Savatgy on red

kyle173 wrote:

Wasn't Josh Hill clubmx?

haydos25 wrote:

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting...

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting its not as good and that they need a "development" rider just to catch them up to where they're at currently?

There's 3 months till the season starts, can they not develop a bike in that time or is it that far off?

Kyle978 wrote:

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine. MCR had...

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine.

MCR had the 20’s pretty damn dialed, 3 months is not much time when you only have 1 rider locked in at the moment.

Gilby122 wrote:

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/20/455209/s1200_7C4A70C8_14CC_4554_9803_A04B99EE1CA5.jpg[/img]

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned.

haydos25 wrote:

Is 3 months enough time when you have 3 riders to test? Or at least 2 as people are saying that Hill is a goer there...

Is 3 months enough time when you have 3 riders to test? Or at least 2 as people are saying that Hill is a goer there again. What about Factory Honda? I assume they're testing also, are they not funnelling down some info at all? If theyre not do you think it may be because MCR aren't actually riding the new product that Honda are trying to sell?

You're right I have no idea. Which is why i'm asking the question. Maybe its a money thing for MCR. They probably have an excess of parts from the last couple of years they want to burn through before moving to the new bike? MCR operate differently to most, which is why these are all questions.

Kyle978 wrote:

Fair enough, innocent question. I apologize if I came off harsh. The reality is they have 3 months to: - Figure out who their riders are...

Fair enough, innocent question. I apologize if I came off harsh.

The reality is they have 3 months to:

- Figure out who their riders are, sign them
-Acquire enough 21 motorcycles for 3 riders to test, practice and race. That could be 5+ motorcycles per rider
1-2 months minimum of riding 3-4 times a week, 10 hour days simply testing. All while working around their training, injuries, off season races etc.
- Order parts for 2021 - many parts can’t be ordered until settings are finalized
- Get parts, continue to test and refine - which means less time the rider can worry about his riding, and more time becoming a mental train wreck because they aren’t test riders and don’t actually know what they want
- Shake down/durability test

All while worrying about big picture things like:

Mechanics/team personnel
Sponsors/budget
Semi truck driver, wrap, parts organization etc
Ordering all new team stuff like shirts awnings etc.
Travel for everyone on team
Photo shoots
Sponsor obligations/meetings

I could keep going, you get the picture. A true factory team has way more people to handle each part of the operation. A team like MCR has a few guys wearing a lot of hats, it makes sense why they would slow their roll a bit.

Johnny Depp wrote:

It took ML512's team 6 days...

Mxracer607 wrote:

Uh oh 17 pager

Johnny Depp wrote:

It took ML512's team 6 days...

Kyle978 wrote:

I’ll let the factory teams know they’ve been taking too long setting up bikes for the last 50 years “Yeah Eli, 6 days and we’re going...

I’ll let the factory teams know they’ve been taking too long setting up bikes for the last 50 years

“Yeah Eli, 6 days and we’re going to have this thing dialed!”

Johnny Depp wrote:

Paging Grant Langston.


Malcolm: I'm looking forward to the new bike and red ECU after finishing top 5 last year, maybe a salary review?

MCR: NO.

haydos25 wrote:

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting...

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting its not as good and that they need a "development" rider just to catch them up to where they're at currently?

There's 3 months till the season starts, can they not develop a bike in that time or is it that far off?

Kyle978 wrote:

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine. MCR had...

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine.

MCR had the 20’s pretty damn dialed, 3 months is not much time when you only have 1 rider locked in at the moment.

MxKing809 wrote:

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time. Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would...

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time.

Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would bet money this decision to keep part of MCR on the 20’s is to showcase that they are still “new” bikes and being marketed and sold as such.

Lastander wrote:

Friese, bloss and savatgy is actually a deadly team thats gonna get a lot of tv coverage but maybe not main event wins. And these three...

Friese, bloss and savatgy is actually a deadly team thats gonna get a lot of tv coverage but maybe not main event wins.

And these three would/will probably outperform Jr hill

haydos25 wrote:

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting...

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting its not as good and that they need a "development" rider just to catch them up to where they're at currently?

There's 3 months till the season starts, can they not develop a bike in that time or is it that far off?

Kyle978 wrote:

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine. MCR had...

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine.

MCR had the 20’s pretty damn dialed, 3 months is not much time when you only have 1 rider locked in at the moment.

MxKing809 wrote:

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time. Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would...

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time.

Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would bet money this decision to keep part of MCR on the 20’s is to showcase that they are still “new” bikes and being marketed and sold as such.

chasetwo79 wrote:

While I admit Justin Hill has set himself up in the past for the hate, he had a solid season last year minus the few end...

While I admit Justin Hill has set himself up in the past for the hate, he had a solid season last year minus the few end rounds and he finished top 10 in the standings. Out of the 9 riders ahead of him in the standings only 1 was a non factory rider (Mookie).

He had a top 5, 2 6th place rides, and 7 top 10 finishes overall.

Maybe Savatgy can do better, maybe, but we know Friese isn’t, and so far Bloss hasn’t.

I’m not saying he couldn’t do better, I’m just asking what else a private support team could ask for? Also one would think MCR would’ve been stoked with 2 riders in the top 10. Shit, 4 of the top 10 were on Honda’s.

Maybe a Bloss (17th) and Friese (14th) do better next year, but who’s to say Hill wouldn’t have improved a position or two in season number 2? He finished 11th as a rookie in SX and 10th in season 2, so who’s to say it doesn’t come together even more this season?

If you wanna bust on Hill for prior effort, cool. But last year was a good season for the team he was on and literally every guy ahead of him besides Mookie is on a factory ride for 2021 plus several who finished behind him in the standings.

