Jett is a passing MF'er

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He does it every week. Once again he went from 19th to 6th in the second moto(actually I thought I saw him in 20th on the live timing). He also went from 10th to 6th in the first moto.


https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Movers-amp-Shakers-from-Thunder-Valley…
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He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I don't care how much promise someone has, give riders (and their sponsors) the airtime they deserve.
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This kid is real. I have him slated to win the 250mx title next year. I think he still has learning to do in supercross, but MX is natural for him.
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bayodome wrote:
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I...
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I don't care how much promise someone has, give riders (and their sponsors) the airtime they deserve.
It is not like he is not delivering too. Without the double DNF at LL, he would be 3rd in the standings, so he is not shown randomly. For a rookie, he has been extremely consistent with lots of passes, which is also what people want to see. It is more interesting to watch a rider moving forward than other riders who have gaped the next riders.

That said, I don't think he will win the outdoor next year, it will be tough again too, with JMart, Forkner, RJ, Cooper, Amart, his brother, Masterpool, etc. Indoor, it may be possible if he is on a different coast than Forkner.
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I’m very impressed by him outdoors. Talent off the charts. Not just a SX kid. Barring injury, his potential is limitless at this point
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No love for Noren or Williams? They both made a lot more passes than Jett. Oh yeah, you only make posts about Jett.
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bayodome wrote:
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I...
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I don't care how much promise someone has, give riders (and their sponsors) the airtime they deserve.
Question wrote:
It is not like he is not delivering too. Without the double DNF at LL, he would be 3rd in the standings, so he is not...
It is not like he is not delivering too. Without the double DNF at LL, he would be 3rd in the standings, so he is not shown randomly. For a rookie, he has been extremely consistent with lots of passes, which is also what people want to see. It is more interesting to watch a rider moving forward than other riders who have gaped the next riders.

That said, I don't think he will win the outdoor next year, it will be tough again too, with JMart, Forkner, RJ, Cooper, Amart, his brother, Masterpool, etc. Indoor, it may be possible if he is on a different coast than Forkner.
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of the riders in the top 15 (especially in the 250 class).

If Alex Martin or Jo Shimoda (also a rookie on the same team who earned National number 84 instead of 83 by running the same number of races last season) got the same type of hype talk and air time as Jett, people would be saying the same things. "Wow Shimoda really is something." (which he is, by the way...they all are.).

I'm not saying J Lawrence isn't talented, but the focus on him this season drives me bonkers at times. If he's running in 2nd or 3rd, then sure, yes absolutely show him. But when he's back in 9th, and they skip over the 4th-8th place riders to talk about how much the Hunter family sacrificed to come to the US, I think it does an huge disservice to the guys in front of him who have probably sacrificed just as much to get to where they are.
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No love for Noren or Williams? They both made a lot more passes than Jett. Oh yeah, you only make posts about Jett.
You could start your own thread!
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10/5/2020 11:02am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2020 11:35am
bayodome wrote:
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of...
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of the riders in the top 15 (especially in the 250 class).

If Alex Martin or Jo Shimoda (also a rookie on the same team who earned National number 84 instead of 83 by running the same number of races last season) got the same type of hype talk and air time as Jett, people would be saying the same things. "Wow Shimoda really is something." (which he is, by the way...they all are.).

I'm not saying J Lawrence isn't talented, but the focus on him this season drives me bonkers at times. If he's running in 2nd or 3rd, then sure, yes absolutely show him. But when he's back in 9th, and they skip over the 4th-8th place riders to talk about how much the Hunter family sacrificed to come to the US, I think it does an huge disservice to the guys in front of him who have probably sacrificed just as much to get to where they are.
They are focused on him because he's young and fast and has a interesting personality. But they wouldn't focus on him unless he delivered, and for the most part he has. Regularly passing 13 top guys with the talent in the 250 class shows something. If he started 6th and held on for 6th it would still be impressive but passing 13 top guys is pretty ridiculous. Who else is even close to that? The fact that he just turned 17 and has the speed, stamina and racecraft to do it clean is more impressive than starting 3rd and ending up 3rd, IMO.
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All this experience passing tons of riders this year will give him that extra gear. I see himself as a contender indoors and out next year.

He is developing this ”slice trough the pack„ ability that not everyone has (same as Ferrandis). A force to reckon next year.
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bayodome wrote:
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of...
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of the riders in the top 15 (especially in the 250 class).

If Alex Martin or Jo Shimoda (also a rookie on the same team who earned National number 84 instead of 83 by running the same number of races last season) got the same type of hype talk and air time as Jett, people would be saying the same things. "Wow Shimoda really is something." (which he is, by the way...they all are.).

