High end boots over rated!?!?!?

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rongi#401 wrote:
Look what I did with a pair of tech 7s, would the outcome have been less severe with higher level boots? Who knows [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427698/s1200_12DD8E7C_3F65_48E2_BAAE_E0D785E07DD7.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427696/s1200_29505132_BB63_46AA_A16C_5FEBD7EF2F32.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427697/s1200_D0138045_19FF_4E39_9335_D31901B36573.jpg[/img]
Look what I did with a pair of tech 7s, would the outcome have been less severe with higher level boots? Who knows



McG194 wrote:
Pictures are pretty hardcore but put it in some context. How long have you been riding? What were you doing? If you are an experienced guy...
Pictures are pretty hardcore but put it in some context. How long have you been riding? What were you doing? If you are an experienced guy that effed up jumping a 70 footer you are not who this thread is directed at. I'm talking about the new guy that lands on the top of a 40 foot table. In most cases he doesn't need the ultimate boots.


I made this thread because during this shutdown I'm seeing so many bikes in trucks and people riding and it makes me think how sometimes as people that are so crazy about this sport and that most of us are gear junkies we scare people away.
rongi#401 wrote:
True, the wreck was literally a highsided and the bike smashed my foot, a very beginner move lol, I posted because I feel like if I...
True, the wreck was literally a highsided and the bike smashed my foot, a very beginner move lol, I posted because I feel like if I was wearing a cheap pair of 100 dollar boots the damage would have been much worse
I was wearing sidi crossfire 2 when I broke my four metatarsal and toes. Not sure any boot could have prevented it. But a good pair of boots helps with my confidence that I am protected.
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Brtp4 wrote:
You are oversimplifying things a bit. You need to also differentiate between soft, "so comfortable" boots and boots with real midsole and shaft rigidity. An entry...
You are oversimplifying things a bit. You need to also differentiate between soft, "so comfortable" boots and boots with real midsole and shaft rigidity.

An entry price Gaerne GX-1 has more of both than the current most popular boot model in the world.

The trend in design is to make boots with bonded soles that are soft and comfy in the showroom. That clearly leads to sales, but it also leads to Lisfranc fractures.



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BP
Does look like my foot, wearing sidi 2 at the time. But I still wear Sidi, now 3.
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Four toes , and four metatarsal. One pin, two bone graphs and one plated and fused lisfranc fracture.
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When I first got my bike I bought Comp 5s because that and my helmet were under $300 so I could use a rebate from my old job and get them for free. I got Instincts on clearance last year and they're amazing in comparison. Aside from the left boot rubbing and occasionally catching a subframe mounting bolt Ive got nothing but good things to say about them

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Brtp4 wrote:
You are oversimplifying things a bit. You need to also differentiate between soft, "so comfortable" boots and boots with real midsole and shaft rigidity. An entry...
You are oversimplifying things a bit. You need to also differentiate between soft, "so comfortable" boots and boots with real midsole and shaft rigidity.

An entry price Gaerne GX-1 has more of both than the current most popular boot model in the world.

The trend in design is to make boots with bonded soles that are soft and comfy in the showroom. That clearly leads to sales, but it also leads to Lisfranc fractures.



Thanks,

BP
charlie68 wrote:
This was wearing a GX-1?
Brtp4 wrote:
NO. It is a Google image of a Lisfranc fracture This injury is easy to get wearing boots that have a lot of flex in the...
NO. It is a Google image of a Lisfranc fracture

This injury is easy to get wearing boots that have a lot of flex in the midsole, which, again, is the current trend in boot design (and wrong IMO).

It would be pretty hard to get it wearing GX-1s, because they have a welt sole and do not fold up in that area.

BP
That's strange, I bought a pair of GX-1's last year and just kick starting my yz 250 hurt the arch of my foot in them. Over jumped and the under cased a couple of jumps and the impact from the peg was very noticeable. I went a bought a pair a tech 5's and feel they are a much better boot in the sole area. Still get good feel on the toes but the arch feels much better protected.
Alpinestars don't last for shit though, I generally get a year out of my tech 5's and then replace them
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3 years ago I was enjoying some laps at the local track wearing my fresh tech 10s , Asterisk knee braces, and 6d helmet

I went otb after overshooting a jump and landing into the face on the following roller

Lacerated my liver and was bleeding out internally, was rushed to trauma and spent 5 days in the ICU

Lesson learned - I’ll never ride without a chest protector.

