Ferrandis on a new team, new bike.

jbutton wrote:

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what...

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what he is going to do next year. I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option. Given that I am his agent and I do everything for him I am one of the few people that know everything that has transpired over the past 18 months. Don't speculate with your vision of what was offered by whomever. Dylan had plenty of opportunities and it took months to finally make a decision that could have gone several ways.

Antonioni wrote:

"[i]I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option.[/i]" It seems pretty clear that there...

"I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option."

It seems pretty clear that there was not many 450 "factory seats" available for 2021 ?

For 2022 it will be a whole different story.

Donkey Kong wrote:

I was pretty excited for the YZ450f to get the fair shake that it deserves. We haven't seen many top riders be on one or be...

I was pretty excited for the YZ450f to get the fair shake that it deserves. We haven't seen many top riders be on one or be in contention for a premier class title in a long time.

jbutton wrote:

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what...

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what he is going to do next year. I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option. Given that I am his agent and I do everything for him I am one of the few people that know everything that has transpired over the past 18 months. Don't speculate with your vision of what was offered by whomever. Dylan had plenty of opportunities and it took months to finally make a decision that could have gone several ways.

T-Fish wrote:

Am I the only one that wanted to see him on an Austrian bike of some sort?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

Hold up! Webb had better 250cc credentials when he went to the 450YZF. And he done nothing on it. Webb was a 'Top rider' on a...

Hold up! Webb had better 250cc credentials when he went to the 450YZF. And he done nothing on it. Webb was a 'Top rider' on a 250f and he is a 'Top rider' on a KTM.

jbutton wrote:

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what...

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what he is going to do next year. I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option. Given that I am his agent and I do everything for him I am one of the few people that know everything that has transpired over the past 18 months. Don't speculate with your vision of what was offered by whomever. Dylan had plenty of opportunities and it took months to finally make a decision that could have gone several ways.

MDana87 wrote:

IMO the key for DF & AP in 2021 will be what Yamaha allow and don't allow Star to develop on the 450. That said, with...

IMO the key for DF & AP in 2021 will be what Yamaha allow and don't allow Star to develop on the 450. That said, with the extra mass & torque of the bike relative to the 250, I believe it needs some frame changes (not allowed by AMA rules) to open its operating window for national level pro's. Politically, with Star (or any sub-contractor for that matter) adding a layer of bureaucracy isn't ideal in a situation where you're trying to get on top of a problem.

As a side note: It would be interesting to know what frame changes the GP team tested and applied or scrapped since they're not bound by the same production based rules.

jbutton wrote:

See, this where people on the outside don't see everything. You would think that HRC was full, but you will see in a couple of days...

See, this where people on the outside don't see everything. You would think that HRC was full, but you will see in a couple of days they now all of a sudden they have money, space, and material for a couple of riders. When riders such as Dylan are as dominant as he has been the last 2 seasons and have such a huge upside, OEM's find money, find room, and make offers. It has always been the case and will always happen in unique situations. Do you think STAR Yamaha needs (6) 250 riders, of course not, but when someone becomes available that can win championships, suddenly things change. Never look at things on face value as there is so much bellow the surface that unless you are in the mix of it all you would never have imagined that such conversations take place. Just as an example, I have already had 2 of those unique conversation this morning.

In any case, I believe Dylan will show that the YZ450F is more than capable of wins!

Antonioni wrote:

I'm somewhat aware of that. I have in mind an interview of Dylan around April/May for a french media, during which he explain that many teams...

I'm somewhat aware of that.
I have in mind an interview of Dylan around April/May for a french media, during which he explain that many teams, just before covid-break, considered to add a third bike for him. Few weeks later, around SLC, Dylan explain that those things were bygone (of course due to covid-uncertainty).

Honda, HRC, with the end of FC/Geico, it's a specific example.

"When riders such as Dylan are as dominant as he has been the last 2 seasons and have such a huge upside, OEM's find money, find room, and make offers. It has always been the case and will always"
I am not convinced that dominate sportingly is still the main decisional key for such things (I have many examples in mind for that).

And even if there is always possibilities to create some room for top-notch riders, they have to be very "interesting" (...). Also it's more difficult to match salary of a pre-existing place.
However the proportion of available "regular factory-seats" stay a big factor. 2021 is bad in this regard. 2022 will be great.

Antonioni wrote:

I'm somewhat aware of that. I have in mind an interview of Dylan around April/May for a french media, during which he explain that many teams...

I'm somewhat aware of that.
I have in mind an interview of Dylan around April/May for a french media, during which he explain that many teams, just before covid-break, considered to add a third bike for him. Few weeks later, around SLC, Dylan explain that those things were bygone (of course due to covid-uncertainty).

Honda, HRC, with the end of FC/Geico, it's a specific example.

"When riders such as Dylan are as dominant as he has been the last 2 seasons and have such a huge upside, OEM's find money, find room, and make offers. It has always been the case and will always"
I am not convinced that dominate sportingly is still the main decisional key for such things (I have many examples in mind for that).

And even if there is always possibilities to create some room for top-notch riders, they have to be very "interesting" (...). Also it's more difficult to match salary of a pre-existing place.
However the proportion of available "regular factory-seats" stay a big factor. 2021 is bad in this regard. 2022 will be great.

tek14 wrote:

So did Ferrandis got deal with Star 450 on paper yet? There was lot of talk but never seen news about it.