I'm not saying J Lawrence isn't talented, but the focus on him this season drives me bonkers at times. If he's running in 2nd or 3rd, then sure, yes absolutely show him. But when he's back in 9th, and they skip over the 4th-8th place riders to talk about how much the Hunter family sacrificed to come to the US, I think it does an huge disservice to the guys in front of him who have probably sacrificed just as much to get to where they are.
str8line wrote:
They are focused on him because he's young and fast and has a interesting personality. But they wouldn't focus on him unless he delivered, and for...
They are focused on him because he's young and fast and has a interesting personality. But they wouldn't focus on him unless he delivered, and for the most part he has. Regularly passing 13 top guys with the talent in the 250 class shows something. If he started 6th and held on for 6th it would still be impressive but passing 13 top guys is pretty ridiculous. Who else is even close to that? The fact that he just turned 17 and has the speed, stamina and racecraft to do it clean is more impressive than starting 3rd and ending up 3rd, IMO.
This is the difference. He brings a very different personality, has an interesting story, and the broadcast is about entertainment. His brother races and they battled in Colorado, and they bring some rivalry and FUN to the sport. Their battles with Forkner and others in SLC were awesome to watch and talk about.

Shane McElrath finished just ahead of him and they talked about him getting holeshots and going backwards.....not to mention the only thing notable about Shane is he acted like a baby and tried to undermine competitors in Salt Lake City....and then thanked the man above 857 times.

Jo Shimoda and Mitchell Harrison were nearby and they talked about him some...but what do they bring to the table for the audience? Not much.

I am not saying those riders are not incredible, because they are, but they really don't tell a story different than the others in the Top 20, but Jett and Hunter do. Be glad they are part of the sport and we need more riders showing who they are and being open, honest, and competitive.
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^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
Did you know jett calls him sushi?
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
fanger wrote:
Did you know jett calls him sushi?
I’m sure Honda loves that.
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10/5/2020 2:07pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
fanger wrote:
Did you know jett calls him sushi?
and he loves to ride rollercoasters
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
Jett has a way bigger public following... their logic is probably a greater public following equals greater reason to show them on tv.
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10/5/2020 3:08pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2020 3:27pm
Jett is just easy to talk about on broadcasts and also ralph seems to like them a lot on top of that. Its just an easy way to fill a few minutes of commentating.

He is a rookie, young, brother is racing on same team, from Australia (“just like chad reed who blahblahblah”) risked it all to come here (ralph
loves adversity), jett is outspoken/lot of personality, has that one sx crash racing ferrandis they can show the clip of a million times, he has barely missed the podium all outdoors, has the doughnut thing, has a lot of fans/followers, and the list goes on.

The broadcasts are about entertainment and keeping things moving and he is pretty entertaining and easy to talk about. He is also pretty darn fast and is not afraid to send it. Shimoda also has had great results as a rookie and definitely deserves a bit more attention especially being from Japan, but the long list of reasons above explains why jett is getting a lot of attention.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
Shezzy557 wrote:
Jett has a way bigger public following... their logic is probably a greater public following equals greater reason to show them on tv.
Yes true, my non moto 12 year old son showed me one of Jetts insta,s last week, he had no idea he was an mx,er.
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Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1.

They don't do it on ball sports either. I've never heard on a soccer match: "you know Cristiano Ronaldo calls Messi blablabla".
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FerCzD wrote:
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1. They don't...
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1.

They don't do it on ball sports either. I've never heard on a soccer match: "you know Cristiano Ronaldo calls Messi blablabla".
They absolutely talk about rider/driver stories in F1 and Moto GP. Soccer, who knows, but the driver stories in F1 and what teams they drive for is huge. They even have Netflix documentaries on exactly that....the drama, shit talking, and team dynamics. Its great too.
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FerCzD wrote:
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1. They don't...
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1.

They don't do it on ball sports either. I've never heard on a soccer match: "you know Cristiano Ronaldo calls Messi blablabla".
There’s not a sport I watch where the announcers don’t tell anecdotes about the participants.
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bayodome wrote:
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I...
He's also had more screen time than just about every rider aside from Ferrandis, but he's yet to win a race. How does that work? I don't care how much promise someone has, give riders (and their sponsors) the airtime they deserve.
Question wrote:
It is not like he is not delivering too. Without the double DNF at LL, he would be 3rd in the standings, so he is not...
It is not like he is not delivering too. Without the double DNF at LL, he would be 3rd in the standings, so he is not shown randomly. For a rookie, he has been extremely consistent with lots of passes, which is also what people want to see. It is more interesting to watch a rider moving forward than other riders who have gaped the next riders.

