Suzuki drop yoshimura in moto America road racing

dirtwalker 12/14/2019 2:20pm
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ML512 wrote:
I really hate this...the Yoshimura team itself found out about it from the PR...
ML512 wrote:
Why the downvotes, dudes just lost their jobs...
lostboy819 wrote:
We are down voting because we don't like how the team found out about it. I don't agree with how they handled it so I down...
We are down voting because we don't like how the team found out about it. I don't agree with how they handled it so I down voted it. Damn Fabio, grow some balls . Why are people up voting it ? people lost their jobs.
So do i downvote your post to agree or disagree. What is up voting and down voting after all?
More Seriously, its the rough and tumble of business, but you would like to see things handled with more respect.
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slipdog 12/14/2019 3:43pm
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I vote to remove the up/downvote button but I couldn't care less if you downvote my comments... or could I???
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ML512 12/14/2019 3:46pm
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I vote to remove the up/downvote button but I couldn't care less if you downvote my comments... or could I???
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Bruce372 12/14/2019 4:43pm
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Business decisions can be tough. Having said that, if they gave no heads up, then that is B.S. At the end of the day, this just...
Business decisions can be tough. Having said that, if they gave no heads up, then that is B.S.

At the end of the day, this just suck’s all the way around. Suzuki continues to further blacken it’s eye.
Gave no heads up? Welcome to corporate America.

First couple of times it's a shock, but after a while you learn to read the signs and see it coming. But not once have I or anyone I know been given a heads up
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OneWordResponseGuy 12/14/2019 4:52pm
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Typical of a brand that makes sub par products.
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Typical response from a sub par troll
Oh, look it's the C class Suzuki fan boy. Lets wait for Average Joe to chime in too. It's funny cause the first thing i thought of when i read this post was how mad you were gonna get. Sucks you made horrible purchases. Good luck on the resale, bud!
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motoarmageddon 12/14/2019 5:54pm
12/14/2019 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 12/14/2019 6:02pm
I have heard that the Yoshimura engines werent performing like they wanted. The US Yoshimura and the Japanese Yoshimura are not even selling the same exhausts. The Japanese looks way tricker. We get the wackass Alpha T and the rest of the world has the beautiful R11 exhaust. This should be a wake up call to the US Yoshimura group; you arent just going to get all of Suzuki’s race business just because you bought the Yoshimura name.
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Big E 12/15/2019 10:46am
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ML512 wrote:
I really hate this...the Yoshimura team itself found out about it from the PR...
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There was a lot that went into this and I can tell you that they didnt all find out by press release and many factors played...
There was a lot that went into this and I can tell you that they didnt all find out by press release and many factors played into this decision. There is a lot history shared between these companies and to suggest anything but a good business decision was made is wrong. Yoshimura will still be part Suzuki one way or another. Our famalies go back almost 100 years....
Thats news to us at Yoshimura
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Big E 12/15/2019 10:52am
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motoarmageddon wrote:
I have heard that the Yoshimura engines werent performing like they wanted. The US Yoshimura and the Japanese Yoshimura are not even selling the same exhausts...
I have heard that the Yoshimura engines werent performing like they wanted. The US Yoshimura and the Japanese Yoshimura are not even selling the same exhausts. The Japanese looks way tricker. We get the wackass Alpha T and the rest of the world has the beautiful R11 exhaust. This should be a wake up call to the US Yoshimura group; you arent just going to get all of Suzuki’s race business just because you bought the Yoshimura name.
Haters gunna hate....
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TeamGreen 12/15/2019 11:39am
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motoarmageddon wrote:
I have heard that the Yoshimura engines werent performing like they wanted. The US Yoshimura and the Japanese Yoshimura are not even selling the same exhausts...
I have heard that the Yoshimura engines werent performing like they wanted. The US Yoshimura and the Japanese Yoshimura are not even selling the same exhausts. The Japanese looks way tricker. We get the wackass Alpha T and the rest of the world has the beautiful R11 exhaust. This should be a wake up call to the US Yoshimura group; you arent just going to get all of Suzuki’s race business just because you bought the Yoshimura name.
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Haters gunna hate....
Yo, E, don't go telling him what family owns and operates both companies...

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TeamGreen 12/15/2019 11:44am
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I'm gonna throw this out there.

From having a pretty good idea of where both companies are and what budgets are like these days...

