Bernard Kerr: World Cup DH racer wants to race SX

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Vital: Keefer is such a badass. He'll probably even score points at Hangtown!

Also Vital: This guy has no business at A1
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BroFoSho wrote:
Vital: Keefer is such a badass. He'll probably even score points at Hangtown!

Also Vital: This guy has no business at A1
Keefer is a former professional who used to race SX every weekend, and still makes a living riding a dirt bike every day.
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What’s the haters hating?
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BroFoSho wrote:
Vital: Keefer is such a badass. He'll probably even score points at Hangtown!

Also Vital: This guy has no business at A1
visser62 wrote:
Keefer is a former professional who used to race SX every weekend, and still makes a living riding a dirt bike every day.
Haters: How is non racer getting a pro license for biggest race of year without ever racing?

Hater haters: you’re just jealous haters.

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BroFoSho wrote:
Vital: Keefer is such a badass. He'll probably even score points at Hangtown!

Also Vital: This guy has no business at A1
visser62 wrote:
Keefer is a former professional who used to race SX every weekend, and still makes a living riding a dirt bike every day.
I thought that Keefer never raced at the National level.

He is credited with 1 125SX West race, back in 2004 though, so he at least had SOME experience. SX every weekend? Maybe locally.......

But that's still a huge amount more MX/SX race starts than what we are talking about here.....
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BroFoSho wrote:
Vital: Keefer is such a badass. He'll probably even score points at Hangtown!

Also Vital: This guy has no business at A1
visser62 wrote:
Keefer is a former professional who used to race SX every weekend, and still makes a living riding a dirt bike every day.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I thought that Keefer never raced at the National level. He is credited with 1 125SX West race, back in 2004 though, so he at least...
I thought that Keefer never raced at the National level.

He is credited with 1 125SX West race, back in 2004 though, so he at least had SOME experience. SX every weekend? Maybe locally.......

But that's still a huge amount more MX/SX race starts than what we are talking about here.....
Keefer raced Supercross in 2004 and 2005 and made 1 main event.

He also raced for the factory KTM team up in Canada for a couple of years

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2005, Aldo KTM Team.

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mb60 1/2/2020 11:46am
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No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
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motoxxx599 1/2/2020 11:51am
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No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
He runs circles around Ronnie Ford
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mattyhamz2 1/2/2020 11:54am
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
How is it no different? Both of those two people raced their entire lives. I watched Vicki when she raced novice and finished dead last about 14 years ago. Ronnie is another guy that raced for many years.

Bernard has literally never raced before and until a few weeks ago had never even practiced a freakin' start. Please, tell me again how it is no different...
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Simply put

Ronnie Ford played the system, had a pro liscense when there were no rules reallly to obtain one. Claim you are a pro, pay the fee and boom, liscense. He kept it current by paying for years on end.

Vicki Golden. Went through road to SX arena cross I believe.

Big difference with Kerr and I believe its where folks are being called haters on here is the fact that he is using a loophole, in language alone, to attempt to get a pro liscense on wanting to. Problem is there are kids that want to just as bad but are forced to follow the rules to get in.

I know several dudes that are professionals at something other than mx and given the time to practice sx, work with McGrath. And be on solid equipment they would blow this dudes doors off but they aren’t given the chance and, big AND, would be forced to follow the rules to get in.

Its a sticky situation that they are playing with as past precendece could come back to haunt them if they let him in.

However, if he somehow makes it, I’ll be watching and if that was the plan all along. Well played Kawasaki!!!
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So will he be at A1 or A2-3?
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
Vicki went through sx futures and arenacross , Ronnie should have had his licnece pulled. But that wrong does not mean we should just hand out pro licences to anyone that has the same sponsors as mx guys ,

Can you just show up to a uci down hill with out ever racing any other mountain bike race
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FWIW, I still don't see his name on the registered rider list. Maybe he didn't get in after all?

Those hating, I get it. At the same time Kerr is one of the most talented guys to throw a leg over two wheels on the non-motorized side (ever). Its interesting if nothing else. It also will only go to show how good you moto guys are at all things two wheels being we know what happens when a nobody on the moto side moves over (gwin). Mountain biker going moto? It won't be the same...at all.
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stiksandstones 1/2/2020 2:45pm
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FWIW, I still don't see his name on the registered rider list. Maybe he didn't get in after all? Those hating, I get it. At the...
FWIW, I still don't see his name on the registered rider list. Maybe he didn't get in after all?

Those hating, I get it. At the same time Kerr is one of the most talented guys to throw a leg over two wheels on the non-motorized side (ever). Its interesting if nothing else. It also will only go to show how good you moto guys are at all things two wheels being we know what happens when a nobody on the moto side moves over (gwin). Mountain biker going moto? It won't be the same...at all.
I've seen a lot more MTB DH guys go pretty damn well at moto, and never....ever seen any top moto guys ride MTB DH well, most look silly actually, something to be said for a throttle.
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I’d be interested to hear John Tomacs take on this
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aFACEdismembered 1/2/2020 3:18pm
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
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How is it no different? Both of those two people raced their entire lives. I watched Vicki when she raced novice and finished dead last about...
How is it no different? Both of those two people raced their entire lives. I watched Vicki when she raced novice and finished dead last about 14 years ago. Ronnie is another guy that raced for many years.

