Against the law for Eli to pay JS17?

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chump6784 10/25/2019 12:06am
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TDeath21 wrote:
He wasn’t going to make the pass without a Savatgy slip up. Tomac was about a second to a second and a half faster but Joey...
He wasn’t going to make the pass without a Savatgy slip up. Tomac was about a second to a second and a half faster but Joey started that final lap 2+ seconds up. He’d have made it close but Savatgy had it.
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JS17 was way more then 2 seconds ahead of Osborne when they started the last lap for the championship in Vegas that year and Osborne still...
JS17 was way more then 2 seconds ahead of Osborne when they started the last lap for the championship in Vegas that year and Osborne still had time to blow him up, so I am sure ET would have run him down with time to spare. Cool
I was thinking the same thing. Joey's ptsd was kicking in when he saw Tomac closing in and didn't want to get cleaned out again
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tttrailhunter 10/25/2019 12:43am
10/25/2019 12:43am
haydos25 wrote:
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes. Whether it was discussed prior...
In Australia we have a name for people like Eli. He's a shit bloke. We all strive to be good blokes.

Whether it was discussed prior or not i think he should've atleast slung him 10-20k. The only thing that's certain is that Joey made it a hell of a lot easier for him then he could've. A lot of good will could've gone his way for very little effort on his part.
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give me a break, australians are often the most selfish, fck you jack im alright people in the world.

haydos25 wrote:
Are we? Ok cool. i stand corrected Eli was right to stiff the bloke that helped him earn an extra 900k. Especially after he agreed to...
Are we?

Ok cool. i stand corrected Eli was right to stiff the bloke that helped him earn an extra 900k. Especially after he agreed to give him something, then halfway through the year bailed on the idea.

yes we are,
ive lived os around people with far less and theyve done things for me that no australians with far far more would ever do.


not sure how you know all that as a fact, when there is NO WAY they could have predicted js would be leading et, nearing the end of the race.

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Dust601 10/25/2019 2:13am
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Cracks me up how so many people talk, and act so noble when it’s someone else’s money.

“Oh he definitely should of thrown him some cash for doing that. I would have!”

That’s such a easy thing to say when you know you’ll never have to be in that situation.

Don’t get me wrong. If that was me I’d like to think I’d of thrown him something. At the same time I can see if Eli didn’t ask him to do that (and there’s 0 evidence that any did tell him to) why he wouldn’t want to, and I can’t blame him for that either. whether he had any chance, or not. I imagine in his mind he felt like he had it, and Joey made him look bad by doing that. So in that sense I could definitely see why he’d be against giving any cash.
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drifto614 10/25/2019 3:07am
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Someone want to explain to me how 2 riders can "fix" the outcome of a race that has 20 other riders? There is no way anyone could sue Joey or Eli if Eli would have given Joey the money. Not only that, but it cost Joey about $30k in overall purse money by dropping back and letting that pass happen. And to add to that, Eli didn't even thank Joey for letting him by so he could win. Joey let the pass happen outside of the stadium because he didn't think it would be as obvious. Eli's parents came up to Joey after the raced and thanked him. Joey thought it was the right thing to do because he was new to the team and didn't want to cause bad blood right out of the gate. Bottom line, he made two people millionaires that night and neither of them were Joey Savatgy. So that ends the debate and this thread.....Next!!!!
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oldnwise 10/25/2019 3:18am
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If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event...
If there was Legal Betting on the MEC, run under that States' rules, you can bet your arse that anything that could be construed as 'event fixing', would bring hell down on those involved. Woohoo Whistling
There is legal betting. I bet every year on supercross and mec
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mxb2 10/25/2019 6:06am
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Dust601 wrote:
Cracks me up how so many people talk, and act so noble when it’s someone else’s money. “Oh he definitely should of thrown him some cash...
Cracks me up how so many people talk, and act so noble when it’s someone else’s money.

“Oh he definitely should of thrown him some cash for doing that. I would have!”

That’s such a easy thing to say when you know you’ll never have to be in that situation.