GrapeApe wrote:

I think news of Roczen's future just got dropped in a Ferrandis thread

mx317 wrote:

Why will 2022 be so much better? The motorcycle industry here in the US of A has had a banner year in sales! There could be...

Why will 2022 be so much better? The motorcycle industry here in the US of A has had a banner year in sales! There could be some money floating around because of this. Of course some contacts may run through next year that may not be renewed if that is what your are referring to.

GrapeApe wrote:

I think news of Roczen's future just got dropped in a Ferrandis thread

Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:

Lol
You caught that ?

cable wrote:

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could...

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could string together some podiums on that thing, beside barcia.

cable wrote:

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could...

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could string together some podiums on that thing, beside barcia.

Brent wrote:

I don't think that a rider of Ferrandis's talent (or his agent) would take a one year deal from anyone. I think its going to be...

I don't think that a rider of Ferrandis's talent (or his agent) would take a one year deal from anyone.

I think its going to be Ferrandis, Sexton, and AC at the top of the results for the next few years. now that McCarty is out maybe they can finally make the changes they need for that YZ450 to work as well as the 250's do.

slipdog wrote:

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That...

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That doesn't mean they actually know anything about the shrinking of the Great Barrier Reef when they actually just mow the center divides for the city all day in downtown Pawtucket

slipdog wrote:

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That...

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That doesn't mean they actually know anything about the shrinking of the Great Barrier Reef when they actually just mow the center divides for the city all day in downtown Pawtucket

cable wrote:

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could...

sx only for roczen? So now the question is, did dylan take a one year deal on the bike? It would be nice if someone could string together some podiums on that thing, beside barcia.

Brent wrote:

I don't think that a rider of Ferrandis's talent (or his agent) would take a one year deal from anyone. I think its going to be...

I don't think that a rider of Ferrandis's talent (or his agent) would take a one year deal from anyone.

I think its going to be Ferrandis, Sexton, and AC at the top of the results for the next few years. now that McCarty is out maybe they can finally make the changes they need for that YZ450 to work as well as the 250's do.

jbutton wrote:

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what...

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what he is going to do next year. I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option. Given that I am his agent and I do everything for him I am one of the few people that know everything that has transpired over the past 18 months. Don't speculate with your vision of what was offered by whomever. Dylan had plenty of opportunities and it took months to finally make a decision that could have gone several ways.

MDana87 wrote:

IMO the key for DF & AP in 2021 will be what Yamaha allow and don't allow Star to develop on the 450. That said, with...

IMO the key for DF & AP in 2021 will be what Yamaha allow and don't allow Star to develop on the 450. That said, with the extra mass & torque of the bike relative to the 250, I believe it needs some frame changes (not allowed by AMA rules) to open its operating window for national level pro's. Politically, with Star (or any sub-contractor for that matter) adding a layer of bureaucracy isn't ideal in a situation where you're trying to get on top of a problem.

As a side note: It would be interesting to know what frame changes the GP team tested and applied or scrapped since they're not bound by the same production based rules.

Zycki11 wrote:

When you replace upper management at Yamaha as well as key employees that had a very closed minded way of “testing” I think things are going...

When you replace upper management at Yamaha as well as key employees that had a very closed minded way of “testing” I think things are going to be drastically improved.

Star has incredible employees and now they will have two very good test riders in RV and Wilbur. Keeping Sergio for the frame snd balance of the bike and hopefully direct communication with Japan will really boost Yamaha and the bikes.

I’m excited for the team and riders.

Dirty Points wrote:

Can you really group him in with AC and Sexton on career track? He is more in line age-wise with Tomac/Roczen/Anderson.

slipdog wrote:

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That...

I don't know who this Jeremy Button guy really is but anyone can make up a fake account and claim to be a Marine Biologist. That doesn't mean they actually know anything about the shrinking of the Great Barrier Reef when they actually just mow the center divides for the city all day in downtown Pawtucket

Dirty Points wrote:

Can you really group him in with AC and Sexton on career track? He is more in line age-wise with Tomac/Roczen/Anderson.

Brent wrote:

true, he is 26. BUT it seems to me like he is peaking later than most guys his age. I watch this dude at the local...

true, he is 26.

BUT it seems to me like he is peaking later than most guys his age.

I watch this dude at the local tracks around here a couple times a week when I go practice, and he seems to be out doing motos longer then most of his teammates, only McElrath rides more than Ferrandis that I've seen.

I really think Vuillemin's program has turbocharged his career, If he rides the bigger bike like he does that 250, I know I wouldn't bet against Ferrandis in the 450 class.

Of course, he could also turn into another Aaron Plessinger too. I guess we have wait and see...

jbutton wrote:

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what...

I find it very interesting that so many people on here know what was on the table for Dylan and how he chose to do what he is going to do next year. I find it funny that you think the best 250 rider only had Gas Gas and Yamaha as an option. Given that I am his agent and I do everything for him I am one of the few people that know everything that has transpired over the past 18 months. Don't speculate with your vision of what was offered by whomever. Dylan had plenty of opportunities and it took months to finally make a decision that could have gone several ways.