Bernard has literally never raced before and until a few weeks ago had never even practiced a freakin' start. Please, tell me again how it is no different...
I'd say, for now, it's no different because skill vs. time spent honing a craft are not the same thing and not an indicator of success.

If he does better than both of them ever did what does that say about them both spending a lifetime honing their craft in this sport only to be outdone by a guy who made a bet with some friends and figured it out in a couple of months?

Time spent riding does not equate to success. Some have it. Some don't. Even Reed says if he feels like his kids don't have it he won't let them spend a lifetime chasing a dream that will just end up crushing them.

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aFACEdismembered wrote:
I'd say, for now, it's no different because skill vs. time spent honing a craft are not the same thing and not an indicator of success...
I'd say, for now, it's no different because skill vs. time spent honing a craft are not the same thing and not an indicator of success.

If he does better than both of them ever did what does that say about them both spending a lifetime honing their craft in this sport only to be outdone by a guy who made a bet with some friends and figured it out in a couple of months?

Time spent riding does not equate to success. Some have it. Some don't. Even Reed says if he feels like his kids don't have it he won't let them spend a lifetime chasing a dream that will just end up crushing them.

I agree with this, but riding speed and racing experience are two completely different things. I doubt we will get to see him race, so that’s insignificant.
Jeff_Crutcher 1/2/2020 3:30pm
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The bike he was riding in his latest Instagram video is number 401. So either he’s got a number now or he’s borrowing Eric McCrummen’s equipment.

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The bike he was riding in his latest Instagram video is number 401. So either he’s got a number now or he’s borrowing Eric McCrummen’s equipment.
The bike he was riding in his latest Instagram video is number 401. So either he’s got a number now or he’s borrowing Eric McCrummen’s equipment.
If I remember correctly, 401 is the number on the bib in the van so I think he’s used it on his mt bike. Numbers are a pretty quick change

I still haven’t seen anything where he’s got a license yet. I’m pretty convinced that there’ll be footage from the stadium of calls allegedly trying to get it sorted right up until the last minute.
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stiksandstones 1/2/2020 4:10pm
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
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Vicki went through sx futures and arenacross , Ronnie should have had his licnece pulled. But that wrong does not mean we should just hand out...
Vicki went through sx futures and arenacross , Ronnie should have had his licnece pulled. But that wrong does not mean we should just hand out pro licences to anyone that has the same sponsors as mx guys ,

Can you just show up to a uci down hill with out ever racing any other mountain bike race
No, you can't. Not even close, its actually a f-ing nightmare to race a Elite world cup, you have to have UCI points, which are not easy to come by....and even if you get into a qualifier, making the sunday live show is next to impossible for anyone not doing this full time, 100 percent.
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
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How is it no different? Both of those two people raced their entire lives. I watched Vicki when she raced novice and finished dead last about...
How is it no different? Both of those two people raced their entire lives. I watched Vicki when she raced novice and finished dead last about 14 years ago. Ronnie is another guy that raced for many years.

Bernard has literally never raced before and until a few weeks ago had never even practiced a freakin' start. Please, tell me again how it is no different...
It's no different to me as all 3 have no business in a professional sx race. Watch practice and tell me that all belong in the practice sessions. From the videos I have seen he looks just as good as both of them as well. The road to supercross is not a good judge of talent level in my opinion.
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mb60 wrote:
No different then Ronnie Ford or Vicki Golden trying to qualify. As long he is not hazard to himself or other riders good luck.
scott_nz wrote:
Vicki went through sx futures and arenacross , Ronnie should have had his licnece pulled. But that wrong does not mean we should just hand out...
Vicki went through sx futures and arenacross , Ronnie should have had his licnece pulled. But that wrong does not mean we should just hand out pro licences to anyone that has the same sponsors as mx guys ,

Can you just show up to a uci down hill with out ever racing any other mountain bike race
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No, you can't. Not even close, its actually a f-ing nightmare to race a Elite world cup, you have to have UCI points, which are not...
No, you can't. Not even close, its actually a f-ing nightmare to race a Elite world cup, you have to have UCI points, which are not easy to come by....and even if you get into a qualifier, making the sunday live show is next to impossible for anyone not doing this full time, 100 percent.
if you could get your hands on a jersey from your country federation it could, but it would help to be from a country with week racers, as country's with strong national series have a lot of good riders riden for them when they don't have enough points.
but even then you would have to qualify, and that sure isn't easy, even worst since they reduced the number of people that qualify.
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If I remember correctly, 401 is the number on the bib in the van so I think he’s used it on his mt bike. Numbers are...
If I remember correctly, 401 is the number on the bib in the van so I think he’s used it on his mt bike. Numbers are a pretty quick change

I still haven’t seen anything where he’s got a license yet. I’m pretty convinced that there’ll be footage from the stadium of calls allegedly trying to get it sorted right up until the last minute.
"I’m pretty convinced that there’ll be footage from the stadium of calls allegedly trying to get it sorted right up until the last minute."

