350 vs. 450

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Problem with 350 is that it isnt as fast as a 450, and it still feels heavier than a 250. Why not just ride a 450...
Problem with 350 is that it isnt as fast as a 450, and it still feels heavier than a 250. Why not just ride a 450? Theyre so easy to ride. Wide powerband and forgiving
Everyones styles different. Why worry about whats working for others? 450s massive low end delivery dont work for everyone. 350s high rpm doesnt work for others.

Thats why theres choices!
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cody41 wrote:
You have to ask yourself if you’re prepared to deal with the worst suspension on the market if you go the 350 route.
Spagina767 wrote:
What years? I have a 2019 and I feel that it works excellent!
Any year.
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Do a 450. You can map it milder, run a heavy flywheel wheel and save a bunch of money not wasting it on a pipe.
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If you search my posts, you will see a thread where I post dyno and build info on my 2016 Husky 350 with a big bore kit. It has 60+hp and it feels just as light as a 250. Not just curb weight, but engine inertia as well.
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If you search my posts, you will see a thread where I post dyno and build info on my 2016 Husky 350 with a big bore...
If you search my posts, you will see a thread where I post dyno and build info on my 2016 Husky 350 with a big bore kit. It has 60+hp and it feels just as light as a 250. Not just curb weight, but engine inertia as well.
That's sweet. And I agree, it basically just feels like a 250F.

They are not noticably heavier feeling than a 250, at all. That is what makes them awesome. If they handled or felt like a 450, there would be no point.A couple guys saying otherwise, I have no idea how you can think that if you have ridden one.

I get it that some people like to lug 3rd and have that low end 450 torque or aren't into high-rpm screamers, but in the handling/lightness department, they are much better than a 450.It's all in what works best with your riding style.
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i have now a 20.5 450 rockstar edition it is so easy to use no more small engine in my life
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I have a 16 250 sxf and a 17 350 and to me the 250 feels much lighter than the 350 - not even close. But I have also hopped onto a friend's Husky 450 after riding my 350 and I thought the 450 felt like a tank. I was also surprised at how smooth and mellow the 450 felt. The 350 definitely lacks the grunt off the bottom, but after that it feels snappy and quicker-revving making it more fun to ride, in my opinion.
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I just got a 2022 350SXF! Good info on this thread.
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Congrats!
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Has anyone installed a vortex or one of these to gain another 10+ hp on their 350? Seems like this would really narrow the gap between...
Has anyone installed a vortex or one of these to gain another 10+ hp on their 350? Seems like this would really narrow the gap between a 350 and 450:

10hp I don't think so.
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I’m looking to try something different. Grew up on 2Ts, had one ‘09 CRF250R, and more recently an ‘04 CR250 and ‘05 RM125(144). Now I’d like...
I’m looking to try something different. Grew up on 2Ts, had one ‘09 CRF250R, and more recently an ‘04 CR250 and ‘05 RM125(144). Now I’d like a fuel injected (read - no jetting), electric start, latest generation bike. Possibly race vet class, mostly track for fun though. One thing I hated about the CRF was the heavy feel and engine inertia. Electric smooth motor, but it felt 100lbs heavier than a CR. I don’t mind revving a bike and shifting as necessary. In fact I really enjoy 125s, but want something with a more mello oomph for this bike (relative to a 125). I’ve sat on the ‘19 KX450, YZ450F and 350SXF. The KX felt really good but the other two weren’t bad. I’m 175lbs so can adjust any of them to work I’m sure. The real question, which can only be answered by riding them, is how much lighter feeling is the 350 vs a 450? If I do race am I going to suffer significantly more wrestling a 450 around vs a 350? My dilemma is I’m leaning towards the KX, or YZ (just because they are new and look cool...), but IF the 450s are really much less nimble and forgiving, then I’d probably end up liking a 350 better. Any vet riders out there who have ridden both have any insight?
Im 180lbs, and spent 10+ years on 250f's and finally said I wanted a little more. 450's are just too much, I have never felt comfortable on them and that could possibly be because im so used to riding on the pipe as you do on the 250's. I decided to go with the KTM 350SXF and it blew my mind. You do still kinda have to ride it like a 250, but the low end has sooo much pull that you can also ride a gear taller if you chose to not wanna have to ride it on the pipe at all times. I would 100% recommend the 350 over the 450. My buddy who I would consider an expert riding level and weighs around 170-180 as well bought a '21 Husqy Rockstar Edition and only rode maybe 15-20 times and just traded it in for a '22 Husqy 350 and he says he feels soooo much better and that the ride ability is just so much better on the 350 then the 450. Yes, some riders are able to cope with the 450 power, but unless you Sand Dunes riding or have deep loamy tracks I just dont see a justification to need the 450 power. Quick note, I raced my 350 up comp hill at the dunes against 3 of my buddies on 450. I was on my fresh knobby and they all had paddles and I beat them 1/3 runs but when i lost it was literally by a fender....
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8/11/2021 3:31pm Edited Date/Time 8/11/2021 3:33pm
moto551 wrote:
10hp I don't think so.
I have a Vortex on my 2018 350SXF from Chad at XPR with 3 maps that he made for me.