Make sure to save some boot & helmet money for vital organ protection as well.
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ferg722 wrote:
3 years ago I was enjoying some laps at the local track wearing my fresh tech 10s , Asterisk knee braces, and 6d helmet I went...
3 years ago I was enjoying some laps at the local track wearing my fresh tech 10s , Asterisk knee braces, and 6d helmet

I went otb after overshooting a jump and landing into the face on the following roller

Lacerated my liver and was bleeding out internally, was rushed to trauma and spent 5 days in the ICU

Lesson learned - I’ll never ride without a chest protector.

Make sure to save some boot & helmet money for vital organ protection as well.
I've got a couple friends who ride without one and I think they're fucking insane. Had a big get off last year that left me with severe bruising on the right side of my back and chest. I cant imagine what would have happened if I didnt have one on
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I wore alpinestars tech-1s for the longest time. Never had an issue. Switched to sg-12s because i needed more room in the calf area. If it werent for that i wouldnt buy another pair. Mid level boots is enough for most. $600 is a massive investment and honestly i havent experienced a $500 difference between my tech1s and the sg-12s.
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Andy7 wrote:
The problem with some boots is that they don't offer a great deal of protection. Sure, my previous Tech 7's were more comfortable, lighter and I...
The problem with some boots is that they don't offer a great deal of protection. Sure, my previous Tech 7's were more comfortable, lighter and I could even feel the controls better than with my SG12's, BUT I want my boots to be protective. That's it. When I started riding I wore some Oneal entry level boots. Nothing wrong with them. Don't give a damn about looking cool, buy what meets your budget and riding level. But helmet-boots-knee braces are top priority for me.
Motofinne wrote:
The current gen Tech 10 is very protective, so much that some think it's too stiff.
Yep and I'm one of em..hate my new tech 10's..
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You should buy the most protective equipment you can afford regardless of skill level. Everybody is going the same speed in their heads and shit happens no matter how fast or slow you are.
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Tech 10s are definitely stiff. I caught my toes on a bank and snapped my fib by twisting my leg. Maybe I would have had complete ankle reconstruction in a lesser boot.
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Tech 10s are definitely stiff. I caught my toes on a bank and snapped my fib by twisting my leg. Maybe I would have had complete...
Tech 10s are definitely stiff. I caught my toes on a bank and snapped my fib by twisting my leg. Maybe I would have had complete ankle reconstruction in a lesser boot.
That brings up a whole separate argument. Would the impact have dissipated over the length of the leg had your ankle had some give?

We wear the best boots made and the best knee braces and we brake more femurs and dislocate more hips than ever before. The natural give in our joints are there for a reason. Maybe our bodies weren't designed for stadium whoops but the laws of physics says energy has to go somewhere. Maybe our body protective gear needs to be designed like helmets, not stop the transfer of energy but slow it down to a manageable level.

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Been wearing Tech 3s for about 5 years now. I wear then until the sole wears out, then I pick up another like new pair on ebay for under $100. I race 20-ish events a year, multiple classes. I've never had a complaint with these boots, but I've also never tried on a pair of high end boots.
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I have worn high end boots for the last 10+ years. A couple months ago I forgot my boots at home and a buddy at the track loaned me a pair of Tech 3's. They were ridiculously comfortable (the buckles sucked). Almost like high top basketball shoes. Absolutely no ankle support. If I went a little long on anything it felt like my toes touched my shins.
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Tech 10s are definitely stiff. I caught my toes on a bank and snapped my fib by twisting my leg. Maybe I would have had complete...
Tech 10s are definitely stiff. I caught my toes on a bank and snapped my fib by twisting my leg. Maybe I would have had complete ankle reconstruction in a lesser boot.
McG194 wrote:
That brings up a whole separate argument. Would the impact have dissipated over the length of the leg had your ankle had some give? We wear...
That brings up a whole separate argument. Would the impact have dissipated over the length of the leg had your ankle had some give?

We wear the best boots made and the best knee braces and we brake more femurs and dislocate more hips than ever before. The natural give in our joints are there for a reason. Maybe our bodies weren't designed for stadium whoops but the laws of physics says energy has to go somewhere. Maybe our body protective gear needs to be designed like helmets, not stop the transfer of energy but slow it down to a manageable level.