Yup. And the spin will be " . . . we tried real hard and gave it everything but in the end, FELD sucks and went back on their word . . . "
All the while, the Instagram analytics will be melting and they will have numbers to show sponsors.
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FWYT wrote:
"I’m pretty convinced that there’ll be footage from the stadium of calls allegedly trying to get it sorted right up until the last minute." Yup. And...
"I’m pretty convinced that there’ll be footage from the stadium of calls allegedly trying to get it sorted right up until the last minute."

Yup. And the spin will be " . . . we tried real hard and gave it everything but in the end, FELD sucks and went back on their word . . . "
All the while, the Instagram analytics will be melting and they will have numbers to show sponsors.
I could be wrong, but based on his interviews and videos, I don't think he'll blame Feld. I think he'll try to drama it up for good entertainment, but I think he'll ultimately say that he should have planned on the licensing thing long before he did because it wasn't as easy as he thought.

He seems like he'll take responsibility, but I'm basing that only on the things I've seen and heard in the last month on the videos/interviews. I don't think that he's a bad guy by any means, but the notion of riding for a few weeks and then entering your first SX/MX race at A1 is just silly.

I don't think that's wise, just like it isn't wise for Luongo to fill up the gates at the "fly away" GPs with locals who look like they are standing still during the races,,,,,,,
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BroFoSho 1/2/2020 4:47pm
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He is not breaking a single rule. He is just exploiting a loophole in the system. What's wrong with that?

Maybe the AMA should fix their rule book so it doesn't allow this sort of thing.

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scott_nz 1/2/2020 5:16pm
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He is not breaking a single rule. He is just exploiting a loophole in the system. What's wrong with that? Maybe the AMA should fix their...
He is not breaking a single rule. He is just exploiting a loophole in the system. What's wrong with that?

Maybe the AMA should fix their rule book so it doesn't allow this sort of thing.

He’s not signed up yet , so he’s exploited nothing , It seems he was expecting the acu just to give him an fim licence or ride permission. and I doubt they hand those out to world championship events for riders that have never competed in the national series ,
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I could be wrong, but based on his interviews and videos, I don't think he'll blame Feld. I think he'll try to drama it up for...
I could be wrong, but based on his interviews and videos, I don't think he'll blame Feld. I think he'll try to drama it up for good entertainment, but I think he'll ultimately say that he should have planned on the licensing thing long before he did because it wasn't as easy as he thought.

He seems like he'll take responsibility, but I'm basing that only on the things I've seen and heard in the last month on the videos/interviews. I don't think that he's a bad guy by any means, but the notion of riding for a few weeks and then entering your first SX/MX race at A1 is just silly.

I don't think that's wise, just like it isn't wise for Luongo to fill up the gates at the "fly away" GPs with locals who look like they are standing still during the races,,,,,,,
Yeah, you're probably right.
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I will start off saying I’m not bothered by Kerr having a crack at this, I do fully understand why there would be plenty of people pissed off if they have fast kids and or, mates that are bound by he SX futures program that there is no getting around by the sounds. Or is there?

Going off what I can sort of work out, if these super fast Amateurs entered a Pro SX race in Canada, or one of the off season SX races as a Pro, would that be their loop hole? And yes I totally understand the cost of such an exercise but I’m purely just asking the question?

Anyway, rules are rules so I hope he gets out there in C practice and has a good safe ride.
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Home of the Brave..
Land of the free...

Isn't he just chasing THE AMERICAN DREAM?

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Skimming whoops....tripling rutted faces.... double onto a table, step off, triple out.

Vital....Wahh, he has no business being on a SX track. He never raced amateurs!

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It's one thing to do the obstacles at a practice track while in your comfort zone and something entirely different when you have other riders going...
It's one thing to do the obstacles at a practice track while in your comfort zone and something entirely different when you have other riders going through the same sections as you at race speed and inches away from you.

Race experience counts for something.
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You are correct. It counts for something. However, that something is different depending the situation. Timed practice? Not so much. Back of the pack heat race...
You are correct. It counts for something. However, that something is different depending the situation. Timed practice? Not so much. Back of the pack heat race? Not so much. It's not like he is showing up having never been on the track with other riders.

I think we are forgetting that our comfort zone/adaptability/instincts and a world class athlete's are much much different.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather be wrong supporting someone then be wrong dragging them down, especially on pure speculation.

He is 110% qualifying speed and ability. I've first hand witnessed much slower and less skilled riders qualify in the top 40 at many supercross events.
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