It doesn't really increase horsepower, it just moves the power around to where it works for you - some people like to rev the bike, others like to lug it.

If you want more HP out of a 350 without going into the motor to do cam and piston work, do this -

(1) use VP race fuel - this will produce significant results

(2) get rid of the backfire screen in the air-box

(3) get an FMF pipe and muffler.

(4) not really HP related, but go to the quicker turning black throttle cam that comes in the spare parts kit.

All that said, I race both the 350 and 450 KTM's - im a 160 LB Vet - and in my experience the 450 is a far better motorcycle, because the power is available if you need it. 450s are actually easier to ride and race if you dont just whack the throttle open.
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Sure wish Honda made a 350, or even 275-325cc range. Ooorrr KTM gave the consumer a spring fork option from the showroom that costs the same as AER.
Having to plan on spending money right out of the box to convert air forks to spring kills the KTM for me.
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RCMXracing wrote:
Sure wish Honda made a 350, or even 275-325cc range. Ooorrr KTM gave the consumer a spring fork option from the showroom that costs the same...
Sure wish Honda made a 350, or even 275-325cc range. Ooorrr KTM gave the consumer a spring fork option from the showroom that costs the same as AER.
Having to plan on spending money right out of the box to convert air forks to spring kills the KTM for me.
Thats what has been holding me back from buying a 350. I know some say the latest air fork is much better, but its not a gamble im willing to take just yet. Plus dropping another 2k to change the forks if i dont like them. Ive wanted to try a 350 for the longest time. I actually demoed a new 2018 a few years back and didnt care for it at the time. Since i had been riding 450s for so long, I just wasnt use to having to rev out a bike so far. Shortly after that demo, I bought a used 15 250sx and that got me more comfortable with having to rev out the smaller bikes. This spring i debated on getting a new yz250f or 350sxf, and I chose the yz for a few reasons and the forks being one of the big reasons. Im very happy with my choice, but the 350 will always be on my radar as the next bike to get.
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8/11/2021 11:25pm
I’m a decent rider who is 175cm tall and weighs 70kg, after 10 years of 250 2stroke i had the chance to buy new, so went with a ‘21 350. A 450 is too much bike for me in the sand of the netherlands.

Did some little things to it;

Spring cartridge from reiger in front (400 euros new)
Am on a set on conevalves now.
Hgs exhaust
2stroke filtercage
Carbon air intake
Running black throttle cam
Using vented side panel

Bike is on par with 450 power, exiting a corner it’s slightly less but it catches up quick and able to keep it longer in gears and it keeps pulling.


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i have a 22 350 and after i have been riding 350s for about 4 years now i kinda wish i would have got the 450 this go around, but i am riding on map 1, i tried map2 and the 350 is just too much bike in map 2 for me to continuously handle and ride, but i would like to try a 450 on map 1
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i have a 22 350 and after i have been riding 350s for about 4 years now i kinda wish i would have got the 450...
i have a 22 350 and after i have been riding 350s for about 4 years now i kinda wish i would have got the 450 this go around, but i am riding on map 1, i tried map2 and the 350 is just too much bike in map 2 for me to continuously handle and ride, but i would like to try a 450 on map 1
It’s interesting to me the 350 vs 450. 450s you can leave in a taller gear and use very low Rpms with smaller throttle openings and they are quite mellow and still very fast this way.

Where as with 350s you have to let them rev more and larger throttle use, a 350 on the mid-top to me is harder to hold onto then a 450. 350s are like top fuel dragsters on the top end.

The way 450s build power sooner actually makes them easier to ride for my style.

