Havoc Pit Bike Takeout!!

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Kyle978 10/28/2020 8:44am
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lostboy819 wrote:
Just go away. Guys like you are what is a "bummer" for the sport. Blush
I loved the group of rejects he had to support him while crying to get those kids DQ’ed. The one dude couldn’t even figure out his phone to show his evidence 😂

Hey DL, your grown ass son got smoked and your whole camp looks really dumb, yet again. How many times have you guys been involved in racing controversies now?

The only guy in boots somehow got his ankle broken by a kid in Vans 🙄
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GrapeApe 10/28/2020 8:51am
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Uh oh, we have some non-beleibers
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Did Leib cut the track really, he got pushed off and re-entered at the next safe spot, if he'd gotten back on at the landing of the table he would have gotten smoked by a wide open Palmer. Bottom line if you break someone's ankle at a fuckin pit bike race you're an asshole. No ifs ands or buts.
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bh84 10/28/2020 9:06am
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Kyle978 wrote:
I loved the group of rejects he had to support him while crying to get those kids DQ’ed. The one dude couldn’t even figure out his...
I loved the group of rejects he had to support him while crying to get those kids DQ’ed. The one dude couldn’t even figure out his phone to show his evidence 😂

Hey DL, your grown ass son got smoked and your whole camp looks really dumb, yet again. How many times have you guys been involved in racing controversies now?

The only guy in boots somehow got his ankle broken by a kid in Vans 🙄
When the kid in Vans goes wide open into the guy in boots' ankle its not hard to believe. Im not sure how the choice of footwear matters when he's driving his front wheel into someone's leg. I'd be fuckin pissed too if someone busted my leg at a pitty race. If he didn't have boots on it would have been a lot worse.
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Rickyisms 10/28/2020 9:22am
10/28/2020 9:22am
If you get pushed off the track and your first move is to look over and click a gear to try and race someone who's still on the track for the position you're in the wrong. Stupid move by Leib.
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Camp332 10/28/2020 9:29am
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The way I'm seeing this, Leib was in the wrong.
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crowe660 10/28/2020 9:37am
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Rickyisms wrote:
If you get pushed off the track and your first move is to look over and click a gear to try and race someone who's still...
If you get pushed off the track and your first move is to look over and click a gear to try and race someone who's still on the track for the position you're in the wrong. Stupid move by Leib.
How anyone can argue that, other than a parent, is beyond me.
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baker_25_ccso 10/28/2020 9:48am
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The way I'm seeing this, Leib was in the wrong.
For sure, He could have easily gotten back on the track before the roller section. Losing time avoiding someone who wrecked is a part of racing, not a free pass to skip the next section while holding it wide open.
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mattyhamz2 10/28/2020 9:49am
10/28/2020 9:49am
Rickyisms wrote:
If you get pushed off the track and your first move is to look over and click a gear to try and race someone who's still...
If you get pushed off the track and your first move is to look over and click a gear to try and race someone who's still on the track for the position you're in the wrong. Stupid move by Leib.
This This This!!! How anyone can argue this is beyond me!
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1) It's not AMA Pro racing so not sure why people keep trying to apply those rules. Appears to be basically unsanctioned outlaw racing. So stop saying there's some rule about him returning to the track,

2) I didn't see the part where he "clicked up a gear".

3) All the people saying "he cut the track he deserved to be taken out". In what world is it the responsibility of the other riders to issue out penalties?

4) If you watch the helmet vid of the takeout goon, you'll see he literally did the exact same thing after he took Leib out. He went off the side of the track and stayed in the gas and basically skipped the jumps on the next straight.