I’ve thought about that plenty. I was also wearing EVS Web Pro braces which I believe have done more good than harm. There was not a lot of give there. Big picture a broken fib is minor and shouldn’t cause too much issue down the road. Could have been better, but I have a feeling it could’ve been a lot worse in the form of knee or ankle damage.
5/19/2020 8:07am
There's a lot of angles to this, and in short, it depends.

Obviously, high end boots cost more partly because they have the latest technology from a safety perspective, so theoretically, I agree it's a good investment to get better boots. As others have said, spend your money on boots, helmet, knee braces, gloves etc., even if it means sticking with the stock exhaust system.

HOWEVER, there's a few counterpoints to consider.

1. A boot that's too stiff or doesn't fit correctly may make a beginner crash more.
2. A top-of-the-line boot from one brand may not be as safe as a mid-level boot from another
3. The biggest factor, just like helmets, is buy the best one you can afford to replace. I've seen too many guys who buy an $800 helmet, and then keep racing in it for years through multiple big crashes because they invested so much. Boots are the same.
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ferg722 wrote:
3 years ago I was enjoying some laps at the local track wearing my fresh tech 10s , Asterisk knee braces, and 6d helmet I went...
3 years ago I was enjoying some laps at the local track wearing my fresh tech 10s , Asterisk knee braces, and 6d helmet

I went otb after overshooting a jump and landing into the face on the following roller

Lacerated my liver and was bleeding out internally, was rushed to trauma and spent 5 days in the ICU

Lesson learned - I’ll never ride without a chest protector.

Make sure to save some boot & helmet money for vital organ protection as well.
I've got a couple friends who ride without one and I think they're fucking insane. Had a big get off last year that left me with...
I've got a couple friends who ride without one and I think they're fucking insane. Had a big get off last year that left me with severe bruising on the right side of my back and chest. I cant imagine what would have happened if I didnt have one on
Had the discussion with a crew of guys I was with last night. I run a TLD5955 and hardly notice it. Three of the guys riding don’t wear any kind of chest protection, say they can’t get used to one. 😂Just wait till the first punctured lung, cracked ribs etc. I bet they’d get used to them quick.
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I've been wearing tech 5's for years and never had an issue. I replace them yearly as I've usually gone through the sole by then and they are starting to look a little worn.
I'm not an A grade rider but I got every jump on every track I go to. One thing is I don't ride on the balls of my feet, especially when jumping. I always have the arches of my feet on the pegs when jumping so maybe this helps when landing off a big jump in less stiff boots.
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I’m not launching 100 foot triples but I love the current Tech 7 EXCEPT my expansion chamber melts the boot. Sad
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You need another option cause Astars aren't a premium boot they are junk. Sidi is a premium boot and worth it.
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rongi#401 wrote:
Look what I did with a pair of tech 7s, would the outcome have been less severe with higher level boots? Who knows [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427698/s1200_12DD8E7C_3F65_48E2_BAAE_E0D785E07DD7.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427696/s1200_29505132_BB63_46AA_A16C_5FEBD7EF2F32.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/05/16/427697/s1200_D0138045_19FF_4E39_9335_D31901B36573.jpg[/img]
Look what I did with a pair of tech 7s, would the outcome have been less severe with higher level boots? Who knows




This is what happened to my son's foot while wearing alpinestars
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I just bought new tech 10's and friggin hate them! Didn't have a chance to try them on first..
The stupid looking hinged plastic braces on the sides of the inner bootie are annoying, the inner one in the right boot was digging I to my ankle bone so hard I could barely walk..I had to hacksaw through the rivets and get rid of it...fixed that problem..
I was really struggling to decide what to buy...had a pair of Jett boots for many years, but they are falling apart and I can't find parts and can't find new ones except from the USA via eBay and the cost was way beyond reasonable .
I just bought the tech 10's out of frustration..can't really walk into a shop and try any on around here..
Anyway the tech 10 clod hoppers weigh a ton and are super stiff..they are run in now but they are just too much...
I just can't ride my 125 properly with those things on...just makes my gear shifts too clumsy.