Don’t get me wrong. If that was me I’d like to think I’d of thrown him something. At the same time I can see if Eli didn’t ask him to do that (and there’s 0 evidence that any did tell him to) why he wouldn’t want to, and I can’t blame him for that either. whether he had any chance, or not. I imagine in his mind he felt like he had it, and Joey made him look bad by doing that. So in that sense I could definitely see why he’d be against giving any cash.
Yep, easy to tell someone else how to spend their money. Like you said, knowing that situation will never happen.
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Jeff_Crutcher 10/25/2019 6:19am
10/25/2019 6:19am
Why is this still being talked about?
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Eli has flimsy integrity at best. Just because they can ride a dirt bike fast doesn’t mean they’re great people.
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Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
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Jt$ 10/25/2019 6:41am
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Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
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AZRider 10/25/2019 6:49am
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So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
JT, I think this thread just shows us a lot about the different ways people treat each other. For others in this thread to say I don't know what it's like is BS. I got a large bonus 3 years ago because of my performance and position at my employer. The people on my team were not eligible for bonuses, but I gave them a chunk of my bonus that I paid taxes out of. I certainly could have justified not doing it a hundred different ways, but it's about helping as many people as possible when you can. Why? Because without them, I would have never gotten the bonus in the first place. Its just respect and courtesy, much of our society doesn't have it.
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slumpstone 10/25/2019 6:55am
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Yeah he never slowed down lol
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disbanded wrote:
Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
I'm a little surprised Eli didn't at least thank him, but as one person said before Eli never asked Joey to move over. He may have been more mad that Joey did move over. Eli was charging regardless of how Joey rode. Whether he would have caught him or not is up for debate....at least he got a thanks from Eli's parents.

Someone mentioned a 2 second gap going into the last lap, but that doesn't look to be correct, it was 1.108. Additionally, looking at laps 8 and 9 Eli took 1.1 seconds off of Joey's lead. I think Joey made mention that he slowed down a little bit the last few laps, but looking at his lap times it doesn't really look like it, maybe that is his belief in hindsight as a result of what happened, but his best lap was on lap 4 and it was the only lap where he went sub 1:06. Eli went 1:04.963 on lap 9.

I still say Eli gets him, pullover or not. I also don't believe Joey really slowed down the previous laps, I think if anything he believes that now after all the events transpired.

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Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
What Joey did was a fucking embarrassment to the sport!
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Jt$ 10/25/2019 7:14am
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I love bench racing but this thread is brutal. Absolutely brutal.
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Jt$ 10/25/2019 7:15am
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What Joey did was a fucking embarrassment to the sport!
I am sure all involved are embarrassed. You should write them a strongly worded email.
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MotoLifeFantasy 10/25/2019 7:22am
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slumpstone wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381262/s1200_645B9C84_A334_421A_9473_568A54F70B29.jpg[/img] Yeah he never slowed down lol


Yeah he never slowed down lol
Yeah the times don't lie. Eli was going to catch him. Joey let him by which made things easier but it wasn't 100% a selfless act like Joey makes its sound.
If it was me I'd still pay the guy but Eli can do whatever he wants and I'm not gonna judge him for it.
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I am sure all involved are embarrassed. You should write them a strongly worded email.
Yeah, let me get right on that...

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seth505 10/25/2019 7:27am
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There is no reasoning here.

Eli super fans: KTM and Marvin are pussies for letting a teammate by, how could they tarnish the sport!!

Also Eli superfans: No way the teammate of Eli could/should ever help him, Eli would have passed him no matter what!
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tttrailhunter 10/25/2019 7:29am
10/25/2019 7:29am Edited Date/Time 10/25/2019 7:30am
why isnt savatgy pointing the finger at the fan who won the other mill, shirly he owes him money and an asskiss?
what about monster/feld, why arent they helping savatgy for all the free publicity?
why isnt the guy who came rhird buying savargy a case of beer for slowing down and making him look better by being closer at the finish ?

savatgys been robbed i tell you, robbed.Blink
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Thisusernameisavailable 10/25/2019 7:30am
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There HAS to have been some discussion back at the truck about "WHAT IF in the third moto.."
There just has to have been. If there wasn't, then more fool them. "If everyone does everything right, we ALL get rich.."

So IF there had been this discussion, Joey is out front leading with that discussion in mind, looking back for Eli, whatever the lap times say, we would have to think that Joey was riding at 90% the whole race?, knowing the inevitable outcome?