Seems the argument really comes down to personal riding style more than the bike differences.
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DannyST107 wrote:
I’m a decent rider who is 175cm tall and weighs 70kg, after 10 years of 250 2stroke i had the chance to buy new, so went...
I’m a decent rider who is 175cm tall and weighs 70kg, after 10 years of 250 2stroke i had the chance to buy new, so went with a ‘21 350. A 450 is too much bike for me in the sand of the netherlands.

Did some little things to it;

Spring cartridge from reiger in front (400 euros new)
Am on a set on conevalves now.
Hgs exhaust
2stroke filtercage
Carbon air intake
Running black throttle cam
Using vented side panel

Bike is on par with 450 power, exiting a corner it’s slightly less but it catches up quick and able to keep it longer in gears and it keeps pulling.


Exactly, if your a poor cornerer you will lose on the 350, If you can dive in or carry speed the 350 rider can compete at the highest level locally all day long and Hole shots
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DannyST107 wrote:
I’m a decent rider who is 175cm tall and weighs 70kg, after 10 years of 250 2stroke i had the chance to buy new, so went...
I’m a decent rider who is 175cm tall and weighs 70kg, after 10 years of 250 2stroke i had the chance to buy new, so went with a ‘21 350. A 450 is too much bike for me in the sand of the netherlands.

Did some little things to it;

Spring cartridge from reiger in front (400 euros new)
Am on a set on conevalves now.
Hgs exhaust
2stroke filtercage
Carbon air intake
Running black throttle cam
Using vented side panel

Bike is on par with 450 power, exiting a corner it’s slightly less but it catches up quick and able to keep it longer in gears and it keeps pulling.


STLSharky wrote:
Exactly, if your a poor cornerer you will lose on the 350, If you can dive in or carry speed the 350 rider can compete at...
Exactly, if your a poor cornerer you will lose on the 350, If you can dive in or carry speed the 350 rider can compete at the highest level locally all day long and Hole shots
100% agree... all of my buddies ride 450's... They used to be able to hold me off on my 250f down the straights, now that i have my 350, i am blowing there doors off and they are blown away at how strong 3rd gear is on the bike, and i can turn just as good as i did on my 250f

im running 14/52, Vortex mapped by XPR with a FMF.. the bike is a rocket ship, and turns on a dime.. turns better than any 450 ive ever ridden, and it makes me a better rider in so cal with all the hard pack we have.. that initial lack of torque really helps with connection to the rear wheel.. on a 450 i feel the rear would come out on me alot, doesnt happen as much on my 350, i can feel it before it goes now.. on the 450 it was almost instant no traction for me on the slick stuff..
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8/12/2021 12:52pm Edited Date/Time 8/12/2021 12:54pm
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100% agree... all of my buddies ride 450's... They used to be able to hold me off on my 250f down the straights, now that i...
100% agree... all of my buddies ride 450's... They used to be able to hold me off on my 250f down the straights, now that i have my 350, i am blowing there doors off and they are blown away at how strong 3rd gear is on the bike, and i can turn just as good as i did on my 250f

im running 14/52, Vortex mapped by XPR with a FMF.. the bike is a rocket ship, and turns on a dime.. turns better than any 450 ive ever ridden, and it makes me a better rider in so cal with all the hard pack we have.. that initial lack of torque really helps with connection to the rear wheel.. on a 450 i feel the rear would come out on me alot, doesnt happen as much on my 350, i can feel it before it goes now.. on the 450 it was almost instant no traction for me on the slick stuff..
...I tried 14/53 on my 350 a couple months ago on the Glen Helen main with XPR map 2 and MR pro 6.

top end was just ridiculous, especially going up the hill, felt like I was riding a rocket. This was in the morning when it was still ripped deep, bike cut through it like butter.



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i have a 22 350 and after i have been riding 350s for about 4 years now i kinda wish i would have got the 450...
i have a 22 350 and after i have been riding 350s for about 4 years now i kinda wish i would have got the 450 this go around, but i am riding on map 1, i tried map2 and the 350 is just too much bike in map 2 for me to continuously handle and ride, but i would like to try a 450 on map 1
yz133rider wrote:
It’s interesting to me the 350 vs 450. 450s you can leave in a taller gear and use very low Rpms with smaller throttle openings and...
It’s interesting to me the 350 vs 450. 450s you can leave in a taller gear and use very low Rpms with smaller throttle openings and they are quite mellow and still very fast this way.

Where as with 350s you have to let them rev more and larger throttle use, a 350 on the mid-top to me is harder to hold onto then a 450. 350s are like top fuel dragsters on the top end.

