2021 Talk

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May be a bit early for silly season talk but it’s interesting to think about. How do you think the teams will shape up in 2021 in the 450 class with some 250 riders having to move up? Obviously just a guess but IMO it goes:

Kawi:
Tomac
AC

Honda:
Roczen
Sexton

KTM:
Musquin
Webb

Husky:
Anderson
Osborne
Wilson

Yamaha:
Ferrandis
Plessinger

KTM 2:
Baggett
Barcia
McElrath

JGR:
Savatgy
A Mart?
(Whoever is left!)
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Have to think MCR is going to have a pick of many fast guys. Mookie, Brayton, Davalos?

Is factory Suzuki run by HEP? Will they have the budget to go after a potential top 5 guy?
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Have to think MCR is going to have a pick of many fast guys. Mookie, Brayton, Davalos? Is factory Suzuki run by HEP? Will they have...
Have to think MCR is going to have a pick of many fast guys. Mookie, Brayton, Davalos?

Is factory Suzuki run by HEP? Will they have the budget to go after a potential top 5 guy?
Yeah true, I forgot to mention MCR since I was thinking of teams that do both MX and SX.

HEP is doing outdoors this year and have Antsie but with a Suzuki’s recent involvement I can’t see them signing a big name guy for next year unfortunately...
6/7/2020 6:44pm
Dylan to KTM 3 man team
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Dylan to KTM 3 man team
I can definitely see that but you have to think with what they’re paying both Marvin and Webb is there much of a paycheck to tempt Ferrandis at this time? I feel like maybe Dylan does a 1 or two year deal with Yamaha for big money and once Marvin pulls the curtain he switches. All speculation of course, I have no idea what KTM’s budget is but signing 3 top level riders seems unlikely. I can’t remember the last time a team did that.

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I thought they already said Mc Elrath can ride the 250 another year ?
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mx_phreek wrote:
Dylan to KTM 3 man team
aeffertz wrote:
I can definitely see that but you have to think with what they’re paying both Marvin and Webb is there much of a paycheck to tempt...
I can definitely see that but you have to think with what they’re paying both Marvin and Webb is there much of a paycheck to tempt Ferrandis at this time? I feel like maybe Dylan does a 1 or two year deal with Yamaha for big money and once Marvin pulls the curtain he switches. All speculation of course, I have no idea what KTM’s budget is but signing 3 top level riders seems unlikely. I can’t remember the last time a team did that.
2017 KTM was Dungey, Musquin, and Canard. I don't think that's as expensive a team as it would be to add Dylan right now, but still a strong effort.
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Any talks of DW15 resigning?

Will Barcia stay at Yamaha?

Does Davalos stay at Tedder or end up at Hep or MCR? He’s proven to deserve some sort of factory supported ride.
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BUTWHY? wrote:
Any talks of DW15 resigning? Will Barcia stay at Yamaha? Does Davalos stay at Tedder or end up at Hep or MCR? He’s proven to deserve...
Any talks of DW15 resigning?

Will Barcia stay at Yamaha?

Does Davalos stay at Tedder or end up at Hep or MCR? He’s proven to deserve some sort of factory supported ride.
Here my opinion on your points.

I think Husky would be foolish to not re-sign Wilson if I’m he is still willing to race. His presence on the team is at least worth the weight of his advertising.

Barcia at Yamaha is eerie. The whole “must finish in top 3 for an automatic resign” and recently “must win the championship for an automatic resign” narrative leaves me to think if he doesn’t fulfill those needs Yamaha will quickly look at the up and coming riders moving up, even if Barcia has been their best guy lately. From what I understand, AP is stilled signed through 21 and Barcia has that stipulation. This second half of SX has not looked good for Barcia at all. Which leads me to think maybe they sink the high dollar contract in someone else (Dylan). I know Kawasaki has a history of letting big name go but I really can’t see them letting AC slip through the cracks to another team.

