SPY PHOTO – Honda CRF450 Factory 2021

Black Diesel Bomber 1/23/2020 9:10am
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399810/s1200_5e287bf96ed3f0.91837565.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399811/s1200_5e2880a8ab7099.55632192.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399812/s1200_5e287f0b4f0157.52116716.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399813/s1200_5e287e038800d0.49633115.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399814/s1200_5e28718e2bb714.46842554.jpg[/img]





Wow, this looks like a bike to be excited about. Haven't bought a Honda in years but this bike looks to be worth considering.

The only nit pick I have from an aesthetic point of view is the header pipe could be more rounded instead of square, but that's no big deal. The bike looks amazing and it looks like it shed many pounds. Glad to see a single fart can too.
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chrisgg90 1/23/2020 9:11am
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Is it the new Honda or a 2010 KTM in drag ? The 2020 is a much nicer looking bike in my opinion
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Black Diesel Bomber 1/23/2020 9:20am
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chrisgg90 wrote:
Is it the new Honda or a 2010 KTM in drag ? The 2020 is a much nicer looking bike in my opinion
The KTM and Honda definitely had sex....and this their offspring. It proves how well KTM has been doing considering Honda copied them.

I though the 2020 Honda bike looked amazing but it already looks chunky to me now after one look next to the '21
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#434 1/23/2020 11:49am
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Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium!

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Dirty Points 1/23/2020 11:52am
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#434 wrote:
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399911/s1200_frame.jpg[/img]
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium!

I would assume cast/forged in production?
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#434 wrote:
Engine seems to have no significant changes. So no hydro clutch.
llaliberte22 wrote:
Engine definitely has some change just looking at the central exhaus port. Bottom might be the same tho
#434 wrote:
Yes, you are right. Head is new, but rest seems unchanged, hence no hydro clutch.
Personally, I would be happy if it stays at a cable, but thats my preference, I know a few here prefer a hydro Smile
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llaliberte22 wrote:
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399835/s1200_5e270dfff28da0.27643517.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399834/s1200_5e270a3baffb05.07568349.jpg[/img]
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case



Whadya think is in the black box above the clutch receptor?
ECU? Battery?
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llaliberte22 wrote:
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399835/s1200_5e270dfff28da0.27643517.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399834/s1200_5e270a3baffb05.07568349.jpg[/img]
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case



GODZILLA wrote:
Whadya think is in the black box above the clutch receptor?
ECU? Battery?
Maybe ride by wire box
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Those frame welds look like they were done by a blind guy on his first day using a TIG welder. This isn't a friggin Suzuki or Yamaha boy...you're welding a Honda. WTF??????
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#434 wrote:
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399911/s1200_frame.jpg[/img]
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium!

Dirty Points wrote:
I would assume cast/forged in production?
Definitly! Just shows that it‘s a true works bike. Don‘t see that often anymore.
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Dirty Points 1/23/2020 1:13pm
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llaliberte22 wrote:
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399835/s1200_5e270dfff28da0.27643517.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399834/s1200_5e270a3baffb05.07568349.jpg[/img]
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case



GODZILLA wrote:
Whadya think is in the black box above the clutch receptor?
ECU? Battery?
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You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy.




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I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda




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tobz wrote:
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399961/s1200_full_5e2706b6cfb6b1.15221336_547856.jpg[/img]...
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy.




yeah you would think, and more singular wiring looms and plugs.

But i guess from a cost saving point of view their might be a lot more of each individual part made than if they combines them into a CRF450 specific all in part.

Although i wonder if it as cluttered on the production bike?
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moscrop940 wrote:
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399982/s1200_31550366_15E4_41BE_806D_20A279CBC7F0.jpg[/img]
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda




you are the only one
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Is that tube that goes over the bar pad just a breather hose? it seems unnecessarily long
Dirty Points 1/23/2020 7:19pm
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Zacka 161 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/stories/2020/01/23/fuller_5e27092925d884.26333572_367558.jpg[/img] Is that tube that goes over the bar pad just a breather hose? it seems unnecessarily long


Is that tube that goes over the bar pad just a breather hose? it seems unnecessarily long
That's the hydro clutch hose right? You can see the breather just below it going to the stem nut.
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moscrop940 wrote:
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399982/s1200_31550366_15E4_41BE_806D_20A279CBC7F0.jpg[/img]
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda




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you are the only one
Grab hole on the radiator shroud, tiny rear plates, and an overbearing rear exhaust?

