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stremme12 1/26/2021 10:55am
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vet323 wrote:
After following all the multiple threads about Saturday's race, I have a question for all of you offended by Wilson holding up Roczen: Do any of...
After following all the multiple threads about Saturday's race, I have a question for all of you offended by Wilson holding up Roczen:

Do any of you think that if the positions had been reversed that Webb would have followed anyone for 1.5 laps?

I watched a couple times, Wilson wasn't "blocking" Roczen in the sense that he was changing lines to hold him up. He was riding his normal line, KR was riding right behind him and made no real attempt to get around or move him out of the way. Can anyone imagine Webb doing that for a lap and a half?
STLSharky wrote:
the blue flag was in the guys hand holding a yellow is what i saw, he was holding him up because he was slower and going...
the blue flag was in the guys hand holding a yellow is what i saw, he was holding him up because he was slower and going down a lap. I think lappers should be pulled.
Before you start pulling lappers I feel like the 40 second lap times need a good looking at first.
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toroP 1/26/2021 10:55am
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ConnorD11 wrote:
You made an account to talk about Kens soft cock and coopers hard one? weird man..
And no update on Wilson’s?
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LKHill 1/26/2021 11:11am
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Webb lapped Wilson? You are clueless.
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davis224 1/26/2021 12:08pm
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That's quite the odd classification system you've got for riders there.
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vet323 1/26/2021 12:10pm
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LKHill wrote:
Webb lapped Wilson? You are clueless.
LKH is absolutely correct. Wilson wasn't lapped.
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gt80rider 1/26/2021 12:16pm
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Webb OWNS K-Roc's head...... has for years..... will continue to do so until K-Roc punts lii deuce into the cheap seats.... I do not see that happening.... thankfully, there are a half dozen in Webb's head, so its all good... LOL
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CPR 1/26/2021 12:33pm
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Neither Roczen or Webb passed Wilson before the checkers.
Wilson had to do another lap, ie. he wasn’t lapped.
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TheNewOriginal 1/26/2021 12:37pm
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LKHill wrote:
I don't think you watched the same race. Webb was catching Kenny so Kenny stayed in the fast line expecting Wilson to do the proper thing...
I don't think you watched the same race. Webb was catching Kenny so Kenny stayed in the fast line expecting Wilson to do the proper thing and yield to the leaders. If he vacated the fast line Webb would have passed him. You clearly have Webb bias syndrome.
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But wouldn't Webb have then been blocked by Wilson who was in the main line?
Hey! Don't be bringing your logic into this discussion.
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rileymx 1/26/2021 12:38pm
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so many though guys here talking shit on roczen atittude.......
i wonder if all of you had your arms like roczen had his, would you have the grits to even ride a ama supercros track, let alone race the best in such a track.....
not understanding that roczen will avoid any kind of contact and is racing in a totally different mind mode these days, is missing the understanding of dirt bike racing all together.....
i bet he still has nightmares with his injuries and the thought of not being able to race and provide for his family ever more.....
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LKHill 1/26/2021 12:49pm
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rileymx wrote:
so many though guys here talking shit on roczen atittude....... i wonder if all of you had your arms like roczen had his, would you have...
so many though guys here talking shit on roczen atittude.......
i wonder if all of you had your arms like roczen had his, would you have the grits to even ride a ama supercros track, let alone race the best in such a track.....
not understanding that roczen will avoid any kind of contact and is racing in a totally different mind mode these days, is missing the understanding of dirt bike racing all together.....
i bet he still has nightmares with his injuries and the thought of not being able to race and provide for his family ever more.....
They don't have the stones to leave Mommies basement.
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sumdood 1/26/2021 1:20pm
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Maybe the blue and red cross flags should coincide with a little burst from a hand held air horn 😂
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We'd have all been entertained if only it had been the 51 in that circumstance rather than 94.
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vet323 1/26/2021 1:39pm
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rileymx wrote:
so many though guys here talking shit on roczen atittude....... i wonder if all of you had your arms like roczen had his, would you have...
so many though guys here talking shit on roczen atittude.......
i wonder if all of you had your arms like roczen had his, would you have the grits to even ride a ama supercros track, let alone race the best in such a track.....
not understanding that roczen will avoid any kind of contact and is racing in a totally different mind mode these days, is missing the understanding of dirt bike racing all together.....
i bet he still has nightmares with his injuries and the thought of not being able to race and provide for his family ever more.....
I've had multiple serious injuries in my racing career and I can absolutely admit that I avoid contact on a racetrack at all times. I can also admit that doing that occasionally prevents me from getting around someone who's slower than I am. I don't expect anyone to pull over for me, though- even if I'm lapping them.
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KurtJ99 1/26/2021 2:02pm
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number six wrote:
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We'd have all been entertained if only it had been the 51 in that circumstance rather than 94.
It would have been short entertainment. Wilson would have been punted immediately. Barcia is no joke on moving forward and getting around people. So much he made a mistake in his heat race and hit a lapper.
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Kelz87 1/26/2021 2:12pm
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LKHill wrote:
I don't think you watched the same race. Webb was catching Kenny so Kenny stayed in the fast line expecting Wilson to do the proper thing...
I don't think you watched the same race. Webb was catching Kenny so Kenny stayed in the fast line expecting Wilson to do the proper thing and yield to the leaders. If he vacated the fast line Webb would have passed him. You clearly have Webb bias syndrome.
LungButter wrote:
But wouldn't Webb have then been blocked by Wilson who was in the main line?
No because Deano would’ve moved over lol
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jchek779 1/26/2021 2:23pm
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KR94 after a main event