And with the rumors of new management of the Yamaha 450 program next year, and seeing as how Dylan has ripped a YZ450 in the past, the puzzle pieces kinda fall into place. AP already being signed plays a big part in Barcias future at Yamaha IMO.
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Ferrandis on Yamaha next year. McElreth on a Star 450. Who’s Gas Gas?
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Bloss and Bogle will have a hard time finding a ride next year
6/8/2020 12:13am
aeffertz wrote:
May be a bit early for silly season talk but it’s interesting to think about. How do you think the teams will shape up in 2021...
May be a bit early for silly season talk but it’s interesting to think about. How do you think the teams will shape up in 2021 in the 450 class with some 250 riders having to move up? Obviously just a guess but IMO it goes:

Kawi:
Tomac
AC

Honda:
Roczen
Sexton

KTM:
Musquin
Webb

Husky:
Anderson
Osborne
Wilson

Yamaha:
Ferrandis
Plessinger

KTM 2:
Baggett
Barcia
McElrath

JGR:
Savatgy
A Mart?
(Whoever is left!)
What about the GasGas effort? Any word?
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6/8/2020 12:16am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2020 12:16am
aeffertz wrote:
May be a bit early for silly season talk but it’s interesting to think about. How do you think the teams will shape up in 2021...
May be a bit early for silly season talk but it’s interesting to think about. How do you think the teams will shape up in 2021 in the 450 class with some 250 riders having to move up? Obviously just a guess but IMO it goes:

Kawi:
Tomac
AC

Honda:
Roczen
Sexton

KTM:
Musquin
Webb

Husky:
Anderson
Osborne
Wilson

Yamaha:
Ferrandis
Plessinger

KTM 2:
Baggett
Barcia
McElrath

JGR:
Savatgy
A Mart?
(Whoever is left!)
Boomslang wrote:
What about the GasGas effort? Any word?
Probably due to ’rona and the KTM factory shutting down the gasgas might not happen, if it does it would be the same red ktm Glenn rides
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Boomslang wrote:
What about the GasGas effort? Any word?
Probably RMATVMC Gas Gas
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I think Marvin retires and Dylan takes his place.

But then I think Yamaha desperately wants to keep Ferrandis and Monster will no doubt want to keep him too.

Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment.
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6/8/2020 2:43am
MCR has 4 to pick from Hill Mookie Friese and Brayton. Mookie and Brayton should be the clear favorites
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6/8/2020 2:54am
Is there a chance Kenny may not be riding next year, take a sabbatical to clear his health issues.
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6/8/2020 4:34am Edited Date/Time 6/8/2020 6:58am
Snapper wrote:
I think Marvin retires and Dylan takes his place. But then I think Yamaha desperately wants to keep Ferrandis and Monster will no doubt want to...
I think Marvin retires and Dylan takes his place.

But then I think Yamaha desperately wants to keep Ferrandis and Monster will no doubt want to keep him too.

Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment.
"Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment."
Not really, there is a lot of work to do in a very tricky context (around his "growth" especially), with a lot of things at stake, while many unknown, unforeseen.

I really hope that if Ferrandis get into 450 with Yamaha, it will be only within StarRacing. Otherwise it would be an error to him... Among others, Ferrandis isn't a young rider anymore, he has no time to lose in a way.

Kawa and Honda looks perfectly full for 2021, and even if there was some talk for a third bike before the "covid shutdown".
In the KTM group, I only see place at Rocky-Mountain KTM (maybe will switch to Gas-Gas next year), which would be a great union IMO. Also there was some talk before "covid shutdown", for a third bike, but it's even more unlikely than then.
In a unofficial team ? Maybe Honda-SmarTop ? Along Malcom (and instead of Hill and Friese), with nice help from Honda (materially and for the pay) ?
Suz... Seriuosly?... It's a way more well-balanced bike than the Yam. And for few good reasons nowadays "official-team" doesn't mean that much anymore. But now there is none serious team to ride a RMZ for 2021, thus it's impossible (unfortunately IMO).