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ti473 10/28/2020 10:10am
10/28/2020 10:10am
"broooo, let's goooo, whoooooo, let's goooooo"

My ears are now bleeding, thanks.
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Kevin852 10/28/2020 10:11am
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FGR01 wrote:
1) It's not AMA Pro racing so not sure why people keep trying to apply those rules. Appears to be basically unsanctioned outlaw racing. So stop...
1) It's not AMA Pro racing so not sure why people keep trying to apply those rules. Appears to be basically unsanctioned outlaw racing. So stop saying there's some rule about him returning to the track,

2) I didn't see the part where he "clicked up a gear".

3) All the people saying "he cut the track he deserved to be taken out". In what world is it the responsibility of the other riders to issue out penalties?

4) If you watch the helmet vid of the takeout goon, you'll see he literally did the exact same thing after he took Leib out. He went off the side of the track and stayed in the gas and basically skipped the jumps on the next straight.

1. It might be outlaw racing but you are still supposed to stay on the track.

2. he actually pulled away from second place from the start of the whoops to the end of the whoops.

3. ML did not deserve to be taken out but had he slowed to re-enter the track he would have been passed before the whoops. ML knew this, hence why he kept on the gas off the track.

4. yes he did go off track, but it was one roller, not jumps. also, he did not gain any track position as a result of going off track.

my take, pretty aggressive move but it is racing (see Osborne/Savatgy as mentioned). I wonder if he did not clean him out if the race director would have DQ'd/docked ML for cutting the track and lost the race anyway?

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Brent 10/28/2020 10:52am
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ti473 wrote:
"broooo, let's goooo, whoooooo, let's goooooo"

My ears are now bleeding, thanks.
...welcome to Lake Elsinore, the Kentucky of Southern California...
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GuyB 10/28/2020 11:18am
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

I usually look at "cutting the track" as taking a shorter route, not a longer one...even if there are some obstacles missed.

A quick brake tap by ML heading into the turn probably would have resulted in watching the rider on the inside going over the berm. I'm not sure he'd have made the corner without Michael there.

The "bro" factor was on par for an Elsinore race.

I give it an 8x. (Only a handful of you will get that joke.)
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ConnorD11 10/28/2020 11:26am
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I'm still shocked there is an option to protest at a pit bike race.. ML saying "tear my bike down and check then" is hilarious. Yet another example of the world going soft!
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RichieW13 10/28/2020 11:57am
10/28/2020 11:57am
Can we get an esquire to help resolve this?
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So the guy ON the track should have slowed to let the guy OFF the track back on in first place? Hell to the no!
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mxjon454 10/28/2020 12:11pm
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DL wrote:
Michael didn’t cut the track. The other Palmer brother crashed before the finish line jump forcing him off the top of the jump and off the...
Michael didn’t cut the track. The other Palmer brother crashed before the finish line jump forcing him off the top of the jump and off the track. He lost about a 20 bike lead. He got back on at the first opening. Michael will post the video tomorrow. Bummer that The take out broke Michael’s leg. And bummer for the Palmers not finishing. The racing was really good. Too bad it ended up that way. Injuries are a big part of the sport but when riders get hurt from an intentional take out it’s unacceptable. Props to Havoc for penalizing Palmer.
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You’re failing to realize that michaels leg was broken before this and that he even told everyone there he was wearing riding boots because of it...
You’re failing to realize that michaels leg was broken before this and that he even told everyone there he was wearing riding boots because of it. Props to Havoc?? As soon as you protested they bent over for you. Yea he got back at the first opening but was also hanging off the back of it wide open down the side of the track and still got cleaned out. You guys are clowns.
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His foot was broken in 2015 and talas navicular fused in 2017. The take out fractured the fib. Totally unrelated. As for the protest where you...
His foot was broken in 2015 and talas navicular fused in 2017. The take out fractured the fib. Totally unrelated. As for the protest where you at the riders meeting? Havoc was very clear that dirty riding would not be tolerated and they would DQ. What planet do you come from to think that a move like that is acceptable in moto or any other sport?
The planet of pitbike racing. That’s how all pitbike races are, full of takeouts. No protests tho lol
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MelonFan123 10/28/2020 12:12pm
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They both got DQ'd, it was the right call in my opinion.
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JM485 10/28/2020 12:30pm
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And in classic vital style we’ve now blown a minor situation way out of proportion, way to go team Pinch
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Rickyisms 10/28/2020 12:40pm
10/28/2020 12:40pm
JM485 wrote:
And in classic vital style we’ve now blown a minor situation way out of proportion, way to go team Pinch
It's the off-season bro, You know how it gets here.
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bh84 10/28/2020 1:24pm
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So the guy ON the track should have slowed to let the guy OFF the track back on in first place? Hell to the no!
No but the guy ON the track probably should have slowed to actually, you know, make the corner. Without Leib there he was going full send off that berm. IDK how anyone sees going wide open into the side of someone's leg as "racing"
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lostboy819 10/28/2020 1:36pm
10/28/2020 1:36pm
GuyB wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but... I usually look at "cutting the track" as taking a shorter route, not a longer one...even if...
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