Cooper Webb after a main event


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RalphS 1/26/2021 2:28pm
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ConnorD11 wrote:
You made an account to talk about Kens soft cock and coopers hard one? weird man..
Steer clear from that guy
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RalphS 1/26/2021 2:38pm
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Funny how broadcast narrative in 250 main event was that Colt Nichols was in the best position studying Craig's lines etc and ready to pass at the end while in the 450 main the narrative was Roczen needs to have 5 good laps to secure his win and then they blamed Wilson.

I'm not defending Wilson but they're feeling sorry for Roczen, even Webb's wagon founder RC.

I like both but Roczen has to send Webb NFG to the cheap seats or he'll be his bully forever. The '16 Roczen would have won H1 and H3 and I'd say the championship. Today's Roczen not sure, bleeding too early too much and too many sharks around. I'm rooting for him and he has the red plate but isn't alpha dominant and something/someone gets in his way in mid-season.
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deluxeman 1/26/2021 3:12pm
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God, I really want to down vote this but I just can't. I think it is a little over the top but it is more correct than wrong. Ken had Barcia covered at H1 and let the win go. He had the win at H3 and got beat to the line by Webb. Sure, Wilson had an affect on the outcome, but that that is what is commonly known as "Racing". You have to overcome these challenges if you want to win. Ken is a clean rider and it shows, he has had some nasty injuries that would have ended 98% of most riders careers. He most certainly doesn't want anymore injuries, so I am sure he wants to make clean moves on people, that doesn't make him a soft cock, but it seems to be keeping him from winning.

It really does look like Webb has his number in the latter stages of a race though. Webb is an assassin when Ken is in front of him. He has great race craft and seems to find the speed and lines to make up time where nobody else can. He is fun to watch when he is hunting Ken down.

I just hope the action stays at this level for the whole series!!!!

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thisnameistaken 1/26/2021 3:30pm
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I think the last time roczen went to make an aggressive pass on webb has ruined him. Huge roczen fan and even before this race iv thought there is something up with why he wont pass him. I know he passed him the first or second lap this week but other than that time its like webb gets around him and hes fucked. I think he just needs to make that aggressive pass that webb would to him and he will start to win these last lap battles. Unless webb crashes out hes gonna be there at the end and if roczen continues this with webb then hes not gonna beat webb in the championship.
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LKHill 1/26/2021 4:15pm
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All this talk about how Webb owns Kenny is comical. I guess they don't remember who was in the points lead until he got sick and faded late last year.
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ShawdowGlen 1/26/2021 4:48pm
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LKHill wrote:
All this talk about how Webb owns Kenny is comical. I guess they don't remember who was in the points lead until he got sick and...
All this talk about how Webb owns Kenny is comical. I guess they don't remember who was in the points lead until he got sick and faded late last year.
I'm a fan of both. .....but....Coop was sick the 1st 3 rounds...started gaining steam and then had an absolutely horrendous crash. Kens had his own struggles with health and injuries. It's called life.

