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Because of covid?
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HazemG 4/8/2020 10:38pm
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I looked it up in the Covid-18 handbook, it said we should look to expect an eleven day delay in motorcycles in the event Covid-19 occurs.
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MZ193 4/8/2020 11:28pm
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Rumor is that 2021 models may be the same as 2020 for most brands.
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aaryn #234 4/8/2020 11:33pm
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Manufactures are going to use this delay to realign everything. The 2021 Model will now actually be released and sold in 2021, not may of 2020 Smile
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chuckdavies 4/9/2020 12:58am
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I'm also hearing extra 20's, no 2021 models being released. We'll see how true it is but it would make sense.

if not i feel sorry for people who have barely used 20s. Imagine having bought a 2020 crf450, ran it in, now when this is over you have to try and sell a second hand, old-shape crf450. Lost half your money!
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chuckdavies wrote:
I'm also hearing extra 20's, no 2021 models being released. We'll see how true it is but it would make sense. if not i feel sorry...
I'm also hearing extra 20's, no 2021 models being released. We'll see how true it is but it would make sense.

if not i feel sorry for people who have barely used 20s. Imagine having bought a 2020 crf450, ran it in, now when this is over you have to try and sell a second hand, old-shape crf450. Lost half your money!
Seller unluck’s, client deal!
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sandtrack315 4/9/2020 3:46am
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I’m no expert but I assume the 2021 models are finalized already. If anything you’ll see sparse stock of 2020 models. This is what’s occurring with Honda automobiles.
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metal_miracle 4/9/2020 5:29am
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Since 2020 production is at a halt maybe they are using the downtime to rig up the new model molds. So that they got a new model for when this is all done.
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49weasel 4/9/2020 5:37am
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I would say everything should go off as normal, but I would guess we will see some huge rebates in May or June when restriction get lifted.
project racer 4/9/2020 6:08am
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There is a lot near my place where new cars are brought in by train. Usually , it is about 1/4 -1/3 full. Right now, it is packed with new cars, box cars full of vehicles sitting on the tracks in the yard and no room to unload them.

I see closeout deals on older models as the norm for at least the next year or so.
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mb60 4/9/2020 6:18am
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Maybe they will come out like they did back in the old days around November. Blows me away these new models are available in June these days.
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kb228 4/9/2020 6:43am
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I doubt they come out. The auto industry is mostly shut down. I was told honda layed off a huge amount of people. The place i work is a tooling supply for the automotive companies and its slowed down. Id imagine the bikes are the same.
mattyhamz2 4/9/2020 6:55am
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Maybe they will come out like they did back in the old days around November. Blows me away these new models are available in June these...
Maybe they will come out like they did back in the old days around November. Blows me away these new models are available in June these days.
Why does it blow you away that the newest model year comes out in June? That guarantees that the teams can start working on next years bike even earlier and if they wanted, could race it before the nationals end. Look at Kawasaki and RV in 2011.
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soggy 4/9/2020 7:17am
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suzuki's newest models are already available Grinning

all kidding aside i think we see bng from most brands if we get new models at all.
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sandtrack315 4/9/2020 7:24am
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You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial interest to not hit the go button? That’s insane. I do bet that that 2022 and 2023 models won’t have much innovation. But the 2021s are already done.
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soggy 4/9/2020 7:32am
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You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial...
You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial interest to not hit the go button? That’s insane. I do bet that that 2022 and 2023 models won’t have much innovation. But the 2021s are already done.
im sure they want too but they might not be able too. Honda has shut down some of there automotive production. Doing a quick search it seems like they might be cranking out motorcycles still. KTM and Yamaha halted production so at best you have to imagine there bikes will be delayed.

good point though that the 2021 production was already in place. Perhaps we just experience a delay for the 2021 models.
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sandtrack315 4/9/2020 7:36am
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You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial...
You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial interest to not hit the go button? That’s insane. I do bet that that 2022 and 2023 models won’t have much innovation. But the 2021s are already done.
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im sure they want too but they might not be able too. Honda has shut down some of there automotive production. Doing a quick search it...
im sure they want too but they might not be able too. Honda has shut down some of there automotive production. Doing a quick search it seems like they might be cranking out motorcycles still. KTM and Yamaha halted production so at best you have to imagine there bikes will be delayed.

