2-3 hours away from me so me and a few other people will go down to a track like gtr or manchester ohv when it’s gets muddy up here.

The Public schools are hit or miss like most things, but you gotta do your research. I live in the upstate, so I guess I don’t see the bad public schools as much as some of the poorer counties in the lower part of the state. For the most part though all of the Anderson county schools are good. And most of them offer a career and technology center as well.

The food thing is spot on. Harder to eat healthy around here for sure. People really just don’t give a rip. there are quite a few “flea markets” around me but we call them jockey lots and there are always people there selling fresh and what I assume is seasonal produce, but I could be wrong. And with deer hunting you could live on off of deer meat which is some of the leanest stuff and out there and way better for you. There is a local butcher down the road as well that sells local grass fed beef. So it’s hard to eat healthy but there are some good options. Including growing your own vegetables.
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One complaint ... coming from MD that has great steamed seafood down here they deep fry all seafood.
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bh wrote:
These are all valid points. Racing is very hit or miss in upstate South Carolina. The races never have killer entries that really pump me up...
These are all valid points. Racing is very hit or miss in upstate South Carolina. The races never have killer entries that really pump me up to go out and I race. I’ve found that practicing moto and racing woods is your best bet around here to scratch the racing itch while getting ample seat time and competition. I ride year round. Of course there are some muddy and cold days but I never rode when it’s less than 30-35 degrees. Mud is really just part of it in the upstate during the winter but sand is only 2-3 hours away from me so me and a few other people will go down to a track like gtr or manchester ohv when it’s gets muddy up here.

The Public schools are hit or miss like most things, but you gotta do your research. I live in the upstate, so I guess I don’t see the bad public schools as much as some of the poorer counties in the lower part of the state. For the most part though all of the Anderson county schools are good. And most of them offer a career and technology center as well.

The food thing is spot on. Harder to eat healthy around here for sure. People really just don’t give a rip. there are quite a few “flea markets” around me but we call them jockey lots and there are always people there selling fresh and what I assume is seasonal produce, but I could be wrong. And with deer hunting you could live on off of deer meat which is some of the leanest stuff and out there and way better for you. There is a local butcher down the road as well that sells local grass fed beef. So it’s hard to eat healthy but there are some good options. Including growing your own vegetables.
I have to say that area of east TN, western NC, north GA and up state SC is as close to a western lifestyle as anywhere in the south. MTB trials, whitewater kayaking and other outdoor activities are plentiful there. If I moved anywhere else in the south it would be Chattanooga. Asheville cost of living has gotten out of hand. Could also include NE Alabama in that group.
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I have to say that area of east TN, western NC, north GA and up state SC is as close to a western lifestyle as anywhere...
I have to say that area of east TN, western NC, north GA and up state SC is as close to a western lifestyle as anywhere in the south. MTB trials, whitewater kayaking and other outdoor activities are plentiful there. If I moved anywhere else in the south it would be Chattanooga. Asheville cost of living has gotten out of hand. Could also include NE Alabama in that group.
agreed.

we've lived in asheville for 10 years, moving here from orange county CA

cost of living has gotten nuts here, no way we would have transferred here at current time.
there is zero moto in western NC. all tracks are about 1.5+ hrs from us. lotta driving. environmentalist are very aggressive in WNC, that's where most of the tracks went.

upstate SC is much like described, lots of decent tracks, not much in regards to racing. i grew up racing TX moto scene, which then and still now has much much more developed moto series.

we've gotten much more into offroad since relocating here, most of the GNCC races are within a 5-7hr radius of us. woods racing is much more consistent than moto here.
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Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They have pretty much ruined the place.
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Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They...
Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They have pretty much ruined the place.
Imagine staking claim to a specific area because you spent most of your life in the same place. Dude, we are all humans on a big rock, floating through space. Quit being a dick and welcome a fellow moto brother.
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katooom wrote:
Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They...
Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They have pretty much ruined the place.
I’m reading all the comments, thanks to all for replying, even that guy,
Going there first week in April to look for a house
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I’m reading all the comments, thanks to all for replying, even that guy,
Going there first week in April to look for a house
Upstate or Chapin area?
2/22/2021 7:07pm
SC is a decent st, it’s rual a lot of woods, drivers are curtious not as dangerous as NC or other states. Big difference between the 2. The way locals drive in there state, says a lot about the area. SC is very laid back. I worked construction there also and 43 other states. In nice weather I rarely see a dirt bike in a pu. Most dirt bikes being transported would be in Wi. And IL., may not be the latest greatest bikes. But by far more bikes, than any other state.
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I’m reading all the comments, thanks to all for replying, even that guy,
Going there first week in April to look for a house
Catch up on your college football acumen. You don’t have to like college football and live in the south but you will be a social outcast. The phrase “he’s not from around here” will be used often.
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Well, the Clemson Tigers colors are KTM orange, that's good enough for me...

