Another Reason to get OUT of California >>>

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RichieW13 wrote:
One of the solutions is that electric vehicles can be used as a battery to send power back into the system when they aren't being used...
One of the solutions is that electric vehicles can be used as a battery to send power back into the system when they aren't being used.

"Under this relatively new concept, electric cars would store and dispatch electrical energy stored in networked vehicle batteries which together act as one collective battery fleet for ‘peak shaving’ (sending power back to the grid when demand is high) and ‘valley filling’ (charging at night when demand is low)

When the electric utility would like to buy power from the network, it holds an auction. The car owners or leasing companies would be able to define the parameters under which they will sell energy from their battery pack."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/vehicle-to-grid
Batteries have a limited number of cycles before it starts losing capacity. Now your very expensive battery is getting worn down collectively by the power grid even when you’re not using it?
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9/30/2020 5:08pm
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving...
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
RichieW13 wrote:
Well, the point isn't for people to get rich selling their electricity, but to just encourage people to send power back to the grid when they...
Well, the point isn't for people to get rich selling their electricity, but to just encourage people to send power back to the grid when they don't need it. Though, since it's an auction, it's quite possible that you could be paid quite a bit for your electricity in times of high demand.

"I'd rather walk than drive an EV."

Sure you would.
Yes, I would rather walk then drive a EV. which is much healthier and environmentally friendlier. I'd use one of my many gasoline engine vehicles that I will never sell if I needed to commute anywhere.

Only place I can think of that I would need to go is a district37 race,
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I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also has some of the coolest stuff in the country. I can ride 7 days a week here, 10 different tracks, I can go from snow to ocean in under 4 hours, it actually has seasons, the economy pre-Covid was fantastic, and tons more.

Would I like lower taxes, fuck yes, and that’s why I sometimes lean towards moving down the mountain over the Nevada state line, where I do most of my shopping anyway with cheaper sales taxes, gas, etc. but again, that California beauty is pretty hard to beat when we’re not on fire so I’m here.

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9/30/2020 5:32pm
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Personally I think hybrids are the future. Combing both technologies. Smaller engines and fewer and smaller batteries. There is so much IC tech left to tap...
Personally I think hybrids are the future. Combing both technologies. Smaller engines and fewer and smaller batteries. There is so much IC tech left to tap and a lot already exists. For example eliminating cams. Let solenoids operate valves. On cars once you get more batteries you can run all the parasitic loads off them..water pump, air conditioning ect...so much power to be gained and running much smaller engines. Locomotives have been hybrids for decades now. The diesel engine runs the generator for the electric power. I think almost anyone could get behind a hybrid PU capable of towing 30,000 lbs and getting great fuel mileage.
I agree with this 1000%. Greatly increases fuel mileage and eliminates the need for complicated charging stations all over the place among other things.

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9/30/2020 5:38pm
The UK is banning gas vehicle sales in 2035 and
cars need to hit 92mpg by 2030 to be legal in the EU. Between all those places needing electric cars and infrastructure, I think we'll have some decent electric cars on the market, and more than a few corporations trying to make a few bucks with solutions to current issues.
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Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving...
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
Our electric utility charges about 2.7 cents/kWh for electrical usage, but pays any of their customers about 9 cents/kWh for the excess electricity that they generate and put back into the grid.

It’s a pretty good deal.
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BToz wrote:
Batteries have a limited number of cycles before it starts losing capacity. Now your very expensive battery is getting worn down collectively by the power grid...
Batteries have a limited number of cycles before it starts losing capacity. Now your very expensive battery is getting worn down collectively by the power grid even when you’re not using it?
That probably won't be an issue. Tesla and GM seem to think their batteries will soon be good for a million miles - likely much longer than the car will last.

https://evcharging.enelx.com/news/blog/512-electric-car-battery-life

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-batteries/gm-says-it-is-almost-th…
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9/30/2020 6:19pm
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving...
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Our electric utility charges about 2.7 cents/kWh for electrical usage, but pays any of their customers about 9 cents/kWh for the excess electricity that they generate...
Our electric utility charges about 2.7 cents/kWh for electrical usage, but pays any of their customers about 9 cents/kWh for the excess electricity that they generate and put back into the grid.

It’s a pretty good deal.
That is a good deal especially with the "ANY of their customers" qualifier.
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9/30/2020 6:21pm
I think it's more likely that housing costs go up when a bunch of people move into an area in a short period of time, regardless of their political leanings.
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Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving...
Concept sounds good. In this case I might buy a few EV's just to store electricity to sell. Somehow I don't see the electric company giving you the same price per unit as what they would charge you. I'd rather walk than drive an EV.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Our electric utility charges about 2.7 cents/kWh for electrical usage, but pays any of their customers about 9 cents/kWh for the excess electricity that they generate...
Our electric utility charges about 2.7 cents/kWh for electrical usage, but pays any of their customers about 9 cents/kWh for the excess electricity that they generate and put back into the grid.

