Tomac Could Pass RC

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Overdue for RETIRING the #4 jersey. Sorry Blake , but the jersey should have been retired. Out of respect , riders should refuse the number. No one will ever be able to represent it correctly.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
BobbyM wrote:
Herlings would smoke both of em.
Bobby, dude.....pass the reefer. You are a badass I know, but to compare Herlings to RC and his records, and his speed in both MX and SX, and the Nations? He beat Everts like a rented mule when they were both in their prime. Herlings is not in RC's snack bracket, period. Neither is Tomac, as fast as he can be at times but his entire body of work pales in comparison. And Tomac is a beast, as is Herlings. RC will go as fast as he needs to go to beat anyone, and he proved that time and time again.
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Rick Amatuzio 4/4/2020 4:33am
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
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SMDH! Math is hard, huh? Don't worry, thanks to COVID-19 and literally having nothing else to do I figured the math out for you bud. Case...
SMDH! Math is hard, huh? Don't worry, thanks to COVID-19 and literally having nothing else to do I figured the math out for you bud.

Case study: Tomac could pass RC

Ricky Carmichael

260 - total professional races
162 - total professional wins
62.3% - professional win percentage
216 - total professional podiums
83% - total professional podiums percentage

21 - total professional championship series competed
16- total professional championships
76.1% - professional championship win percentage

Eli Tomac

232 - total professional races
73 - total professional wins
31.4% - professional win percentage
144 - total professional podiums
62% - total professional podiums percentage

19- total professional championship series competed
5 - total professional championships
26.3% - professional championship win percentage

Conclusion: No. Tomac could not pass RC in literally anything relating to SX/MX.

Well done.. such impressive numbers. I would love to see Ricky battle RV and Herlings. If RV went into warp mode, I bet RC finds a way to go warp 1.2.

Eli is so awesome but RC is just.... RC.. and he is becoming funny AND enjoyable now like RV. I would love to drink beer with RV
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NvHermit wrote:
RC has short legs so he's at a disadvantage.
Only in the “hoops”

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whateversclever69 4/4/2020 4:48am
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Isn’t Dungey still ahead of Tomac statistically? I understand that Tomac is a once in a few year phenomenon as far as raw speed, but there are a few dudes in the last 20 years with better stats...

I believe in SX All time wins he’s 7th
And in MX 3rd or 4th.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
BobbyM wrote:
Herlings would smoke both of em.
bents wrote:
Bobby, dude.....pass the reefer. You are a badass I know, but to compare Herlings to RC and his records, and his speed in both MX and...
Bobby, dude.....pass the reefer. You are a badass I know, but to compare Herlings to RC and his records, and his speed in both MX and SX, and the Nations? He beat Everts like a rented mule when they were both in their prime. Herlings is not in RC's snack bracket, period. Neither is Tomac, as fast as he can be at times but his entire body of work pales in comparison. And Tomac is a beast, as is Herlings. RC will go as fast as he needs to go to beat anyone, and he proved that time and time again.
#peoplewhodontgetsarcasm
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Rick Amatuzio wrote:
Well done.. such impressive numbers. I would love to see Ricky battle RV and Herlings. If RV went into warp mode, I bet RC finds a...
Well done.. such impressive numbers. I would love to see Ricky battle RV and Herlings. If RV went into warp mode, I bet RC finds a way to go warp 1.2.