This was a decision that's saving Suzuki money. That means (& I'm guessing here) that Yosh needed more money to keep the trucks on the road, the poeple in the race shop and all the rest of it...more money than Suzuki wanted to pay; so, budgetary decisions were made. Someone-else got the gig.
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Lucifa. 12/15/2019 1:31pm
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OneWordResponseGuy wrote:
Typical of a brand that makes sub par products.
malachi177 wrote:
Typical response from a sub par troll
He's not a troll. Check out his posting history. The guy is an idiot.

No offense OneWordResponseGuy.
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BikeGuy321 12/15/2019 10:16pm
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There's way fewer sportbikes being sold nowdays versus 10 years ago. No average joe wants to spend $15-20k on a replica racer. Shoot, even when they were $10k people weren't anywhere near the bikes' limits. Standard bikes and adventure bikes have some serious horsepower nowdays, and they don't force your back into a pretzel shape.
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zippytech 12/16/2019 5:05am
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I thought there was talks about Moto America folding. I love road racing and have raid raced a good bit. but the races dried up , factories left, It's not really been able to make any sort of come back.
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lostboy819 12/16/2019 5:22am
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I thought there was talks about Moto America folding. I love road racing and have raid raced a good bit. but the races dried up...
I thought there was talks about Moto America folding. I love road racing and have raid raced a good bit. but the races dried up , factories left, It's not really been able to make any sort of come back.
I agree its gotten really bad, I remember everyone looking forward to the Daytona 200 being live on network TV and them having to start in two waves with so many riders and seeing Scott Russel fall and break off a foot peg and still come through the pack and win. People who think MX is drying up need to look at road racing as its almost non existent .
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Bruce372 12/16/2019 5:23am
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Ite amazing how in the doldrums moto America is, British superbikes is one of the best race series in the world. I thought there would he a good market in USA
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Falcon 12/16/2019 7:12am
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In the long run they won't be going down with the ship. Don't they share the building with American Suzuki?
No.
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Falcon 12/16/2019 7:17am
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For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened to the MotoAmerica team, but I would be willing to bet this is not the last we have seen of the Suzuki/Yosh partnership. Maybe Big E can fill us in when it is OK to talk about it.
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SethGator 12/16/2019 8:19am
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According to his Instagram josh has no plans moving forward. Yosh commented that maybe the two of them should get together and do something. I believe...
According to his Instagram josh has no plans moving forward. Yosh commented that maybe the two of them should get together and do something. I believe Toni has a contract with suzuki so he may be getting the superbike ride with team hammer, I just hope they keep Jake Lewis around. He lost his yosh seat to Toni when he got injured and John and Chris stepped up and made space for him at team hammer and he’s been there ever since. I really hope that continues.
Id look for the new team to be Jake Lewis and as a surprise Sean Dylan Kelly moving up from supersport. That's the new trend, find a fast young 600 rider and move them up early and hope they just adapt naturally. Its worked for the likes of Bradley Ray (BsCool Toprak Razgatlıoğlu (WSBK) Fabio Quartararo (MotoGP) etc.
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buzz06 12/16/2019 12:27pm
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Id look for the new team to be Jake Lewis and as a surprise Sean Dylan Kelly moving up from supersport. That's the new trend, find...
Id look for the new team to be Jake Lewis and as a surprise Sean Dylan Kelly moving up from supersport. That's the new trend, find a fast young 600 rider and move them up early and hope they just adapt naturally. Its worked for the likes of Bradley Ray (BsCool Toprak Razgatlıoğlu (WSBK) Fabio Quartararo (MotoGP) etc.
Toprak is definitely a talented rider, not thrilled with how Kawasaki treated him during the 8hrs but there is plenty of speculation regarding that. Nobody saw Fabio hitting the ground running like he did on a GP bike, it was assumed he would be atleast a season just to come to terms with it. Let alone challenging Marquez all the while never making a single change to the setup.

Sean is fast but John and Chris aren’t ones to follow trends, they have groomed to many riders the right way to take a chance like that. I think team hammer would be better served moving fong to the superbike and Sean to the stock1000 class. Fong was very competitive on his stock1000 zx10 the other year against the superbikes, on a proper superbike I think he has what it takes between the ears to win. Either way I’m not sure where that leaves Lewis, maybe westby has the funding to field another bike and he can go there. To many riders and not enough seats
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SethGator 12/16/2019 1:16pm
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buzz06 wrote:
Toprak is definitely a talented rider, not thrilled with how Kawasaki treated him during the 8hrs but there is plenty of speculation regarding that. Nobody saw...
Toprak is definitely a talented rider, not thrilled with how Kawasaki treated him during the 8hrs but there is plenty of speculation regarding that. Nobody saw Fabio hitting the ground running like he did on a GP bike, it was assumed he would be atleast a season just to come to terms with it. Let alone challenging Marquez all the while never making a single change to the setup.