It’s a pretty good deal.
That is a good deal especially with the "ANY of their customers" qualifier.
There are some obvious restrictions. You have to generate that electricity from a renewable source, and there is a limit that basically makes it applicable to residential customers, not for businesses that consume large amounts of electricity, etc.

Pretty good deal all the way around, but that’s the only way that wind or solar generation would make sense for households here where our electricity prices are so low.
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JamesReed wrote:
I think it's more likely that housing costs go up when a bunch of people move into an area in a short period of time, regardless...
I think it's more likely that housing costs go up when a bunch of people move into an area in a short period of time, regardless of their political leanings.
Yes, and most people move OUT of a certain area because housing prices have gotten too high.
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chasetwo79 wrote:
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also...
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also has some of the coolest stuff in the country. I can ride 7 days a week here, 10 different tracks, I can go from snow to ocean in under 4 hours, it actually has seasons, the economy pre-Covid was fantastic, and tons more.

Would I like lower taxes, fuck yes, and that’s why I sometimes lean towards moving down the mountain over the Nevada state line, where I do most of my shopping anyway with cheaper sales taxes, gas, etc. but again, that California beauty is pretty hard to beat when we’re not on fire so I’m here.

i sure do miss riding DH at Northstar every weekend and hitting 50/50 brewing on my way back to Reno!
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chasetwo79 wrote:
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also...
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also has some of the coolest stuff in the country. I can ride 7 days a week here, 10 different tracks, I can go from snow to ocean in under 4 hours, it actually has seasons, the economy pre-Covid was fantastic, and tons more.

Would I like lower taxes, fuck yes, and that’s why I sometimes lean towards moving down the mountain over the Nevada state line, where I do most of my shopping anyway with cheaper sales taxes, gas, etc. but again, that California beauty is pretty hard to beat when we’re not on fire so I’m here.

bvm111 wrote:
i sure do miss riding DH at Northstar every weekend and hitting 50/50 brewing on my way back to Reno!
Is the prado dam track still up there? It was fun back in 2004ish. Dont think it was ever prepped but I had fun
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chasetwo79 wrote:
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also...
I live in Truckee, but am born and raised in Florida, But have lived and traveled all over. While California may have its issues, it also has some of the coolest stuff in the country. I can ride 7 days a week here, 10 different tracks, I can go from snow to ocean in under 4 hours, it actually has seasons, the economy pre-Covid was fantastic, and tons more.

Would I like lower taxes, fuck yes, and that’s why I sometimes lean towards moving down the mountain over the Nevada state line, where I do most of my shopping anyway with cheaper sales taxes, gas, etc. but again, that California beauty is pretty hard to beat when we’re not on fire so I’m here.

bvm111 wrote:
i sure do miss riding DH at Northstar every weekend and hitting 50/50 brewing on my way back to Reno!
Dirtydeeds wrote:
Is the prado dam track still up there? It was fun back in 2004ish. Dont think it was ever prepped but I had fun
i believe so, i remember being told there was a place to ride up there but i never went. I rode at Exit 28 MX east of reno but i think they have closed down.
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bvm111 wrote:
i sure do miss riding DH at Northstar every weekend and hitting 50/50 brewing on my way back to Reno!
Dirtydeeds wrote:
Is the prado dam track still up there? It was fun back in 2004ish. Dont think it was ever prepped but I had fun
bvm111 wrote:
i believe so, i remember being told there was a place to ride up there but i never went. I rode at Exit 28 MX east...
i believe so, i remember being told there was a place to ride up there but i never went. I rode at Exit 28 MX east of reno but i think they have closed down.
Prosser Dam has a track that is totally roached and never gets worked on, but the area around it has some great riding as it’s an OHV. I have a couple of solid turn tracks cut in that I go to when it’s too hot down the mountain or I’m not feeling driving far. Also world class fire road and trail riding in the National forest.

Track wise there is a new track in Fernley outside of Reno, that has been open since earlier this year. They are putting in great work so far, I hope they stick around as it’s only an hour from the house.

But if I go 1.5 hours I have Hangtown, E-Street, Riverfront, and MMX. If I go 2.5 hours I have Club Moto, Argyle, and Diablo MX all in the east bay.

California has hands down the best Vet moto scene in the country also. So as I said, not all bad here...