That said, I don't think he will win the outdoor next year, it will be tough again too, with JMart, Forkner, RJ, Cooper, Amart, his brother, Masterpool, etc. Indoor, it may be possible if he is on a different coast than Forkner.
bayodome wrote:
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of...
Yes he's delivering to an extent, but he's not James Stewart or Ricky Carmichael. And it's easy to be impressed by the talent of any of the riders in the top 15 (especially in the 250 class).

If Alex Martin or Jo Shimoda (also a rookie on the same team who earned National number 84 instead of 83 by running the same number of races last season) got the same type of hype talk and air time as Jett, people would be saying the same things. "Wow Shimoda really is something." (which he is, by the way...they all are.).

I'm not saying J Lawrence isn't talented, but the focus on him this season drives me bonkers at times. If he's running in 2nd or 3rd, then sure, yes absolutely show him. But when he's back in 9th, and they skip over the 4th-8th place riders to talk about how much the Hunter family sacrificed to come to the US, I think it does an huge disservice to the guys in front of him who have probably sacrificed just as much to get to where they are.
Because RC's and Stewart's come around all the time right? Or more likely we will never see anyone like them ever again. And you think Amart who's been in the class 20yrs should get hype?
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FerCzD wrote:
All this experience passing tons of riders this year will give him that extra gear. I see himself as a contender indoors and out next year...
All this experience passing tons of riders this year will give him that extra gear. I see himself as a contender indoors and out next year.

He is developing this ”slice trough the pack„ ability that not everyone has (same as Ferrandis). A force to reckon next year.
I agree. Jett was on fire before he was injured. He has a super bright future, and will be a title contender in my opinion.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
^^^ Jo Shimoda is from Japan. I'd say that's a pretty interesting storyline for the audience.
fanger wrote:
Did you know jett calls him sushi?
Shimoda has been called sushi by his trainer when he was on 65 a bit after he moved to the US.
For a long time it was fairly hard for Jo to speak English, he speaks Japanese everyday at home with his mom, grandpa and sister. His dad has a company in Japan so he see his dad roughly twice a year, and with covid I bet it’s been even harder.
I think Jo has a nice story, coming from the other side of the world, same as the Lawrences. Jo is more of an introvert so people don’t know about him. I moved by myself from France to SoCal so I know how they feel.
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I feel for the Geico guys... you can see them riding so fuckin hard and McElrath is just cruising along...
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kids like jett are the future , just 17 years old and look at him ..future champ without a doubt , very likable and with great social media presence and followers that attracts sponsors etc .. thats how it works these days , im a fan of the kid
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FerCzD wrote:
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1. They don't...
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1.

They don't do it on ball sports either. I've never heard on a soccer match: "you know Cristiano Ronaldo calls Messi blablabla".
They absolutely talk about rider/driver stories in F1 and Moto GP. Soccer, who knows, but the driver stories in F1 and what teams they drive for...
They absolutely talk about rider/driver stories in F1 and Moto GP. Soccer, who knows, but the driver stories in F1 and what teams they drive for is huge. They even have Netflix documentaries on exactly that....the drama, shit talking, and team dynamics. Its great too.
I agree. I can't get enough of the Netflix documentaries on F1.
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10/7/2020 4:24pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2020 4:25pm
No love for Noren or Williams? They both made a lot more passes than Jett. Oh yeah, you only make posts about Jett.
Where did they end up?
It gets harder to pass riders as you get closer to the lead.

It is a lot more impressive to go from 20th to 6th, than 40th to 15th
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I know Jo was born in Japan. he's been in usa for 19 years, and he's only '18! Joke aside, Jeff ward is not from america, but he would say he's american.
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FerCzD wrote:
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1. They don't...
Filling blank spots in SX commenting with personal, random things about specific Riders is cringy. They don't do it in MXGP, MotoGP or F1.

They don't do it on ball sports either. I've never heard on a soccer match: "you know Cristiano Ronaldo calls Messi blablabla".
They absolutely talk about rider/driver stories in F1 and Moto GP. Soccer, who knows, but the driver stories in F1 and what teams they drive for...
They absolutely talk about rider/driver stories in F1 and Moto GP. Soccer, who knows, but the driver stories in F1 and what teams they drive for is huge. They even have Netflix documentaries on exactly that....the drama, shit talking, and team dynamics. Its great too.
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I agree. I can't get enough of the Netflix documentaries on F1.
Agreed, go page Reed Hastings to get a documentary on MX. If only he would get a try on a YZ250.
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Pretty average passing from Jett yesterday.

Only managed a single overtake in the first moto and two or three in the second.
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