The califorian's have invaded idaho over the last 2 years. The way of life here is not what it used to be. They have driven up the housing prices to crazy high's and just behave badly in general. Most of the family is still in GA so it would be good to be closer, as my mom is getting on in age. Being able to ride year round is very appealing, beats shoveling snow for 8 months... Guess I better sell the snowbike. Now just need to find a place outside of greenville . A few of my GNCC buddies have places in Travelers rest, we will see...
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JT Moto wrote:
Imagine staking claim to a specific area because you spent most of your life in the same place. Dude, we are all humans on a big...
Imagine staking claim to a specific area because you spent most of your life in the same place. Dude, we are all humans on a big rock, floating through space. Quit being a dick and welcome a fellow moto brother.
I'm freakin out bro!
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katooom wrote:
Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They...
Hate to be that guy, born/live in upstate SC. Stay away. Too many people (mostly yankees) moving here already. Inflated prices, traffic, land use issues, They have pretty much ruined the place.
This guy is not lying.

I build houses for a living and you wouldn’t believe the kind of shit I see from the “neighbors”

There was never trash on the side of the road when I was a kid, never.

Nobody ever gave a fuck if my truck was parked in front of my property.

You can’t start a homeowners association when the neighborhood only has 2 building lots left.

Live and let live.
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Just to be clear, not that I'm bitter about hearing about "All the Californians that move here and ruin the place" Everyone that moves from someplace else to here, (Ca.) is an asshole too. Maybe it's more of a "People as a whole thing" and not just a "Californian thing" ? There's no escape !
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Just to be clear, not that I'm bitter about hearing about "All the Californians that move here and ruin the place" Everyone that moves from someplace...
Just to be clear, not that I'm bitter about hearing about "All the Californians that move here and ruin the place" Everyone that moves from someplace else to here, (Ca.) is an asshole too. Maybe it's more of a "People as a whole thing" and not just a "Californian thing" ? There's no escape !
Sorry didn't mean to single out the CA's .. the folks from Seattle and Portland are just as bad...
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So now when people move into your neighborhood and the property values increase, its a bad thing?

Seriously, is this where we are now?
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No, it's the total lack of respect that they have for others. It doesn't matter where they came from. When they decide to party EVERY weekend till 2am and swear at you to get off their property when you politely ask them to tone it down?
I put up with them for a year and then moved to a smaller area. Which is now infested with the same attitude.

I was brought up to respect other's and their property. Someone asked me which state I was thinking of heading to, I replied I was considering another planet! Besides , after being here for 25 years, I'm done with the 300+ inches of snow every winter... Braaap.
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sumdood wrote:
Just to be clear, not that I'm bitter about hearing about "All the Californians that move here and ruin the place" Everyone that moves from someplace...
Just to be clear, not that I'm bitter about hearing about "All the Californians that move here and ruin the place" Everyone that moves from someplace else to here, (Ca.) is an asshole too. Maybe it's more of a "People as a whole thing" and not just a "Californian thing" ? There's no escape !
Right and the kind folks from SC don’t want the ones from Idaho. Oh New Yorkers
going to Florida. And yes OR and WA have been looking great😂
Idiots are everywhere now. We can’t run from our problems and hand it all away. Just think of how cool Portland use to be...
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HA - I live in Chapin!! We moved here about a year and a half ago, we were living in Washington state after I retired from...
HA - I live in Chapin!! We moved here about a year and a half ago, we were living in Washington state after I retired from the military. Cost of living is substantially cheaper here than west coast - our house is bigger and nicer than what we sold in Tacoma and cost roughly half of what we sold that house for. Gas is about $2/gallon right now,

At last count we have 18 operational tracks in this state. From Chapin I have 8 tracks within 1.5 hours, 4-5 under an hour. Year round riding at most of those, but of course in the winter you bundle up, coldest months are usually 30s AM and 40s or low 50s PM. Practice fees are $20-30 depending on where you go.

As BH said, the race scene is fragmented in this state. Lots of little series doing their own thing. But if you want bigger races the Ultra and Mega series also hit this state from time to time, or you can road trip to those rounds. I actually just put out a feeler on the SC Motocross facebook page about trying to make a very limited (4-5 race) vet tour that would overlay on existing series. Something that people could hit, see different tracks, and have fun without committing to a 12 races series or race the same track over and over. I will say the +40 scene here (for racing) isn't huge. It seems like most of the guys that stick with it are pretty serious, not as many casual racers C/D vets as I saw in Washington. But lots of them come out to practices, that's why I was thinking about that kind of series.

I am originally from Virginia, so this feels very much like home to me. Different pace of life here than out West, but I like it. We also very much enjoy Lake Murray, that's what actually drew us here, but the moto has been pretty freaking great. Check out my Youtube if you like (it is under my name), I've got a playlist for SC MX tracks, I'm hoping to get to most of them this season.