Eli is so awesome but RC is just.... RC.. and he is becoming funny AND enjoyable now like RV. I would love to drink beer with RV
Chad beat RV and RD straight up outdoors when he was almost 30 years old, he never beat RC. Something to think about...
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ProbablyDave 4/4/2020 5:39am
4/4/2020 5:39am
Titles and records aside, I don't think anyone can ride a dirt bike faster then Stewart and Carmichael did during the 2006 MX season.
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motonation24 4/4/2020 6:30am
4/4/2020 6:30am
Here’s a fact I just pulled from the Vault on RC:
Jan 18th, 2003 to feb 18th, 2006.
71 straight podiums in professional competition.
Every SX main and Outdoor national he was on podium for in this time.
Dungey had a streak as well I’ll have to check.
Also interesting Davi Milsaps never won an outdoor race. (Bored in Iso checking random rider results lol)
Not sure what the OP was on about either. I think Tomac will be doing well if he can get to 50 SX wins and 50 Outdoor wins. Probably realistic over the next 2-3 seasons and then I think he retires
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ProbablyDave wrote:
Titles and records aside, I don't think anyone can ride a dirt bike faster then Stewart and Carmichael did during the 2006 MX season.
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant finish.
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ProbablyDave wrote:
Titles and records aside, I don't think anyone can ride a dirt bike faster then Stewart and Carmichael did during the 2006 MX season.
mxb2 wrote:
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant...
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant finish.
Do you have to shit on every topic that isn't praising Tomac ?
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ProbablyDave wrote:
Titles and records aside, I don't think anyone can ride a dirt bike faster then Stewart and Carmichael did during the 2006 MX season.
mxb2 wrote:
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant...
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant finish.
NvHermit wrote:
Do you have to shit on every topic that isn't praising Tomac ?
Wtf are you talking about, i posted speed doesnt mean shit unless you can finish. Kinda the point of races. Keep trolling.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
BobbyM wrote:
Herlings would smoke both of em.
bents wrote:
Bobby, dude.....pass the reefer. You are a badass I know, but to compare Herlings to RC and his records, and his speed in both MX and...
Bobby, dude.....pass the reefer. You are a badass I know, but to compare Herlings to RC and his records, and his speed in both MX and SX, and the Nations? He beat Everts like a rented mule when they were both in their prime. Herlings is not in RC's snack bracket, period. Neither is Tomac, as fast as he can be at times but his entire body of work pales in comparison. And Tomac is a beast, as is Herlings. RC will go as fast as he needs to go to beat anyone, and he proved that time and time again.
Well I still say herlings has tomacs number... Maybe not rc's.
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UpTiTe 4/4/2020 7:46am
4/4/2020 7:46am
After what I saw in Daytona, yea, Eli could pass RC. Pretty easily at that, RC looked rough in those woops.
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ProbablyDave 4/4/2020 9:02am
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mxb2 wrote:
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant...
Well, they race for wins, titles, isnt that the point of racing? If not why keep stats, ama record books. Speed means nothing if ya cant finish.
NvHermit wrote:
Do you have to shit on every topic that isn't praising Tomac ?
mxb2 wrote:
Wtf are you talking about, i posted speed doesnt mean shit unless you can finish. Kinda the point of races. Keep trolling.
You know Carmichael finished and won in 2006, right? And even though Stewart crashed out, he came back and was the only person to challenge RC, winning the overall in Washougal. My comment was just to add praise to Carmichael. Not only did he win more championships than anyone else, but at his peak he was riding faster than anyone ever has, including Tomac when he's going "beast mode."
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NvHermit wrote:
Do you have to shit on every topic that isn't praising Tomac ?
mxb2 wrote:
Wtf are you talking about, i posted speed doesnt mean shit unless you can finish. Kinda the point of races. Keep trolling.
ProbablyDave wrote:
You know Carmichael finished and won in 2006, right? And even though Stewart crashed out, he came back and was the only person to challenge RC...
You know Carmichael finished and won in 2006, right? And even though Stewart crashed out, he came back and was the only person to challenge RC, winning the overall in Washougal. My comment was just to add praise to Carmichael. Not only did he win more championships than anyone else, but at his peak he was riding faster than anyone ever has, including Tomac when he's going "beast mode."
Rc is the Goat, not even close. That was my point.
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motonation24 wrote:
Here’s a fact I just pulled from the Vault on RC: Jan 18th, 2003 to feb 18th, 2006. 71 straight podiums in professional competition. Every SX...
Here’s a fact I just pulled from the Vault on RC:
Jan 18th, 2003 to feb 18th, 2006.
71 straight podiums in professional competition.
Every SX main and Outdoor national he was on podium for in this time.
Dungey had a streak as well I’ll have to check.
Also interesting Davi Milsaps never won an outdoor race. (Bored in Iso checking random rider results lol)
Not sure what the OP was on about either. I think Tomac will be doing well if he can get to 50 SX wins and 50 Outdoor wins. Probably realistic over the next 2-3 seasons and then I think he retires
Millsaps might have never won an overall but he did win the 1st moto at Thunder Valley in 2007. Maybe more but I know I saw that the other day when I was looking at results.