9/30/2020 9:53pm
Dirtydeeds wrote:
Is the prado dam track still up there? It was fun back in 2004ish. Dont think it was ever prepped but I had fun
bvm111 wrote:
i believe so, i remember being told there was a place to ride up there but i never went. I rode at Exit 28 MX east...
i believe so, i remember being told there was a place to ride up there but i never went. I rode at Exit 28 MX east of reno but i think they have closed down.
chasetwo79 wrote:
Prosser Dam has a track that is totally roached and never gets worked on, but the area around it has some great riding as it’s an...
Prosser Dam has a track that is totally roached and never gets worked on, but the area around it has some great riding as it’s an OHV. I have a couple of solid turn tracks cut in that I go to when it’s too hot down the mountain or I’m not feeling driving far. Also world class fire road and trail riding in the National forest.

Track wise there is a new track in Fernley outside of Reno, that has been open since earlier this year. They are putting in great work so far, I hope they stick around as it’s only an hour from the house.

But if I go 1.5 hours I have Hangtown, E-Street, Riverfront, and MMX. If I go 2.5 hours I have Club Moto, Argyle, and Diablo MX all in the east bay.

California has hands down the best Vet moto scene in the country also. So as I said, not all bad here...

*Prosser dam* thats right, mixed it up with a dam down here. Damn...

Yeah, heard Prosser is roached now. It wasn’t too bad last time I was there. Many years ago.
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I would buy an E-moto to ride Hollister Hills OHV, place is legendary!

Also, more practically, the electric grid is way easier to improve from an efficiency standpoint than the Petro supply cartel, I mean supply chain.
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If electric cars are the answer.... then how come after 10 years of Teslas success no other car company can compete with them?
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cz2crf2wc wrote:
If electric cars are the answer.... then how come after 10 years of Teslas success no other car company can compete with them?
Because the Japanese don't want to cannibalize their best-selling lineups. Ford only wants to sell trucks, and Chevy/Mopar are making a ton of money selling hot rods.
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cz2crf2wc wrote:
If electric cars are the answer.... then how come after 10 years of Teslas success no other car company can compete with them?
FWIW Volkswagen holds all the notable lap records for electric cars with the #94 IDR. Pikes Peak record, Volkswagen IDR
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cz2crf2wc wrote:
If electric cars are the answer.... then how come after 10 years of Teslas success no other car company can compete with them?
JamesReed wrote:
FWIW Volkswagen holds all the notable lap records for electric cars with the #94 IDR. Pikes Peak record, Volkswagen IDR
Lap records are fine but I think range is the top selling point.
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Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was...
Electric alone CANNOT happen as CA is suggesting WITHOUT major costs involved. Lets think about this a little.... what happened recently in CA when it was HOT and the electric grid COULDN"T handle the loads and power was SHUTOFF to avoid blackouts. An average EV to charge for 20 minutes is the same load on the grid that (3) average households use during peak usage. Have to factor in the many more non-native people settling in too. Sorry you can't drive/ride now because we have an electricity drought, or yes you can have electricity at a high tier cost. Someone has to pay for the upgraded infrastructure. Unlike Texas where there is competitive markets for electricity providers (yes you can choose who you want like cable TV). Great SCE & PG&E will control your cost. Your riding won't be measured in Gallons of Fuel or Mileage, rather time and a payment card for the electrical infrastructure. Maybe you can get your name on the 480kV tower??

I wonder how many electric motors that run hot will ignite the unmanaged brush in CA and WhyTF can't we buy more fire-fighting planes and have better plans in place to avoid these yearly fires. I'm certain that my exhaust w/o spark arrestor on my offroad bike would kill me if I had to rely on it for a source of fire.

But as logic goes out the window, maybe I should buy stock in Duracel and Energizer who might power these things that some call dirtbikes. Ecigs too! Nothing like riding an electric motorcycle down the road with an e-cig in your mouth with the fake tata woman on the back.
I submit Rate Case testimony to my State regulator for natural gas utility funding.

The CPUC has the ability to solve the issue of electricity droughts by approving PG&E and SDG&E Rate Case filings.

The problem typically is however, that a utility will seek X amount of funding to do Y projects. That may be new 480kV transmission lines, build a new power plant, maintain existing lines to prevent outages and fires.....

But in every Rate Case I have seen, the Commission “disallow” 10-25% of the financial ask.

If the utility was allowed to charge what they wanted per unit of energy, then they could operate their system and infrastructure as they see fit - and. Competitor could do the same - giving the user options in providers like you mentioned.

The biggest issue here to me is this: Regulated monopolies are managed by the Commission that approved funding, and handcuffed on decisions based on those approvals / disallowances.