good point though that the 2021 production was already in place. Perhaps we just experience a delay for the 2021 models.
Right, totally reasonable to expect delays of the 2021 models and limited 2020 models in the meantime. Totally insane to think they’d not make the 2021 when it won’t cost them anything extra, compared to making the 2020, to do so.
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soggy 4/9/2020 7:46am
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sandtrack315 wrote:
You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial...
You really think Honda, who is racing the 2021 450 already, and already has the manufacturing dialed to mass produce it, thinks it’s in their financial interest to not hit the go button? That’s insane. I do bet that that 2022 and 2023 models won’t have much innovation. But the 2021s are already done.
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im sure they want too but they might not be able too. Honda has shut down some of there automotive production. Doing a quick search it...
im sure they want too but they might not be able too. Honda has shut down some of there automotive production. Doing a quick search it seems like they might be cranking out motorcycles still. KTM and Yamaha halted production so at best you have to imagine there bikes will be delayed.

good point though that the 2021 production was already in place. Perhaps we just experience a delay for the 2021 models.
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Right, totally reasonable to expect delays of the 2021 models and limited 2020 models in the meantime. Totally insane to think they’d not make the 2021...
Right, totally reasonable to expect delays of the 2021 models and limited 2020 models in the meantime. Totally insane to think they’d not make the 2021 when it won’t cost them anything extra, compared to making the 2020, to do so.
i would presume most of the 2020 models came off the production line long ago? no?

Availability of leftover models is already scarce in my area.
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sandtrack315 4/9/2020 7:49am
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i would presume most of the 2020 models came off the production line long ago? no?

Availability of leftover models is already scarce in my area.
Not sure, I know Honda was making a lot 2020 Ridgelines in Alabama until that plant got shut down.