Also, we will see how long Eli races but I dont believe he will get tp 50 in sx or mx. Maybe 40, but I highly doubt 50. Remember he has a little girl coming in like a month, that will change things.

Maybe he will pull a Reed and keep racing, but I doubt it. I think we may see one, possibly 2 more seasons out of Eli, although thats a complete guess on my part.

Lets see how being a dad affects him and how his results are finishing out this year.
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Less races this year & Harder next year with AC ,DF, CS in the mix with the usual suspects of KR & expecting CW to get back to his SX form.
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Tomac already passed RD in SX wins without a championship. Much like MC and his 7 SX championships with 72 SX wins Tomac’s record will probably never be broken.
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Mit12 wrote:
Tomac already passed RD in SX wins without a championship. Much like MC and his 7 SX championships with 72 SX wins Tomac’s record will probably...
Tomac already passed RD in SX wins without a championship. Much like MC and his 7 SX championships with 72 SX wins Tomac’s record will probably never be broken.
Not exactly a record anyone aspires to have.
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pelted wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/04/416732/s1200_RC_36.jpg[/img]

And for those who might have not had the privilege of watching him race, there’s a 99.99% chance he was in cruise mode for the final 20 minutes. That gap could have been much larger.
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Boomslang wrote:
He will have a tough time topping Carmichael's two perfect seasons.
downard254 wrote:
And let’s not forget his 1 nearly perfect season on top of that. I believe he went 23 for 24 one season if not mistaken. RC...
And let’s not forget his 1 nearly perfect season on top of that. I believe he went 23 for 24 one season if not mistaken. RC was a bad Mofo who hated to lose.
22 for 24. Once, he fell and handed a sure win to Chad Reed. The other time was the infamous Stewart jumping on his back at Unadilla, after which he angrily jumped up and finished second.
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RC won every overall in three MX seasons.

2002, 2004, 2005.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
BobbyM wrote:
Herlings would smoke both of em.
Bad Bobb.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
kongols wrote:
You skipped intro.
No, skipped logic.
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Skip Intro wrote:
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably...
With this SX title and an outdoor championship he would be down 1. 27 years old, it's possible. In light of tossing a few already arguably, it would be incredible.
Tate517 wrote:
SMDH! Math is hard, huh? Don't worry, thanks to COVID-19 and literally having nothing else to do I figured the math out for you bud. Case...
SMDH! Math is hard, huh? Don't worry, thanks to COVID-19 and literally having nothing else to do I figured the math out for you bud.

Case study: Tomac could pass RC

Ricky Carmichael

260 - total professional races
162 - total professional wins
62.3% - professional win percentage
216 - total professional podiums
83% - total professional podiums percentage

21 - total professional championship series competed
16- total professional championships
76.1% - professional championship win percentage

Eli Tomac

232 - total professional races
73 - total professional wins
31.4% - professional win percentage
144 - total professional podiums
62% - total professional podiums percentage

19- total professional championship series competed
5 - total professional championships
26.3% - professional championship win percentage

Conclusion: No. Tomac could not pass RC in literally anything relating to SX/MX.

Rick Amatuzio wrote:
Well done.. such impressive numbers. I would love to see Ricky battle RV and Herlings. If RV went into warp mode, I bet RC finds a...
Well done.. such impressive numbers. I would love to see Ricky battle RV and Herlings. If RV went into warp mode, I bet RC finds a way to go warp 1.2.

Eli is so awesome but RC is just.... RC.. and he is becoming funny AND enjoyable now like RV. I would love to drink beer with RV
Here's some stats for you:

In the 450 MX class, RC's win percentage is 86.51% of overalls.

450 MX moto wins is 79.87%

To put this all in perspective, RC's win percentage in the 2001 SX season was 87.5%. (Won 14 out of 16 races).

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MX Win percentage against Stewart

RC & Stewart raced each other 23-times
Carmichael won 20 out of 23
Carmichael's win percentage over Bubba = 86.9%
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Indian_Dunes_4ever 4/4/2020 6:11pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Not exactly a record anyone aspires to have.
oooh man.....now you did it.

Buzzzingggggg!!!

lol

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pelted wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/04/04/416732/s1200_RC_36.jpg[/img]

You just gotta love the look on the mechanics face......

Priceless.
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It's because he had red hair, isn't it
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