Was in a shop this week and they actually had a set of the new Thors in my size...tried them ..bought them..
I haven't actually weighed the boots but they are noticibly lighter than the tech 10's and significantly less bulky
While the tech 10' are without question more protective...they are just too restrictive and heavy for me.
Will have my first ride in the Thors tomorrow.
The tech 10's cost $750 and the Thors cost $399
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There are some budget friendly boots that still offer comfort and protection. Step 1...look at where the boot is made. There are still some reasonably priced boots that come from Italian manufacturers. Designed in Italy and made in China is not the same. Step 2...try them on. From brand to brand and model to model they will all fit a little differently. Pick one that feels good or you'll end up wasting your money only to upgrade in a few months
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PJRAUS wrote:
I just bought new tech 10's and friggin hate them! Didn't have a chance to try them on first.. The stupid looking hinged plastic braces on...
I just bought new tech 10's and friggin hate them! Didn't have a chance to try them on first..
The stupid looking hinged plastic braces on the sides of the inner bootie are annoying, the inner one in the right boot was digging I to my ankle bone so hard I could barely walk..I had to hacksaw through the rivets and get rid of it...fixed that problem..
I was really struggling to decide what to buy...had a pair of Jett boots for many years, but they are falling apart and I can't find parts and can't find new ones except from the USA via eBay and the cost was way beyond reasonable .
I just bought the tech 10's out of frustration..can't really walk into a shop and try any on around here..
Anyway the tech 10 clod hoppers weigh a ton and are super stiff..they are run in now but they are just too much...
I just can't ride my 125 properly with those things on...just makes my gear shifts too clumsy.

Was in a shop this week and they actually had a set of the new Thors in my size...tried them ..bought them..
I haven't actually weighed the boots but they are noticibly lighter than the tech 10's and significantly less bulky
While the tech 10' are without question more protective...they are just too restrictive and heavy for me.
Will have my first ride in the Thors tomorrow.
The tech 10's cost $750 and the Thors cost $399
Just an update..rode a lot of laps on both Saturday and Sunday in the Thors..no run in issues..good to go out of the box.
Also did a track re water both days,, dragging hoses around , in them...all good, but most importantly, I can ride my 125 so much better in them than the tech 10's ,it's ridiculous! It's also looking like the sole on the Thors are going to be a lot tougher and resist footpeg wear a lot better...
If I were going to be casing a big triple on a sx track ( never gonna happen ) yeah... I'd rather be in the tech 10's, but for general motocross use...I'll take the Thors all day.
For me...the tech 10's have been nothing more than a $750 mistake 😥😥
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I broke my Fibula twice since last August wearing Tech 7s. Spiral fractures. I'm 8 weeks into healing from the 2nd break and just rode 3 straight days with my new SG12's. I know for a fact I'm a lot safer now. No comparison really. Look closely around the lower level boot at the unprotected flexible areas that are unshielded by any plastic structure.
I'll never go the cheaper route on safety equipment ever again.
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PJRAUS wrote:
Just an update..rode a lot of laps on both Saturday and Sunday in the Thors..no run in issues..good to go out of the box. Also did...
Just an update..rode a lot of laps on both Saturday and Sunday in the Thors..no run in issues..good to go out of the box.
Also did a track re water both days,, dragging hoses around , in them...all good, but most importantly, I can ride my 125 so much better in them than the tech 10's ,it's ridiculous! It's also looking like the sole on the Thors are going to be a lot tougher and resist footpeg wear a lot better...
If I were going to be casing a big triple on a sx track ( never gonna happen ) yeah... I'd rather be in the tech 10's, but for general motocross use...I'll take the Thors all day.
For me...the tech 10's have been nothing more than a $750 mistake 😥😥
Which Thor boots did you buy?
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PJRAUS wrote:
Just an update..rode a lot of laps on both Saturday and Sunday in the Thors..no run in issues..good to go out of the box. Also did...
Just an update..rode a lot of laps on both Saturday and Sunday in the Thors..no run in issues..good to go out of the box.
Also did a track re water both days,, dragging hoses around , in them...all good, but most importantly, I can ride my 125 so much better in them than the tech 10's ,it's ridiculous! It's also looking like the sole on the Thors are going to be a lot tougher and resist footpeg wear a lot better...
If I were going to be casing a big triple on a sx track ( never gonna happen ) yeah... I'd rather be in the tech 10's, but for general motocross use...I'll take the Thors all day.
For me...the tech 10's have been nothing more than a $750 mistake 😥😥
wrc777 wrote:
Which Thor boots did you buy?
Thor Radial...Ill weigh them up against the tech 10's on dome scales when i get a chance

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