The way 450s build power sooner actually makes them easier to ride for my style.

Seems the argument really comes down to personal riding style more than the bike differences.
I agree with this 100%
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350 for sure
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cody41 wrote:
You have to ask yourself if you’re prepared to deal with the worst suspension on the market if you go the 350 route.
I tried the 350 route again and yes the suspension is terrible if you compare it to anything else . I'll take my kx 450 any day
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I'm going to fix this whole argument once and for all. I have a 2020 YZ450, a 2019 KX450, and now a KTM 350. I am going to, once and for all, make the call for you all on whether or not the air forks have to be replaced on the KTM. I'm not one of those assholes that has to justify my purchase by saying "everything is great" with my new bike. I don't give a shit. I'm an old man at 47 and I will give the straight story from my perspective. I'm a 190Lb vet "A" rider and all of my other bikes have Factory Connection suspension that has been tweaked to be good enough. I have used all of the major suspension companies over the years.
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One thing i will say about the KTM....there is a shit ton of grease in the linkage/ steering stem.....wasted my time thinking there would be hardly any grease.
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Sometimes a bike change is good to reinvigorate your riding. I like the challenge of riding different size bikes. I currently ride/race a 93 CR125, 96 CR250, 18 250SX and my 22 ktm350. I enjoy them all and each one has its charms. I can not ride my 350:for a month and then hop on it & ride it like I never stopped. After riding /racing 450”s for the last 15 years, at 54 years old, I was not feeling it on my last 450. I like the 350 so much because it forces you to ride it hard & not be lazy….. just like riding a 2T….
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Sometimes a bike change is good to reinvigorate your riding. I like the challenge of riding different size bikes. I currently ride/race a 93 CR125, 96...
Sometimes a bike change is good to reinvigorate your riding. I like the challenge of riding different size bikes. I currently ride/race a 93 CR125, 96 CR250, 18 250SX and my 22 ktm350. I enjoy them all and each one has its charms. I can not ride my 350:for a month and then hop on it & ride it like I never stopped. After riding /racing 450”s for the last 15 years, at 54 years old, I was not feeling it on my last 450. I like the 350 so much because it forces you to ride it hard & not be lazy….. just like riding a 2T….
I rode my YZ250 yesterday for a change of pace. The track was a little wet. IT SUCKED. Normally i'm a fan of my smoker but the flaws of the motor were exasperated with the conditions I love my smoker but damn.....it took a gnarly track and made it more dangerous because I had to ride so hard to keep up with my homies. Is the smoker finally at such a disadvantage with the development of the 4 stroke motors? I think the free-revving nature of the new 4 strokes has closed the gap on the few advantages of the 2 stroke.
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Moto520 wrote:
I rode my YZ250 yesterday for a change of pace. The track was a little wet. IT SUCKED. Normally i'm a fan of my smoker but...
I rode my YZ250 yesterday for a change of pace. The track was a little wet. IT SUCKED. Normally i'm a fan of my smoker but the flaws of the motor were exasperated with the conditions I love my smoker but damn.....it took a gnarly track and made it more dangerous because I had to ride so hard to keep up with my homies. Is the smoker finally at such a disadvantage with the development of the 4 stroke motors? I think the free-revving nature of the new 4 strokes has closed the gap on the few advantages of the 2 stroke.
I have my 250t setup for sand & my 350 for intermediate to hard pack… It works out great…
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Moto520 wrote:
I rode my YZ250 yesterday for a change of pace. The track was a little wet. IT SUCKED. Normally i'm a fan of my smoker but...
I rode my YZ250 yesterday for a change of pace. The track was a little wet. IT SUCKED. Normally i'm a fan of my smoker but the flaws of the motor were exasperated with the conditions I love my smoker but damn.....it took a gnarly track and made it more dangerous because I had to ride so hard to keep up with my homies. Is the smoker finally at such a disadvantage with the development of the 4 stroke motors? I think the free-revving nature of the new 4 strokes has closed the gap on the few advantages of the 2 stroke.
I have been saying this for the last couple years. The new 250F's give up nothing to a 2 stroke when it comes to lap times. Granted my smoker is older but the lap times are a few seconds slower.
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Moto520 wrote:
One thing i will say about the KTM....there is a shit ton of grease in the linkage/ steering stem.....wasted my time thinking there would be hardly...
One thing i will say about the KTM....there is a shit ton of grease in the linkage/ steering stem.....wasted my time thinking there would be hardly any grease.
Mine was the opposite

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