If California wants to convert to 100% EV’s..... they just have the allow your utilities to pass the bill for upgrades on to you guys - and they’ll build the system to work.
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10/1/2020 4:40am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2020 4:41am
cz2crf2wc wrote:
If electric cars are the answer.... then how come after 10 years of Teslas success no other car company can compete with them?
JamesReed wrote:
FWIW Volkswagen holds all the notable lap records for electric cars with the #94 IDR. Pikes Peak record, Volkswagen IDR
cz2crf2wc wrote:
Lap records are fine but I think range is the top selling point.
Exactly. You can't buy an ev and drive from Indiana to Florida in a day like you can now. Range is the issue and will be for a while. Even though they've improved the range on them, they still have limits.
Electric bikes have the same issue. Some of the ofroad races here are 2 or 3 hours.Then again, maybe quick change batteries will solve that issue on bikes.

Besides, now that we pretty much produce all our own oil we're not dependant on OPEC anymore.
Other than Cali, gas is cheap. $1.85 here. Making ev's less cost effective and less attractive.
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10/1/2020 5:22am
Do electric cars have gas pedals?
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I took a little mini vacation in August. Drove from KS to Muir Beach and headed south hitting as many beaches as I could all the...
I took a little mini vacation in August. Drove from KS to Muir Beach and headed south hitting as many beaches as I could all the way to SD. Here are a few things I can state as fact:

1. Traffic...the freeways are crowded. But, the drivers are fast, aware and pretty damn courteous. (compared to most of the country, especially here in the plains states).

2. If you aren't in a gawdawful hurry there are secondary/backroads that are in excellent condition and offer an eye opening view of rural CA you just won't get at 80 mph on the big roads.

3. The state is full of hard ass working people...working those crazy big ass fields in the central valley...working 3 jobs to support a small business that is their dream...hustling to afford the insane prices for everything. They damn sure ain't afraid of work.

4. The rest of the country needs a lesson from California on diversity inclusion/acceptance. Everyone knows there are a lot of Spanish/Asian Americans in CA....but there are folks from just about everywhere....everywhere you go. And they're GETTING along. Their kids play together, their dogs play together...the price of welcome seemed to be a smile and a laugh.

5. I'm not stupid or blind...I did see poverty, homeless, trash...but not nearly as much as I expected. California is not paradise but it doesn't suck.

6. Lastly, the Pacific Ocean is cold as f$@k. I expected cold water up north but I wrongly expected San Diego to be like bath water. Hell no...like 2 degrees warmer....Destin it ain't. But, I'd trade it in a heartbeat for this Kansas winter that's on the way.

Thank you. I think this is the best single post I have ever read here.

Your glass is half full, but filling. You see the positive, and I really appreciate that.

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Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and...
Electric by 2035?.... Sounds good to me! Some states just don’t give a shit about their environment. I wish we could fast forward 15 years and see the expression on your face when you’re the only one burning fossil fuels. The times are changing old man (I am assuming) and California is on the forefront. It would behoove you to embrace new technology rather than fight it.... and if that means quieter bikes and a cleaner environment, why would you? Unsure
Those people can be seen today.

They are the ones who cannot be troubled to wear a mask.
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I think it was those two guys from Texas that bought up about every available chunk of land, then shut it down. Even better, they got...
I think it was those two guys from Texas that bought up about every available chunk of land, then shut it down. Even better, they got a bill passed to increase trespassing fines so they’ve monetized it and have patrols to look for people. There’s a video on youtube of one incident.
Yes. They came to Idaho, bought many parcels that had established roads and trails, and shut them down.

Locals were/are not happy about it.

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BToz wrote:
Batteries have a limited number of cycles before it starts losing capacity. Now your very expensive battery is getting worn down collectively by the power grid...
Batteries have a limited number of cycles before it starts losing capacity. Now your very expensive battery is getting worn down collectively by the power grid even when you’re not using it?
RichieW13 wrote:
That probably won't be an issue. Tesla and GM seem to think their batteries will soon be good for a million miles - likely much longer...
That probably won't be an issue. Tesla and GM seem to think their batteries will soon be good for a million miles - likely much longer than the car will last.

https://evcharging.enelx.com/news/blog/512-electric-car-battery-life

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gm-batteries/gm-says-it-is-almost-th…
I can’t speak for Tesla but GM has said a lot of things in the past and just because you can build a prototype doesn’t mean you can profit from mass production. “You know how to make a million dollars selling cars?” “Take out the $3 part and put in a $2 part.” -GM instructor, GM training center Tigard Oregon 1993

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