I'd like to see Ken get a championship under his belt. Wouldn't mind seeing Coop get another too....but he has more time than Ken (younger).
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toroP 1/26/2021 7:24pm
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CPR wrote:
Neither Roczen or Webb passed Wilson before the checkers.
Wilson had to do another lap, ie. he wasn’t lapped.
Rolls Royce is more of a Ford Pinto.
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Crush 1/26/2021 9:47pm
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Interesting that on pods this week both Millsaps and Blair said it was a bit rich Kenny telling Dean to be aware of his surroundings following the red-cross flag deal the week prior.... and then both go on to say if Kenny had have kept his table to table and also followed Dean instead of going wide he's fine.

It's also crazy to think that Kenny, who prior to the last few years seemed to have some of the best race-craft we've seen (Millville 16 opening laps for example) is basically out to dry whenever Cooper is behind. He's literally been zapped like this what, 4 or 5 times in heats and mains? Crazy.
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tjnel 1/26/2021 10:02pm
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I think I need to downvote you for talking about how hard and soft Ken and Coop’s cocks are, but I do think it’s true that Kenny has really gotten pretty tame as far as passing goes. He looks like how Dungey looked prior to training with Aldon. There have been several races recently where Ken is close enough to the rider in front of him coming into a 180 where he could definitely take their line away. He’s electing not to. He either tries to rail around the outside or cut under them, but he doesn’t take their line. It happened several times with Bracia at H1, and it happened I swear for almost every lap of one of the SLC races last year where he was pressuring Webb for first. And he isn’t getting out of the turn in front of those riders without making contact. I think he knows that those riders will win in a situation where they’re banging one another around. I don’t know if it’s the Honda, Ken’s personality on the bike, or his physical characteristics, but he doesn’t seem to be able to make contact and come out on top, or make contact and be the first to get to the next corner.
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CPR 1/26/2021 10:50pm
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There’s no doubt that Roczen is understandably way more conservative since his arm injuries and that Webb currently has a psychological edge over him. But has anybody else noticed the effect Roczen has on Webb?
A couple of times this year, Webb has appeared to not look very racey and be just circulating, then Roczen passes him and he comes to life all of a sudden.
I swear having Roczen in front of him is worth half a second a lap.
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jemcee 1/26/2021 10:55pm
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CPR wrote:
There’s no doubt that Roczen is understandably way more conservative since his arm injuries and that Webb currently has a psychological edge over him. But has...
There’s no doubt that Roczen is understandably way more conservative since his arm injuries and that Webb currently has a psychological edge over him. But has anybody else noticed the effect Roczen has on Webb?
A couple of times this year, Webb has appeared to not look very racey and be just circulating, then Roczen passes him and he comes to life all of a sudden.
I swear having Roczen in front of him is worth half a second a lap.
Haha Yes it seems someone else has noticed

Cooper just needs 'that' carrot
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WCRider 1/26/2021 11:16pm
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Ken's just made his foot came off then he went wide and cooper passed him. That was all his fault. Deano play the good guy because it is what he is but he should stop blame himself too much just because Roczen has a free pass no matter what is doing or saying.
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Ranman68 1/26/2021 11:17pm
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The Gypsy Tales podcast on this incident is pretty interesting. There was a flagger or two who were not waiving their flags vigorously. Additionally, Dean Wilson was in the process of lapping a couple of guys. Bogle and Chisum maybe?? I could be wrong on those being the guys, but apparently Wilson was lapping one or two guys at the same and thought (or could've thought) the blue flags were being waived at them. Either way, on that podcast they closely analyze the footage and point out these things. It's very clear that Wilson had legit reasons to be confused, that there is a lapper problem from hell with 20 minute motos, and that the flagging system in place is not adequate.
And.....that's something they all have to deal with. With that said, i think it was up to Roczen to not let Webb reel him in and up to him to seal the deal no matter what. Had the roles been reversed, Webb would have still won. He wouldn't have been denied. Kenny needs to get some "not gonna be denied" attitude going on and quit crying about these challenges they all face.
I don't remember when exactly it was, but late in the race Webb got messed up by a lapper and lost a lot of ground on Kenny. He just turned it up, overcame it, and caught Kenny anyway. You didnt hear anything about that lapper from Webb, and even if Webb had come up a little short and Roczen won, i feel pretty certain Webb wouldnt have thrown a hissy fit and blamed his loss entirely on that lapper he got help up by while trying to reel Kenny in. They ALL get messed up by lappers. If you let someone like Webb reel your ass in and catch you on the last lap, you put yourself in a position where you are for sure duped if a lapper messes you up. Personally, i think Webb would have gotten Roczen at some point anyway. He's done it plenty of times to Roczen with no lappers in the way.
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