Everyone can’t be race winners and if we constantly talk shit on the riders hovering from 7-20 how will the sport grow?

haydos25 wrote:

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting...

That's odd to me. If the 21 is supposed to be better than the 20's then why are the fast guys not on it? Basically admitting its not as good and that they need a "development" rider just to catch them up to where they're at currently?

There's 3 months till the season starts, can they not develop a bike in that time or is it that far off?

Kyle978 wrote:

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine. MCR had...

Clearly you have no idea the insane amounts of man hours involved and twists and turns that arise when developing an entirely new machine.

MCR had the 20’s pretty damn dialed, 3 months is not much time when you only have 1 rider locked in at the moment.

MxKing809 wrote:

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time. Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would...

It’s not about availability or lack of testing time.

Honda is going to manufacture and sell 2020 models in 21 as a cheaper option. I would bet money this decision to keep part of MCR on the 20’s is to showcase that they are still “new” bikes and being marketed and sold as such.

kiwifan wrote:

Pretty sure Mookie has been saying for a while now he wont be on MCR in 2021

kiwifan wrote:

Pretty sure Mookie has been saying for a while now he wont be on MCR in 2021

GuyB wrote:

Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan are going racing with Bubba Wallace next year in an all-new NASCAR team.

What if...?

tek14 wrote:

Are they using GasGas cars?

Gilby122 wrote:

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/20/455209/s1200_7C4A70C8_14CC_4554_9803_A04B99EE1CA5.jpg[/img]

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned.

Payup_199 wrote:

I can see Bloss getting the spot over Joey. Bloss can bring dads business $ and also probably KT tape $. To me they are the...

I can see Bloss getting the spot over Joey. Bloss can bring dads business $ and also probably KT tape $. To me they are the same rider and Bloss is going to be way cheaper and no Ego.

Mr. Afterbar wrote:

They are far from the same rider. A simple look at past results is all that's needed to change that theory. Not sure why everybody loves...

They are far from the same rider. A simple look at past results is all that's needed to change that theory. Not sure why everybody loves to hate Joey, but he's had a very solid career as a frontrunner. Bloss on the other hand has not done much other than a few stand out rides. No disrespect to Benny. He's a great rider.

Lastander wrote:

Friese, bloss and savatgy is actually a deadly team thats gonna get a lot of tv coverage but maybe not main event wins. And these three...

Friese, bloss and savatgy is actually a deadly team thats gonna get a lot of tv coverage but maybe not main event wins.

And these three would/will probably outperform Jr hill

chasetwo79 wrote:

While I admit Justin Hill has set himself up in the past for the hate, he had a solid season last year minus the few end...

While I admit Justin Hill has set himself up in the past for the hate, he had a solid season last year minus the few end rounds and he finished top 10 in the standings. Out of the 9 riders ahead of him in the standings only 1 was a non factory rider (Mookie).

He had a top 5, 2 6th place rides, and 7 top 10 finishes overall.

Maybe Savatgy can do better, maybe, but we know Friese isn’t, and so far Bloss hasn’t.

I’m not saying he couldn’t do better, I’m just asking what else a private support team could ask for? Also one would think MCR would’ve been stoked with 2 riders in the top 10. Shit, 4 of the top 10 were on Honda’s.

Maybe a Bloss (17th) and Friese (14th) do better next year, but who’s to say Hill wouldn’t have improved a position or two in season number 2? He finished 11th as a rookie in SX and 10th in season 2, so who’s to say it doesn’t come together even more this season?

If you wanna bust on Hill for prior effort, cool. But last year was a good season for the team he was on and literally every guy ahead of him besides Mookie is on a factory ride for 2021 plus several who finished behind him in the standings.

Everyone can’t be race winners and if we constantly talk shit on the riders hovering from 7-20 how will the sport grow?

skeef wrote:

Vince Freezer gets another year on the bike to get great starts and become a tuff block the rest of the race.

GuyB wrote:

Um, no. Almost surely Toyotas. The what if was in relation to Jordan and Mookie. What if he had some interest in going Supercross racing? That...

Um, no. Almost surely Toyotas.

The what if was in relation to Jordan and Mookie. What if he had some interest in going Supercross racing? That would be pretty interesting.

Gilby122 wrote:

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/10/20/455209/s1200_7C4A70C8_14CC_4554_9803_A04B99EE1CA5.jpg[/img]

Appears Bloss was there too if it hasn’t been mentioned.

Payup_199 wrote:

I can see Bloss getting the spot over Joey. Bloss can bring dads business $ and also probably KT tape $. To me they are the...

I can see Bloss getting the spot over Joey. Bloss can bring dads business $ and also probably KT tape $. To me they are the same rider and Bloss is going to be way cheaper and no Ego.

GuyB wrote:

Denny Hamlin and Michael Jordan are going racing with Bubba Wallace next year in an all-new NASCAR team.

What if...?

Johnny Depp wrote:

Paging Grant Langston.


Malcolm: I'm looking forward to the new bike and red ECU after finishing top 5 last year, maybe a salary review?

MCR: NO.

Kyle978 wrote:

Oh GL, the guy who changed frames In the middle/end of the season in 07 because he was complaining about the bike all year? And how...

Oh GL, the guy who changed frames In the middle/end of the season in 07 because he was complaining about the bike all year?

And how did they get there? Months of testing, you Delinquent.

cablecable wrote:

People like you (and the 42 morons that liked your comment) are too stupid to understand the value that Vince brings, sponsors want TV time, and...

People like you (and the 42 morons that liked your comment) are too stupid to understand the value that Vince brings, sponsors want TV time, and Vince has bought more than Mookie and Hill put together last year. Its better to holeshot and bump your way back to 12th, than start 17th and finish 12th

sesker15 wrote:

You got my attention. Tell us more.