Why would he ride at 100% for 'x' laps only to back it down and let Eli past, when he could ride at 90% the entire race and still get 2nd?

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tingo 10/25/2019 8:10am
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slumpstone wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381262/s1200_645B9C84_A334_421A_9473_568A54F70B29.jpg[/img] Yeah he never slowed down lol


Yeah he never slowed down lol
Did he though? Laps 7, 8, and 9 are pretty similar for Joey, with 9 being the fastest of the bunch. Lap 10 is when he took the joker lane. Joey's joker lane time in the last race (1:14.276) was faster than the first race (1:14.637), but slower than the second (1:12.895). Point being, it's hard to conclude that he slowed down.

Meanwhile, in the second half of race 3 (once he cleared most of the traffic), Tomac simply ran Joey down. The lap times are right there. Would he have caught (yes) and passed Joey (maybe)? Again, it's hard to say for sure, but Joey choosing to pull over is the only reason this "what if" exists at all. No matter how much he ragrets or complains about it now, it was his decision and his alone.
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DonM 10/25/2019 8:22am
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Did he though? Laps 7, 8, and 9 are pretty similar for Joey, with 9 being the fastest of the bunch. Lap 10 is when he...
Did he though? Laps 7, 8, and 9 are pretty similar for Joey, with 9 being the fastest of the bunch. Lap 10 is when he took the joker lane. Joey's joker lane time in the last race (1:14.276) was faster than the first race (1:14.637), but slower than the second (1:12.895). Point being, it's hard to conclude that he slowed down.

Meanwhile, in the second half of race 3 (once he cleared most of the traffic), Tomac simply ran Joey down. The lap times are right there. Would he have caught (yes) and passed Joey (maybe)? Again, it's hard to say for sure, but Joey choosing to pull over is the only reason this "what if" exists at all. No matter how much he ragrets or complains about it now, it was his decision and his alone.
Did you miss the broadcast?? Pulling over and pointing to Eli where to go...I guess he did that at full speed
I really like Eli although he is wrong in this situation and only made it worse by commenting on it by saying it was against the law...that was just dumb.
Although I like Eli his fans are a bit over the top most of the time
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tingo 10/25/2019 8:33am
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Did you miss the broadcast?? Pulling over and pointing to Eli where to go...I guess he did that at full speed I really like Eli although...
Did you miss the broadcast?? Pulling over and pointing to Eli where to go...I guess he did that at full speed
I really like Eli although he is wrong in this situation and only made it worse by commenting on it by saying it was against the law...that was just dumb.
Although I like Eli his fans are a bit over the top most of the time
Yes, I watched, and am obviously not talking about the pass itself. Tomac was shaving over a second per lap to get on Joey's wheel, at which point Joey chose to point him by. Saying Joey slowed down (on either that last lap or the ones before it) to let Eli catch him is what isn't necessarily supported by the lap times.
Langston_fan 10/25/2019 9:04am
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Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was one lined...followed by the tight s section, again one lined, and then the long straight with the launch into the sand section into the final turn. Eli passing in the remaining portion of the track would’ve been very difficult. He basically would’ve had to bomb Joey up the inside, or go around the outside of Joey in the final corner (more likely). But he didn’t cause Joey pulled over. High five, thanks mate 😉
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Matthes 10/25/2019 9:48am
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There's so much stupid in this thread it's incredible.
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There's so much stupid in this thread it's incredible.
Well, this is Vital MX Laughing
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It was against the "law" to rig the finish of a race like that as well ...
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gt80rider 10/25/2019 10:18am
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Jt$ wrote:
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a...
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a tuition investment account for his newborn baby. There are literally a thousand ways that this could have been made right. The legal claim, while it may be technically applicable, is still completely laughable to me. What's right will always be right.
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money is bet in their state.....

For Eli to mysteriously drop off 25k n a suitcase (if you have ever done such a thing, an envelope will more than suffice) could be used as proof in court to collusion.... I highly doubt ET would adapt well to prison life....

Let's say you had bet 20k against Eli for the win.... Let's say you bet the entire rest of the field to beat him at mec (like I did against rc years ago, but that lil fucker still won!) ... you would be pretty pissed seeing Joey pull up at the end, not racing anymore, but fixing the outcome against you....
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