Some cons - you won't make as much money here, but again, expenses are lower too. The winters aren't freezing but they also aren't California. Summers are hot and humid for sure, that's when you go to the lake! And speaking of Florida, it's accessible for winter road trips so that is nice. I got to race Daytona Vintage SX last year, so that was cool. Hope this helps!!
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10/26/2021 10:10am Edited Date/Time 10/26/2021 10:11am
RCN4HIM wrote:
Late to this thread but wife and I moved from Wisconsin to the Greenville area end of last year. Moto scene is awesome, winter has been...
Late to this thread but wife and I moved from Wisconsin to the Greenville area end of last year. Moto scene is awesome, winter has been nice (for us). Nothing, from our experience is less expensive from where we came from except rural housing, utilities and property taxes. The pay rates for service, retail, manufacturing jobs/careers compared to the Midwest is laughable so there will be financial sacrifices for the average person without serious marketable skills.

One of the biggest disappointments has been the amount of trash people throw out of their cars onto the roadsides... Outright embarrassing 😠
This thread lives!

I concur on the trash thrown everywhere. Sadly, southern culture is just a tad different than other regions.

"Granddaddy pawpaw threw his trash out the window. Daddy throws his trash out the window, and by god, I throw my trash out the window. It is my god given right!!!"- every one of my country neighbors in NC
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RCN4HIM wrote:
Late to this thread but wife and I moved from Wisconsin to the Greenville area end of last year. Moto scene is awesome, winter has been...
Late to this thread but wife and I moved from Wisconsin to the Greenville area end of last year. Moto scene is awesome, winter has been nice (for us). Nothing, from our experience is less expensive from where we came from except rural housing, utilities and property taxes. The pay rates for service, retail, manufacturing jobs/careers compared to the Midwest is laughable so there will be financial sacrifices for the average person without serious marketable skills.

One of the biggest disappointments has been the amount of trash people throw out of their cars onto the roadsides... Outright embarrassing 😠
user760a wrote:
This thread lives! I concur on the trash thrown everywhere. Sadly, southern culture is just a tad different than other regions. "Granddaddy pawpaw threw his trash...
This thread lives!

I concur on the trash thrown everywhere. Sadly, southern culture is just a tad different than other regions.

"Granddaddy pawpaw threw his trash out the window. Daddy throws his trash out the window, and by god, I throw my trash out the window. It is my god given right!!!"- every one of my country neighbors in NC
That’s not southern culture, that’s white trash.
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That’s not southern culture, that’s white trash.
They're not the same thing? I saw a lot of that mentality in Eastern Texas. 3 generations living off of the grandparents, people's life goals were to get on disability and ride it out. Never traveling more than a hour away from where you live. Spending your entire salary on a full-sized truck with $4,000 rims, then complaining about not being paid enough to pay for fuel. Smoking tobacco like trains, I couldn't have my windows down at stoplights without getting a nicotine high. People were usually very nice though.
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Here is the problem and its all over, some places worse than others.

US population:

1980 - 227 million
2020 - 333 million

Texas Population:

1980 - 14 million
2020 - 29 million

Boise ID population:

1980 - 117k
2020 - 235k

You don't hear much from people in Pittsburgh or Cleveland about skyrocketing housing prices and not wanting Californians moving in.

Pittsburgh metro population:

1980 - 1.8 million
2020 - 1.7 million

Cleveland Metro population:

1980 - 1.7 million
2020 - 1.7 million
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Sandusky26 wrote:
That’s not southern culture, that’s white trash.
Timo wrote:
They're not the same thing? I saw a lot of that mentality in Eastern Texas. 3 generations living off of the grandparents, people's life goals were...
They're not the same thing? I saw a lot of that mentality in Eastern Texas. 3 generations living off of the grandparents, people's life goals were to get on disability and ride it out. Never traveling more than a hour away from where you live. Spending your entire salary on a full-sized truck with $4,000 rims, then complaining about not being paid enough to pay for fuel. Smoking tobacco like trains, I couldn't have my windows down at stoplights without getting a nicotine high. People were usually very nice though.
That’s white trash, they stick together so it seems like everyone is that way. The real southern people are working and minding there own business.

Texas is closer to the border. I’m sorry you had to live there.

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10/26/2021 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 10/26/2021 2:01pm
RMT wrote:
Here is the problem and its all over, some places worse than others. US population: 1980 - 227 million 2020 - 333 million Texas Population: 1980...
Here is the problem and its all over, some places worse than others.

US population:

1980 - 227 million
2020 - 333 million

Texas Population:

1980 - 14 million
2020 - 29 million

Boise ID population:

1980 - 117k
2020 - 235k

You don't hear much from people in Pittsburgh or Cleveland about skyrocketing housing prices and not wanting Californians moving in.

Pittsburgh metro population:

1980 - 1.8 million
2020 - 1.7 million

Cleveland Metro population:

1980 - 1.7 million
2020 - 1.7 million
But we do have the all different colors of trash here as well it’s not a southern thing. . It’s a society thing.
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