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Falcon 4/9/2020 7:59am
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Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away all that work because of Covid-19. It would be far more costly to change all the tooling and supply chain to go back to 2020 specs.
Where we will likely see fallout is in coming model years.if the factories have had their labor force significantly interrupted and the sales of '19, '20 and '21 bikes are slow, then it is likely that there will be less innovation for '22. There is real pressure for a "brand-new" model to sell well, and sometimes the OEM would rather push it back a year than release a superior model which doesn't move units. With lots of late-model product in the pipeline, this is probably already being discussed. (Already decided, most likely.)
What you guys have to remember is that any company which does business in the Billions of dollars is not caught by surprise by a massive downturn. They already have plans in place for something exactly like this.
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soggy 4/9/2020 8:09am
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Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away...
Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away all that work because of Covid-19. It would be far more costly to change all the tooling and supply chain to go back to 2020 specs.
Where we will likely see fallout is in coming model years.if the factories have had their labor force significantly interrupted and the sales of '19, '20 and '21 bikes are slow, then it is likely that there will be less innovation for '22. There is real pressure for a "brand-new" model to sell well, and sometimes the OEM would rather push it back a year than release a superior model which doesn't move units. With lots of late-model product in the pipeline, this is probably already being discussed. (Already decided, most likely.)
What you guys have to remember is that any company which does business in the Billions of dollars is not caught by surprise by a massive downturn. They already have plans in place for something exactly like this.
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US has given out to banks, automotive and airlines in the past to keep them afloat when they failed to be prepared for these situations.
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Falcon 4/9/2020 8:26am
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Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away...
Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away all that work because of Covid-19. It would be far more costly to change all the tooling and supply chain to go back to 2020 specs.
Where we will likely see fallout is in coming model years.if the factories have had their labor force significantly interrupted and the sales of '19, '20 and '21 bikes are slow, then it is likely that there will be less innovation for '22. There is real pressure for a "brand-new" model to sell well, and sometimes the OEM would rather push it back a year than release a superior model which doesn't move units. With lots of late-model product in the pipeline, this is probably already being discussed. (Already decided, most likely.)
What you guys have to remember is that any company which does business in the Billions of dollars is not caught by surprise by a massive downturn. They already have plans in place for something exactly like this.
soggy wrote:
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US...
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US has given out to banks, automotive and airlines in the past to keep them afloat when they failed to be prepared for these situations.
My entire worldview would be very much shattered if banks, automotive and airlines didn't already have those bailout funds written into their disaster recovery plans. They have a plan if there aren't any funds and another for if a bailout happens. In other words, "When we get these excess funds, how will we spend them?"
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soggy 4/9/2020 8:33am
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Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away...
Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away all that work because of Covid-19. It would be far more costly to change all the tooling and supply chain to go back to 2020 specs.
Where we will likely see fallout is in coming model years.if the factories have had their labor force significantly interrupted and the sales of '19, '20 and '21 bikes are slow, then it is likely that there will be less innovation for '22. There is real pressure for a "brand-new" model to sell well, and sometimes the OEM would rather push it back a year than release a superior model which doesn't move units. With lots of late-model product in the pipeline, this is probably already being discussed. (Already decided, most likely.)
What you guys have to remember is that any company which does business in the Billions of dollars is not caught by surprise by a massive downturn. They already have plans in place for something exactly like this.
soggy wrote:
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US...
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US has given out to banks, automotive and airlines in the past to keep them afloat when they failed to be prepared for these situations.
Falcon wrote:
My entire worldview would be very much shattered if banks, automotive and airlines didn't already have those bailout funds written into their disaster recovery plans. They...
My entire worldview would be very much shattered if banks, automotive and airlines didn't already have those bailout funds written into their disaster recovery plans. They have a plan if there aren't any funds and another for if a bailout happens. In other words, "When we get these excess funds, how will we spend them?"
i dont even know what your trying to say there about your world view. but im not going down this wormhole any further.
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Kennyfreemoney 4/9/2020 8:42am
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Falcon wrote:
Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away...
Anything manufactured in 2020 is a 2021 model. Also, the OEMs have already been preparing these bikes for years. They aren't going to simply throw away all that work because of Covid-19. It would be far more costly to change all the tooling and supply chain to go back to 2020 specs.
Where we will likely see fallout is in coming model years.if the factories have had their labor force significantly interrupted and the sales of '19, '20 and '21 bikes are slow, then it is likely that there will be less innovation for '22. There is real pressure for a "brand-new" model to sell well, and sometimes the OEM would rather push it back a year than release a superior model which doesn't move units. With lots of late-model product in the pipeline, this is probably already being discussed. (Already decided, most likely.)
What you guys have to remember is that any company which does business in the Billions of dollars is not caught by surprise by a massive downturn. They already have plans in place for something exactly like this.
I cant say for sure how Motorcycle manufacturing cycles work, but for cars, anything built after Aug 1 is the next model year. Not January 1.
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Kenny Lingus 4/9/2020 8:53am
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I thought most OEM's built their bikes in Jan/Feb? If that's true I'd imagine the distribution of them will be what holds them up.
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Falcon 4/9/2020 9:02am
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soggy wrote:
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US...
Good points but I have to laugh hysterically at that last paragraph, cause that definitely is not true. Just look at the rescue packages the US has given out to banks, automotive and airlines in the past to keep them afloat when they failed to be prepared for these situations.
Falcon wrote:
My entire worldview would be very much shattered if banks, automotive and airlines didn't already have those bailout funds written into their disaster recovery plans. They...
My entire worldview would be very much shattered if banks, automotive and airlines didn't already have those bailout funds written into their disaster recovery plans. They have a plan if there aren't any funds and another for if a bailout happens. In other words, "When we get these excess funds, how will we spend them?"
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i dont even know what your trying to say there about your world view. but im not going down this wormhole any further.
Grinning OK man. Cheers.

My point was that big businesses know how to plan for disasters, that's all. Some disasters are bigger than others; I'll give you that.
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Falcon 4/9/2020 9:08am
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Kenny Lingus wrote:
I thought most OEM's built their bikes in Jan/Feb? If that's true I'd imagine the distribution of them will be what holds them up.
The OEM I worked for recently manufactures motorcycles year-round at several facilities. Anything built in '19 is a '20. Anything in '20 is a '21 and so on. The last project I worked on was for accessories on a new 2019 ATV. It was released in June of '18 and the first production models rolled off the line in February of '18. You are right; they have to make a lot of these things and transport them all over the world. It takes time.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think Federal Regulations recognize vehicle model years by the manufacture date, and I think it's from Jan1-Dec31. KennyFreeMoney are you sure about the automotive manufacture dates?

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adamdf 6/21/2020 5:22pm
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Any updates on 2021 release dates from the Japanese and the Austrians ?

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