Hell...maybe I’m nuts, but that’s damn close in my opinion
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Zacka 161 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/stories/2020/01/23/fuller_5e27092925d884.26333572_367558.jpg[/img] Is that tube that goes over the bar pad just a breather hose? it seems unnecessarily long


Is that tube that goes over the bar pad just a breather hose? it seems unnecessarily long
Dirty Points wrote:
That's the hydro clutch hose right? You can see the breather just below it going to the stem nut.
Yep, that's it.
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I've got a gut feeling that Jett Lawrence and HRC will be lethal in 2023.
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MOTO1313 wrote:
Those frame welds look like they were done by a blind guy on his first day using a TIG welder. This isn't a friggin Suzuki or...
Those frame welds look like they were done by a blind guy on his first day using a TIG welder. This isn't a friggin Suzuki or Yamaha boy...you're welding a Honda. WTF??????
Check a lot of pictures of many HRC frames - especially MotoGP.

Rarely are they the 'prettiest'.

I suspect they may have some old, half blind, slightly unsteady Master Fabricators there that, like me, don't slavishly rely on Pulse Settings. They might not make a few happy that crave said 'prettiness', but I guarrandamntee that they are sound welds.
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moscrop940 wrote:
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399982/s1200_31550366_15E4_41BE_806D_20A279CBC7F0.jpg[/img]
I can’t be the only one who thought of this upon the first time seeing the new Honda




Zacka 161 wrote:
you are the only one
moscrop940 wrote:
Grab hole on the radiator shroud, tiny rear plates, and an overbearing rear exhaust?

Hell...maybe I’m nuts, but that’s damn close in my opinion
your nuts. has two wheels a motor and suspension, just like a Penton!
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#434 wrote:
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399911/s1200_frame.jpg[/img]
Lower part of the frame is milled from a solid piece of aluminium!

Dirty Points wrote:
I would assume cast/forged in production?
It looks like a die casting, perhaps a forging, rather than machined.
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tobz wrote:
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399961/s1200_full_5e2706b6cfb6b1.15221336_547856.jpg[/img]...
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy.




Zacka 161 wrote:
yeah you would think, and more singular wiring looms and plugs. But i guess from a cost saving point of view their might be a lot...
yeah you would think, and more singular wiring looms and plugs.

But i guess from a cost saving point of view their might be a lot more of each individual part made than if they combines them into a CRF450 specific all in part.

Although i wonder if it as cluttered on the production bike?
It is cluttered and could do with some integration. That switch could easily and cleanly come off the clutch MC mount bolts.

This is pretty obviously a works bike with a lot of pre production parts on it. I think the factory would argue that the major controls location takes priority over the switches
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tobz wrote:
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399961/s1200_full_5e2706b6cfb6b1.15221336_547856.jpg[/img]...
You'd think with all work that goes on with shedding weight, they'd be able to incorporate control buttons onto existing clamps. Cos this looks heavy.




Zacka 161 wrote:
yeah you would think, and more singular wiring looms and plugs. But i guess from a cost saving point of view their might be a lot...
yeah you would think, and more singular wiring looms and plugs.

But i guess from a cost saving point of view their might be a lot more of each individual part made than if they combines them into a CRF450 specific all in part.

Although i wonder if it as cluttered on the production bike?
Momus wrote:
It is cluttered and could do with some integration. That switch could easily and cleanly come off the clutch MC mount bolts. This is pretty obviously...
It is cluttered and could do with some integration. That switch could easily and cleanly come off the clutch MC mount bolts.

This is pretty obviously a works bike with a lot of pre production parts on it. I think the factory would argue that the major controls location takes priority over the switches
Starter button could be relocated and free up space. It doesn’t have to be on bar IMO
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Seems like they are running wider bar setup just to have room for all the controls. Someone make this bike some handguards that come from the triple clamp area, and move the buttons to the clamps for the clutch and brake lever. What a mess lol
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llaliberte22 wrote:
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399835/s1200_5e270dfff28da0.27643517.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2020/01/23/399834/s1200_5e270a3baffb05.07568349.jpg[/img]
Hydro clutch doesn't look like a stock unit... Hole for the clutch arm is still there on the case



GODZILLA wrote:
Whadya think is in the black box above the clutch receptor?
ECU? Battery?
I would guess a battery judging by the size
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Re: the buttons etc, they are not catering for the masses with a factory mxgp bike. A long as the two guys who have to ride them are comfortable then they are golden.
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