Sean is fast but John and Chris aren’t ones to follow trends, they have groomed to many riders the right way to take a chance like that. I think team hammer would be better served moving fong to the superbike and Sean to the stock1000 class. Fong was very competitive on his stock1000 zx10 the other year against the superbikes, on a proper superbike I think he has what it takes between the ears to win. Either way I’m not sure where that leaves Lewis, maybe westby has the funding to field another bike and he can go there. To many riders and not enough seats
hopefully Yosh can work a deal with Westby to possibly field a second bike for Herrin. Exhaust supplier already and a well run outfit. Bobby would be a good pick on a proper bike, he showed what he could do on an outdated Duc 848 years ago.
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Last Braaap 12/16/2019 1:54pm
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ML512 wrote:
I really hate this...the Yoshimura team itself found out about it from the PR...
ML512 wrote:
Why the downvotes, dudes just lost their jobs...
Bruce372 wrote:
I just dont get it either.
Just the Vitard traditions. Downvotes galore. Try to ignore that and don't engage direct eye-contact with those who downvote..
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Mx286 12/16/2019 2:19pm
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buzz06 wrote:
According to his Instagram josh has no plans moving forward. Yosh commented that maybe the two of them should get together and do something. I believe...
According to his Instagram josh has no plans moving forward. Yosh commented that maybe the two of them should get together and do something. I believe Toni has a contract with suzuki so he may be getting the superbike ride with team hammer, I just hope they keep Jake Lewis around. He lost his yosh seat to Toni when he got injured and John and Chris stepped up and made space for him at team hammer and he’s been there ever since. I really hope that continues.
SethGator wrote:
Id look for the new team to be Jake Lewis and as a surprise Sean Dylan Kelly moving up from supersport. That's the new trend, find...
Id look for the new team to be Jake Lewis and as a surprise Sean Dylan Kelly moving up from supersport. That's the new trend, find a fast young 600 rider and move them up early and hope they just adapt naturally. Its worked for the likes of Bradley Ray (BsCool Toprak Razgatlıoğlu (WSBK) Fabio Quartararo (MotoGP) etc.
Jake won’t be riding for the team. Really bummed for him. It’s going to be Tony and Josh.
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Big E 12/16/2019 8:44pm
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For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened...
For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened to the MotoAmerica team, but I would be willing to bet this is not the last we have seen of the Suzuki/Yosh partnership. Maybe Big E can fill us in when it is OK to talk about it.
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan.

The team is done. The crew are going their separate ways. Not sure what is going to happen with the race shop, there are a few ideas but nothing in stone yet.
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mxb2 12/16/2019 9:17pm
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Falcon wrote:
For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened...
For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened to the MotoAmerica team, but I would be willing to bet this is not the last we have seen of the Suzuki/Yosh partnership. Maybe Big E can fill us in when it is OK to talk about it.
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It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan...
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan.

The team is done. The crew are going their separate ways. Not sure what is going to happen with the race shop, there are a few ideas but nothing in stone yet.
Will.the production of mx exhausts stop ?,. The new rmz exhaust?
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Big E 12/16/2019 9:59pm
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Falcon wrote:
For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened...
For what it's worth, it was my understanding that Suzuki and Yoshimura had a long-term contractual agreement. (As in, "LONG-LONG-term.") I have no idea what happened to the MotoAmerica team, but I would be willing to bet this is not the last we have seen of the Suzuki/Yosh partnership. Maybe Big E can fill us in when it is OK to talk about it.
Big E wrote:
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan...
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan.

The team is done. The crew are going their separate ways. Not sure what is going to happen with the race shop, there are a few ideas but nothing in stone yet.
mxb2 wrote:
Will.the production of mx exhausts stop ?,. The new rmz exhaust?
Yes, As there are lots of fans of the cool lever by the right foot.
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mxb2 12/16/2019 10:01pm
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Big E wrote:
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan...
It was along term relationship ... 41 years. As mush as I know Yoshimura R&D (USA) is out. Yoshimura Japan will still work with Suzuki Japan.

The team is done. The crew are going their separate ways. Not sure what is going to happen with the race shop, there are a few ideas but nothing in stone yet.
mxb2 wrote:
Will.the production of mx exhausts stop ?,. The new rmz exhaust?
Big E wrote:
Yes, As there are lots of fans of the cool lever by the right foot.
Dam, i was excited to see the new exhaust on local bikes.

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