I usually look at "cutting the track" as taking a shorter route, not a longer one...even if there are some obstacles missed.

A quick brake tap by ML heading into the turn probably would have resulted in watching the rider on the inside going over the berm. I'm not sure he'd have made the corner without Michael there.

The "bro" factor was on par for an Elsinore race.

I give it an 8x. (Only a handful of you will get that joke.)
That being said then ML should have seen it coming and did just that, but he didn't and here we are. Almost as bad as the pits after a sprint car race except they throw punches most times. Blush
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lostboy819 10/28/2020 1:39pm
10/28/2020 1:39pm
ConnorD11 wrote:
I'm still shocked there is an option to protest at a pit bike race.. ML saying "tear my bike down and check then" is hilarious. Yet...
I'm still shocked there is an option to protest at a pit bike race.. ML saying "tear my bike down and check then" is hilarious. Yet another example of the world going soft!
Yep, they pretty much all made fools of themselves. Blush
lostboy819 10/28/2020 1:45pm
10/28/2020 1:45pm
Ok what was the "pitbike" race back in the late 70s where all the top riders would show up on crazy stuff like Tripes with a 250 motor is a mini frame and Glover with small wheels on a big bike and won etc . It was the "day before the night after" or "night after the day before" something like that. Then Jeff Ward shows up and runs away from everyone on his KX80 because he had just moved up to the 125 a year or two before. Also remember Langtown, now that was crazy.Woohoo
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Yeti831 10/28/2020 1:51pm
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Sorry, but he cut track and powered into the corner.

What did they say at the rider meeting about cutting track? Mike Lame is such a priss goon.

Dude earned that win fair and square. The two crybabies need to go back to racing 101 or just kick rocks out of the scene.
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Suicidal_Tendencies 10/28/2020 2:26pm
10/28/2020 2:26pm
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So the guy ON the track should have slowed to let the guy OFF the track back on in first place? Hell to the no!
No, he just should not have intentionally used ML as a berm.
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GrapeApe 10/28/2020 2:48pm
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GuyB wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but... I usually look at "cutting the track" as taking a shorter route, not a longer one...even if...
I don't have a dog in this fight, but...

I usually look at "cutting the track" as taking a shorter route, not a longer one...even if there are some obstacles missed.

A quick brake tap by ML heading into the turn probably would have resulted in watching the rider on the inside going over the berm. I'm not sure he'd have made the corner without Michael there.

The "bro" factor was on par for an Elsinore race.

I give it an 8x. (Only a handful of you will get that joke.)
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GuyB 10/28/2020 2:50pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/02/09/403274/s780_020820sandiegoPB0064.jpg[/img]
That was an amazing day, and an awesome setup. Your point is?
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GrapeApe 10/28/2020 3:46pm
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GuyB wrote:
That was an amazing day, and an awesome setup. Your point is?
No doubt, that had to be really cool to see your logo prominently displayed at a SX round. I was just making a playful jab at "no dog in this fight".
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