To keep in mind, Ferrandis and his coach, appreciate to test and settle what they want on their bike...
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aeffertz wrote:
I can definitely see that but you have to think with what they’re paying both Marvin and Webb is there much of a paycheck to tempt...
I can definitely see that but you have to think with what they’re paying both Marvin and Webb is there much of a paycheck to tempt Ferrandis at this time? I feel like maybe Dylan does a 1 or two year deal with Yamaha for big money and once Marvin pulls the curtain he switches. All speculation of course, I have no idea what KTM’s budget is but signing 3 top level riders seems unlikely. I can’t remember the last time a team did that.
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Penrite might have a 450 effort.
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Where will barcia end up? His get passed and try to initiate contact as he gets dropped tactics are getting old.
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Snapper wrote:
I think Marvin retires and Dylan takes his place. But then I think Yamaha desperately wants to keep Ferrandis and Monster will no doubt want to...
I think Marvin retires and Dylan takes his place.

But then I think Yamaha desperately wants to keep Ferrandis and Monster will no doubt want to keep him too.

Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment.
Antonioni wrote:
"[i]Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment.[/i]" Not really, there is a lot of work to do in a very tricky context...
"Can't be a bad time being his agent at the moment."
Not really, there is a lot of work to do in a very tricky context (around his "growth" especially), with a lot of things at stake, while many unknown, unforeseen.

I really hope that if Ferrandis get into 450 with Yamaha, it will be only within StarRacing. Otherwise it would be an error to him... Among others, Ferrandis isn't a young rider anymore, he has no time to lose in a way.

Kawa and Honda looks perfectly full for 2021, and even if there was some talk for a third bike before the "covid shutdown".
In the KTM group, I only see place at Rocky-Mountain KTM (maybe will switch to Gas-Gas next year), which would be a great union IMO. Also there was some talk before "covid shutdown", for a third bike, but it's even more unlikely than then.
In a unofficial team ? Maybe Honda-SmarTop ? Along Malcom (and instead of Hill and Friese), with nice help from Honda (materially and for the pay) ?
Suz... Seriuosly?... It's a way more well-balanced bike than the Yam. And for few good reasons nowadays "official-team" doesn't mean that much anymore. But now there is none serious team to ride a RMZ for 2021, thus it's impossible (unfortunately IMO).

To keep in mind, Ferrandis and his coach, appreciate to test and settle what they want on their bike...
Isn't Button on here and Dylan's agent?
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Conkey wrote:
Isn't Button on here and Dylan's agent?
Yes, from what I know.
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RalphS wrote:
MCR has 4 to pick from Hill Mookie Friese and Brayton. Mookie and Brayton should be the clear favorites
Michael Lindsay said he could see Brayton on the Penrite Honda team with factory equipment next year.
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Ferrandis on Yamaha next year. McElreth on a Star 450. Who’s Gas Gas?
I think Tedder will be the Gas Gas team. Maybe JGR, but that's probably a really outside shot.
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6/8/2020 8:19am
Had a different thought... what are the chances that Tomac retires if he wins the SX title AND wins the outdoor title again? Walk away a champion and healthy. Especially with the new baby.
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I can see Marv’s seat open. No insight, just based on observation.
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ga_pike wrote:
Had a different thought... what are the chances that Tomac retires if he wins the SX title AND wins the outdoor title again? Walk away a...
Had a different thought... what are the chances that Tomac retires if he wins the SX title AND wins the outdoor title again? Walk away a champion and healthy. Especially with the new baby.
Unless the bike takes a step in the wrong direction. I don’t see anyway Eli can’t win 2 more outdoor titles at a minimum. I’d say he hangs it up at 30.
6/8/2020 8:29am
Ferrandis on Yamaha next year. McElreth on a Star 450. Who’s Gas Gas?
MX304 wrote:
I think Tedder will be the Gas Gas team. Maybe JGR, but that's probably a really outside shot.
I doubt GasGas wants the first impression of their brand in the US to be a murdered out Monster bike
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ga_pike wrote:
Had a different thought... what are the chances that Tomac retires if he wins the SX title AND wins the outdoor title again? Walk away a...
Had a different thought... what are the chances that Tomac retires if he wins the SX title AND wins the outdoor title again? Walk away a champion and healthy. Especially with the new baby.
He'll want to try for the repeat in SX if he claims the title this year
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I get the feeling Musquin is retiring.
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